https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/statu...02048?s=20

Here are the numbers. Had time to go back and pull them out.
This is the performance pool

MWC $20.4 million
AAC $18.8 million
Sun Belt $17.2 million
CUSA $15.6 million
MAC $14 million

Not reported but worth mentioning, AAC picked up an additional $6 million for UCF's appearance.

AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here are the numbers. Had time to go back and pull them out.
This is the performance pool

MWC $20.4 million
AAC $18.8 million
Sun Belt $17.2 million
CUSA $15.6 million
MAC $14 million

Not reported but worth mentioning, AAC picked up an additional $6 million for UCF's appearance.

AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

Have they disclosed what the criteria are?

(01-11-2019 04:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here are the numbers. Had time to go back and pull them out.
This is the performance pool

MWC $20.4 million
AAC $18.8 million
Sun Belt $17.2 million
CUSA $15.6 million
MAC $14 million

Not reported but worth mentioning, AAC picked up an additional $6 million for UCF's appearance.

AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

Have they disclosed what the criteria are?

Performance money is based on the overall ranking of each conference in 5 (or maybe it is six) computer rankings.

(01-11-2019 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here are the numbers. Had time to go back and pull them out.
This is the performance pool

MWC $20.4 million
AAC $18.8 million
Sun Belt $17.2 million
CUSA $15.6 million
MAC $14 million

Not reported but worth mentioning, AAC picked up an additional $6 million for UCF's appearance.

AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

Have they disclosed what the criteria are?

Performance money is based on the overall ranking of each conference in 5 (or maybe it is six) computer rankings.

With MWC and AAC were the dominate G5 conferences with schools high up on the rankings make them closer. AAC only got the boast because of UCF and Cincinnati. With the Boston College and Boise State being canceled, it helped kept Boise State stay in the top 25.

Yep, it's nice to see my expectations confirmed - the MWC was the best G5 conference this year, not the AAC. I guess if there is a "P6" the MWC is the "6"?

That means in 5 years of the CFP, the AAC has been best 3 times, the MWC twice.

(01-11-2019 04:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here are the numbers. Had time to go back and pull them out.
This is the performance pool

MWC $20.4 million
AAC $18.8 million
Sun Belt $17.2 million
CUSA $15.6 million
MAC $14 million

Not reported but worth mentioning, AAC picked up an additional $6 million for UCF's appearance.

AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

Have they disclosed what the criteria are?

Performance money is based on the overall ranking of each conference in 5 (or maybe it is six) computer rankings.

With MWC and AAC were the dominate G5 conferences with schools high up on the rankings make them closer. AAC only got the boast because of UCF and Cincinnati. With the Boston College and Boise State being canceled, it helped kept Boise State stay in the top 25.

Boise is so bad...

(01-11-2019 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yep, it's nice to see my expectations confirmed - the MWC was the best G5 conference this year, no the AAC. I guess if there is a "P6" the MWC is the "6"?

That means in 5 years of the CFP, the AAC has been best 3 times, the MWC twice.

Definitely doesn't encourage MWC or AAC expansion, unless it is a really strong program. And I don't think there is anyone consistent enough.

(01-11-2019 07:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yep, it's nice to see my expectations confirmed - the MWC was the best G5 conference this year, no the AAC. I guess if there is a "P6" the MWC is the "6"?

That means in 5 years of the CFP, the AAC has been best 3 times, the MWC twice.

Definitely doesn't encourage MWC or AAC expansion, unless it is a really strong program. And I don't think there is anyone consistent enough.

Troy, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Eastern Washington, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Toledo and James Madison are saying hi to you. I could add Northern Iowa as well.

(01-11-2019 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yep, it's nice to see my expectations confirmed - the MWC was the best G5 conference this year, not the AAC. I guess if there is a "P6" the MWC is the "6"?

That means in 5 years of the CFP, the AAC has been best 3 times, the MWC twice.

And yet the AAC has gotten the NY6 bid 3 times, and the MWC only once. The AAC still got the larger payout this year because of it.

You can poke fun at the P6 campaign all you want(and there are plenty of reasons to), but if the AAC is going to consistently make the most money from the networks and the CFP, then the campaign accomplished what I personally think the real goal was.

The Sunbelt being ahead of CUSA in addition to having less members and a more profitable TV deal would seem to indicate the Sunbelt is doing quite well

(01-12-2019 10:18 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yep, it's nice to see my expectations confirmed - the MWC was the best G5 conference this year, not the AAC. I guess if there is a "P6" the MWC is the "6"?

That means in 5 years of the CFP, the AAC has been best 3 times, the MWC twice.

And yet the AAC has gotten the NY6 bid 3 times, and the MWC only once. The AAC still got the larger payout this year because of it.

You can poke fun at the P6 campaign all you want(and there are plenty of reasons to), but if the AAC is going to consistently make the most money from the networks and the CFP, then the campaign accomplished what I personally think the real goal was.

First, the AAC was getting the most TV and CFP money before the P6 campaign started, so you can't credit the P6 campaign for that.

Second, when talking P6, you have to distinguish between marketing puffery and reality. My post was about reality - for P6 to make any sense in an "on the field" sense, the AAC has to be performing on the field much more like the P5 conferences than the G4 conferences, and this year, that was completely not true. Since the AAC wasn't even the best G5 conference, the P6 campaign bore zero relation to on the field reality this season.

Marketing of course is different. Heck, CUSA has been maybe the worst FBS football conference the past 5 years, but if it claimed it was a Power conference equal on the field to the B1G anyway with the goal of being regarded by the media and public that way, and everyone believed it despite it being untrue, well then yes, the marketing is working. In this case, I don't think the P6 campaign is working, as nobody thinks of the AAC as a power football conference.

Obviously, the most important issue for the AAC right now is the media negotiations.

IIRC, the 30-day exclusive negotiating window with ESPN starts in just 20 days, on February 1st, so everything is about to hit the fan with that.

(01-11-2019 04:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here are the numbers. Had time to go back and pull them out.
This is the performance pool

MWC $20.4 million
AAC $18.8 million
Sun Belt $17.2 million
CUSA $15.6 million
MAC $14 million

Not reported but worth mentioning, AAC picked up an additional $6 million for UCF's appearance.

AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

Have they disclosed what the criteria are?

Performance money is based on the overall ranking of each conference in 5 (or maybe it is six) computer rankings.

I think its based on the old BCS formula.

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

This CFP money has become the answer to end all G5 realignment wars.

SBC per school payout of 2.72 mil per school tops CUSA's distribution by almost 1 million (1.82 mil). They won't be able to flip SBC teams anymore. MAC is in at 2 million per school but that is a dead last finish.

Factor in the TV money and CUSA is at a distance behind both.

SBC 3.32 mil (+500k)
MAC 2.8 mil (+800k)
CUSA 2.22 mil (+400k)

(01-12-2019 03:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

This CFP money has become the answer to end all G5 realignment wars.

SBC per school payout of 2.72 mil per school tops CUSA's distribution by almost 1 million (1.82 mil). They won't be able to flip SBC teams anymore. MAC is in at 2 million per school but that is a dead last finish.

Factor in the TV money and CUSA is at a distance behind both.

SBC 3.32 mil (+500k)
MAC 2.8 mil (+800k)
CUSA 2.22 mil (+400k)

According to some knowledgeable SB posters, the SB gives an equal share to UTA and UALR. So that is divided by 12 and not 10.

Also, CUSA doesn't have to pay for production costs for their TV. SB has to pay production costs so the amount is most likely halved.

(01-12-2019 03:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

This CFP money has become the answer to end all G5 realignment wars.

SBC per school payout of 2.72 mil per school tops CUSA's distribution by almost 1 million (1.82 mil). They won't be able to flip SBC teams anymore. MAC is in at 2 million per school but that is a dead last finish.

Factor in the TV money and CUSA is at a distance behind both.

SBC 3.32 mil (+500k)
MAC 2.8 mil (+800k)
CUSA 2.22 mil (+400k)

According to some knowledgeable SB posters, the SB gives an equal share to UTA and UALR. So that is divided by 12 and not 10.

Also, CUSA doesn't have to pay for production costs for their TV. SB has to pay production costs so the amount is most likely halved.

If UTA and UALR are getting equal shares of FB money what a deal for them when then don't have football.

ULM is getting a huge distribution relative to its budget size and contribution to conference strength.

Coastal really lucked out to be in an FBS league. From what I can see the G5 over expanded by about 4 programs and they may have never gotten in.

(01-12-2019 03:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

This CFP money has become the answer to end all G5 realignment wars.

SBC per school payout of 2.72 mil per school tops CUSA's distribution by almost 1 million (1.82 mil). They won't be able to flip SBC teams anymore. MAC is in at 2 million per school but that is a dead last finish.

Factor in the TV money and CUSA is at a distance behind both.

SBC 3.32 mil (+500k)
MAC 2.8 mil (+800k)
CUSA 2.22 mil (+400k)

According to some knowledgeable SB posters, the SB gives an equal share to UTA and UALR. So that is divided by 12 and not 10.

Also, CUSA doesn't have to pay for production costs for their TV. SB has to pay production costs so the amount is most likely halved.

If UTA and UALR are getting equal shares of FB money what a deal for them when then don't have football.

ULM is getting a huge distribution relative to its budget size and contribution to conference strength.

Coastal really lucked out to be in an FBS league. From what I can see the G5 over expanded by about 4 programs and they may have never gotten in.

It would be only the performance portion and not the 1st distribution, but yes a good deal for them for getting football $$$ and not having a team.

Peanuts for all. Somebody needs to file a lawsuit to blow this system up.

(01-12-2019 03:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

This CFP money has become the answer to end all G5 realignment wars.

SBC per school payout of 2.72 mil per school tops CUSA's distribution by almost 1 million (1.82 mil). They won't be able to flip SBC teams anymore. MAC is in at 2 million per school but that is a dead last finish.

Factor in the TV money and CUSA is at a distance behind both.

SBC 3.32 mil (+500k)
MAC 2.8 mil (+800k)
CUSA 2.22 mil (+400k)

According to some knowledgeable SB posters, the SB gives an equal share to UTA and UALR. So that is divided by 12 and not 10.

Also, CUSA doesn't have to pay for production costs for their TV. SB has to pay production costs so the amount is most likely halved.

Not exactly true.
CUSA pays to produe ESPN+/ESPN3/CUSA TV telecasts.

Sun Belt pays zero to produce ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU (or ABC should that happen).
CUSA pays zero to produce CBSSN and I presume Stadium.

To toss out one is paying production and the other isn't, simply isn't true.

(01-12-2019 08:30 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  AAC's total haul counting the money that is divided equally was $34.8 million
MWC $30.4 million
Sun Belt $27.2 million
CUSA $25.6 million
MAC $24 million.

This CFP money has become the answer to end all G5 realignment wars.

SBC per school payout of 2.72 mil per school tops CUSA's distribution by almost 1 million (1.82 mil). They won't be able to flip SBC teams anymore. MAC is in at 2 million per school but that is a dead last finish.

Factor in the TV money and CUSA is at a distance behind both.

SBC 3.32 mil (+500k)
MAC 2.8 mil (+800k)
CUSA 2.22 mil (+400k)

According to some knowledgeable SB posters, the SB gives an equal share to UTA and UALR. So that is divided by 12 and not 10.

Also, CUSA doesn't have to pay for production costs for their TV. SB has to pay production costs so the amount is most likely halved.

Not exactly true.
CUSA pays to produe ESPN+/ESPN3/CUSA TV telecasts.

Sun Belt pays zero to produce ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU (or ABC should that happen).
CUSA pays zero to produce CBSSN and I presume Stadium.

To toss out one is paying production and the other isn't, simply isn't true.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...fcc22.html

CUSA doesn’t pay ESPN because those are produced by the schools.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...fcc22.html

While the SB schools will do some production themselves, ESPN is going to get some payment upfront. So yes the SB pays some production costs back to ESPN.