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part of what happened with Temple yesterday was their opponents went only 4-7. So that's going to impact them some...
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Let's see what the vaunted NET does in the tournament.

It rewards teams that may not have the winning record of other teams but better efficiency. What happens if the team rated below them happens to be efficient during a tournament game against them. My problem with NET is that it rewards efficiency too much. There's an old saying, live by the 3 die by the 3.

Teams that win know how that feels regardless how it looks winning. It reminds of Tim Tebow's Gators. He didn't look pretty but he did know how to win.
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(01-13-2019 08:57 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Let's see what the vaunted NET does in the tournament.

It rewards teams that may not have the winning record of other teams but better efficiency. What happens if the team rated below them happens to be efficient during a tournament game against them. My problem with NET is that it rewards efficiency too much. There's an old saying, live by the 3 die by the 3.

Teams that win know how that feels regardless how it looks winning. It reminds of Tim Tebow's Gators. He didn't look pretty but he did know how to win.

Houston has been winning ugly and NET likes us. Maybe Temple just needs to win more to get some respect.
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(01-13-2019 10:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 08:57 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Let's see what the vaunted NET does in the tournament.

It rewards teams that may not have the winning record of other teams but better efficiency. What happens if the team rated below them happens to be efficient during a tournament game against them. My problem with NET is that it rewards efficiency too much. There's an old saying, live by the 3 die by the 3.

Teams that win know how that feels regardless how it looks winning. It reminds of Tim Tebow's Gators. He didn't look pretty but he did know how to win.

Houston has been winning ugly and NET likes us. Maybe Temple just needs to win more to get some respect.

Not nearly as ugly as Temple. 5 of Temple's last 6 games were decided by 5 points or less, including 3 OTs wins and 1 loss. Of Temple's 13 wins only 4 have seen them win by more then 8 points and those 4 were not against good teams. UGLY!

But that doesn't mean that they don't know how to win close games.
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(01-14-2019 11:00 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 10:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 08:57 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Let's see what the vaunted NET does in the tournament.

It rewards teams that may not have the winning record of other teams but better efficiency. What happens if the team rated below them happens to be efficient during a tournament game against them. My problem with NET is that it rewards efficiency too much. There's an old saying, live by the 3 die by the 3.

Teams that win know how that feels regardless how it looks winning. It reminds of Tim Tebow's Gators. He didn't look pretty but he did know how to win.

Houston has been winning ugly and NET likes us. Maybe Temple just needs to win more to get some respect.

Not nearly as ugly as Temple. 5 of Temple's last 6 games were decided by 5 points or less, including 3 OTs wins and 1 loss. Of Temple's 13 wins only 4 have seen them win by more then 8 points and those 4 were not against good teams. UGLY!

But that doesn't mean that they don't know how to win close games.

To me, it shows mental toughness.
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Updated for games through 1/13/19....
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(01-14-2019 11:00 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 10:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 08:57 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Let's see what the vaunted NET does in the tournament.

It rewards teams that may not have the winning record of other teams but better efficiency. What happens if the team rated below them happens to be efficient during a tournament game against them. My problem with NET is that it rewards efficiency too much. There's an old saying, live by the 3 die by the 3.

Teams that win know how that feels regardless how it looks winning. It reminds of Tim Tebow's Gators. He didn't look pretty but he did know how to win.

Houston has been winning ugly and NET likes us. Maybe Temple just needs to win more to get some respect.

Not nearly as ugly as Temple. 5 of Temple's last 6 games were decided by 5 points or less, including 3 OTs wins and 1 loss. Of Temple's 13 wins only 4 have seen them win by more then 8 points and those 4 were not against good teams. UGLY!

But that doesn't mean that they don't know how to win close games.

And IMO that seems to be a huge hole in the NET. Playing well in a loss seems more valuable than winning close. W/L should be the most important factor not style or “efficiency” which again IMO is variable and subjective. A Win is not subjective. As for the comment above about Temple winning more we are 13-3, which would project to a 25 or 26 win season which in most years would get a team in. The BS NET would keep us out.
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(01-14-2019 11:08 AM)vick mike Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 11:00 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 10:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 08:57 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Let's see what the vaunted NET does in the tournament.

It rewards teams that may not have the winning record of other teams but better efficiency. What happens if the team rated below them happens to be efficient during a tournament game against them. My problem with NET is that it rewards efficiency too much. There's an old saying, live by the 3 die by the 3.

Teams that win know how that feels regardless how it looks winning. It reminds of Tim Tebow's Gators. He didn't look pretty but he did know how to win.

Houston has been winning ugly and NET likes us. Maybe Temple just needs to win more to get some respect.

Not nearly as ugly as Temple. 5 of Temple's last 6 games were decided by 5 points or less, including 3 OTs wins and 1 loss. Of Temple's 13 wins only 4 have seen them win by more then 8 points and those 4 were not against good teams. UGLY!

But that doesn't mean that they don't know how to win close games.

And IMO that seems to be a huge hole in the NET. Playing well in a loss seems more valuable than winning close. W/L should be the most important factor not style or “efficiency” which again IMO is variable and subjective. A Win is not subjective. As for the comment above about Temple winning more we are 13-3, which would project to a 25 or 26 win season which in most years would get a team in. The BS NET would keep us out.

If you end up with 25-26 wins, your NET will be drastically improved by then also.
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(01-14-2019 11:10 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 11:08 AM)vick mike Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 11:00 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 10:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 08:57 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Let's see what the vaunted NET does in the tournament.

It rewards teams that may not have the winning record of other teams but better efficiency. What happens if the team rated below them happens to be efficient during a tournament game against them. My problem with NET is that it rewards efficiency too much. There's an old saying, live by the 3 die by the 3.

Teams that win know how that feels regardless how it looks winning. It reminds of Tim Tebow's Gators. He didn't look pretty but he did know how to win.

Houston has been winning ugly and NET likes us. Maybe Temple just needs to win more to get some respect.

Not nearly as ugly as Temple. 5 of Temple's last 6 games were decided by 5 points or less, including 3 OTs wins and 1 loss. Of Temple's 13 wins only 4 have seen them win by more then 8 points and those 4 were not against good teams. UGLY!

But that doesn't mean that they don't know how to win close games.

And IMO that seems to be a huge hole in the NET. Playing well in a loss seems more valuable than winning close. W/L should be the most important factor not style or “efficiency” which again IMO is variable and subjective. A Win is not subjective. As for the comment above about Temple winning more we are 13-3, which would project to a 25 or 26 win season which in most years would get a team in. The BS NET would keep us out.

If you end up with 25-26 wins, your NET will be drastically improved by then also.

I’d like to think so but have my doubts. Also doubt we get 25 or 26 wins.
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(01-14-2019 11:02 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 11:00 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 10:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 08:57 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Let's see what the vaunted NET does in the tournament.

It rewards teams that may not have the winning record of other teams but better efficiency. What happens if the team rated below them happens to be efficient during a tournament game against them. My problem with NET is that it rewards efficiency too much. There's an old saying, live by the 3 die by the 3.

Teams that win know how that feels regardless how it looks winning. It reminds of Tim Tebow's Gators. He didn't look pretty but he did know how to win.

Houston has been winning ugly and NET likes us. Maybe Temple just needs to win more to get some respect.

Not nearly as ugly as Temple. 5 of Temple's last 6 games were decided by 5 points or less, including 3 OTs wins and 1 loss. Of Temple's 13 wins only 4 have seen them win by more then 8 points and those 4 were not against good teams. UGLY!

But that doesn't mean that they don't know how to win close games.

To me, it shows mental toughness.

There is definitely something to be said for that. Phil beat Tiger for $9 million dollars, even though Tiger is/was clearly playing golf better at the time.

NCST had no business beating Houston for the championship but they did. 'Nova beating Ewing's Georgetown dominant team should never have happened. Butler getting to the championship game in 2010 after beating Murray State by 2 points in the opening round. 11th seed Loyola of Chicago getting to the Final Four. How in the world did Ivy League Penn get to a Final Four in '79?

Just some examples of teams with apparent mental toughness.
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Okie State: 8-8 is ranked 58
Penn State: 7-10 is ranked 78
Texas A&M: 7-7 is ranked 81
Illinois: 4-12 is ranked 125

That's all you need to know about this ranking...Perception 6 bias to the extreme.

ACC: 13/15 in the Top 100
Big East: 9/10 in the Top 100
Big 12: 10/10 in the Top 100
Big 10: 12/14 in the Top 100
Pac 12: 7/12 in the Top 100 (biggest indictment of the system yet IMO)
SEC: 13/14 in the Top 100

For those counting...that's 85% of P6 teams ranked in the Top 100 teams in the country, and that's 65/100 teams in just 6 conferences. Keep in mind there are 353 teams and 32 conferences.
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(01-14-2019 01:18 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Okie State: 8-8 is ranked 58
Penn State: 7-10 is ranked 78
Texas A&M: 7-7 is ranked 81
Illinois: 4-12 is ranked 125

That's all you need to know about this ranking...Perception 6 bias to the extreme.

ACC: 13/15 in the Top 100
Big East: 9/10 in the Top 100
Big 12: 10/10 in the Top 100
Big 10: 12/14 in the Top 100
Pac 12: 7/12 in the Top 100 (biggest indictment of the system yet IMO)
SEC: 13/14 in the Top 100

For those counting...that's 85% of P6 teams ranked in the Top 100 teams in the country, and that's 65/100 teams in just 6 conferences. Keep in mind there are 353 teams and 32 conferences.

It's not like theses teams are scheduling murderers row either ooc. Let's look at some of the teams PSU has played ooc.

North Florida
Jax. State
Wright St.
Bradley
Colgate
Duquesne
UMBC

That's 6 or their 7 wins against lower tier teams. How they beat VT is beyond my comprehension, for their only good win. True they played 4 P6 teams, but so has most/many teams in the nation ooc.

Yes, their conference is good, but Penn State is not good. NET 78 makes one want to look at the formula a little closer. In conference they are 0 and 6 with their losses averaging double digits. That doesn't sound efficient to me.
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(01-14-2019 01:18 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Okie State: 8-8 is ranked 58
Penn State: 7-10 is ranked 78
Texas A&M: 7-7 is ranked 81
Illinois: 4-12 is ranked 125

That's all you need to know about this ranking...Perception 6 bias to the extreme.

ACC: 13/15 in the Top 100
Big East: 9/10 in the Top 100
Big 12: 10/10 in the Top 100
Big 10: 12/14 in the Top 100
Pac 12: 7/12 in the Top 100 (biggest indictment of the system yet IMO)
SEC: 13/14 in the Top 100

For those counting...that's 85% of P6 teams ranked in the Top 100 teams in the country, and that's 65/100 teams in just 6 conferences. Keep in mind there are 353 teams and 32 conferences.

Thank you. The formula is secret because they're using it to boost up the autonomy 5. You're going to tell me Illinois is somehow even in the same weight class as USF?
Fortunatelty we have the teams to spoil their metric. Our top 6 need to go to the post season and win big.
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(01-14-2019 01:18 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Okie State: 8-8 is ranked 58
Penn State: 7-10 is ranked 78
Texas A&M: 7-7 is ranked 81
Illinois: 4-12 is ranked 125

That's all you need to know about this ranking...Perception 6 bias to the extreme.

ACC: 13/15 in the Top 100
Big East: 9/10 in the Top 100
Big 12: 10/10 in the Top 100
Big 10: 12/14 in the Top 100
Pac 12: 7/12 in the Top 100 (biggest indictment of the system yet IMO)
SEC: 13/14 in the Top 100

For those counting...that's 85% of P6 teams ranked in the Top 100 teams in the country, and that's 65/100 teams in just 6 conferences. Keep in mind there are 353 teams and 32 conferences.


Realative to what? There is no context here. I'm not disagreeing with you but you need to compare it to the rpi or something else to show the difference in rankings and why.

Also comparing it to how the conferences looked (not teams) over the last few years. I believe your assumption is correct but can't say accurately with out some sort of base line to work off.

Also even the rpi has outliers until the sometime probably in February when it pulls most of them in.
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(01-14-2019 01:18 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Okie State: 8-8 is ranked 58
Penn State: 7-10 is ranked 78
Texas A&M: 7-7 is ranked 81
Illinois: 4-12 is ranked 125

That's all you need to know about this ranking...Perception 6 bias to the extreme.

ACC: 13/15 in the Top 100
Big East: 9/10 in the Top 100
Big 12: 10/10 in the Top 100
Big 10: 12/14 in the Top 100
Pac 12: 7/12 in the Top 100 (biggest indictment of the system yet IMO)
SEC: 13/14 in the Top 100

For those counting...that's 85% of P6 teams ranked in the Top 100 teams in the country, and that's 65/100 teams in just 6 conferences. Keep in mind there are 353 teams and 32 conferences.

Good work. Comparing to RPI which was replaced by NET may provide more evidence of bias. More top P6 100 teams using the NET than RPI tends to indicate true intention.
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(01-14-2019 11:08 AM)vick mike Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 11:00 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 10:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 08:57 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Let's see what the vaunted NET does in the tournament.

It rewards teams that may not have the winning record of other teams but better efficiency. What happens if the team rated below them happens to be efficient during a tournament game against them. My problem with NET is that it rewards efficiency too much. There's an old saying, live by the 3 die by the 3.

Teams that win know how that feels regardless how it looks winning. It reminds of Tim Tebow's Gators. He didn't look pretty but he did know how to win.

Houston has been winning ugly and NET likes us. Maybe Temple just needs to win more to get some respect.

Not nearly as ugly as Temple. 5 of Temple's last 6 games were decided by 5 points or less, including 3 OTs wins and 1 loss. Of Temple's 13 wins only 4 have seen them win by more then 8 points and those 4 were not against good teams. UGLY!

But that doesn't mean that they don't know how to win close games.

And IMO that seems to be a huge hole in the NET. Playing well in a loss seems more valuable than winning close. W/L should be the most important factor not style or “efficiency” which again IMO is variable and subjective. A Win is not subjective. As for the comment above about Temple winning more we are 13-3, which would project to a 25 or 26 win season which in most years would get a team in. The BS NET would keep us out.

Your non-con wasn't as strong this year. Maybe thats the hang up for yall. Like if yall had this record at this point last year, then itd be fair to project 25-26 wins. Right now yall are looking at maybe 23-24 wins before the NCAAT. That's good enough to get you in the tournament but your seeding won't be great. Win 26 games and that would change a little bit.
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The NET encourages running up the score to improve efficiency numbers. That is the biggest issue with the formula.
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(01-14-2019 01:18 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Okie State: 8-8 is ranked 58
Penn State: 7-10 is ranked 78
Texas A&M: 7-7 is ranked 81
Illinois: 4-12 is ranked 125

That's all you need to know about this ranking...Perception 6 bias to the extreme.

ACC: 13/15 in the Top 100
Big East: 9/10 in the Top 100
Big 12: 10/10 in the Top 100
Big 10: 12/14 in the Top 100
Pac 12: 7/12 in the Top 100 (biggest indictment of the system yet IMO)
SEC: 13/14 in the Top 100

For those counting...that's 85% of P6 teams ranked in the Top 100 teams in the country, and that's 65/100 teams in just 6 conferences. Keep in mind there are 353 teams and 32 conferences.

Here is RPI ranking (Source)

ACC: 8/15 in the Top 100
Big East: 7/10 in the Top 100
Big 12: 8/10 in the Top 100
Big 10: 11/14 in the Top 100
Pac 12: 5/12 in the Top 100
SEC: 10/14 in the Top 100

NET: AAC 7/12 in the Top 100
RPI : AAC 7/12 in the Top 100

As I mentioned previously, the NET replaced RPI. The NET clearly shows bias toward the P6, but does not hurt our conference using this metric.
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Looks like the ACC benefits the most from NET. Yuck.
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(01-14-2019 03:02 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Looks like the ACC benefits the most from NET. Yuck.

Think that honor goes to the Big 12
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