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(01-17-2019 11:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 11:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 10:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  Another thing not talked about

Are Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, and LSU just going to vote not play Alabama, by far their biggest draw? I don't know, Tony.

Ole Miss's chief rival historically has been L.S.U.. In the early years the biggest rival L.S.U. had was Texas A&M. L.S.U. would love to drop their Florida series and vice versa. L.S.U. would miss Alabama but the A&M draw will be just as big and L.S.U. fans would love being out from under the shadow of Alabama.

Arkansas want's Texas and Oklahoma in the fold. Their fans miss those SWC connections.

Missouri knows them already and would be moving West for the only school that would pitch a fit about not playing Alabama and Auburn annually, Mississippi State. Starkville is only about 70 miles from Tuscaloosa and many Miss State students and athletes party on the strip in Tuscaloosa. They would be fine playing Ole Miss as their only cross divisional game.

So the division would be fairly natural if it were this:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech.

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt.

If you played 9 conference games (8 divisional and 1 cross divisional) then Alabama could still play Texas A&M. Auburn could still play L.S.U.. Miss State would still play Ole Miss, Tennessee could play Oklahoma, and anyone who didn't want a permanent crossover could just rotate.

Heck in the old days if you didn't play a school in the regular season you might meet another SEC foe in a bowl game. Pat Sullivan and Auburn played Archie Manning and Ole Miss in the Gator Bowl.

All change is uncomfortable for somebody, but this change wouldn't have any terrible consequences. The fans would love the closeness of the travel after they experienced it, and playing the neighboring states is especially key for the heart of a hoops or baseball schedule.

I think Ole Miss, MSU and LSU would be very unhappy about losing Alabama (and to some extent Auburn).

You obviously didn't read my post. MSU is in the East so they lose nobody and would play Ole Miss as their crossover. LSU would love to be on their own steam free of Alabama and they could easily line up Auburn as their crossover.

Ole Miss might be more miffed over losing Vanderbilt.
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(01-17-2019 11:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 11:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 11:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 10:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  Another thing not talked about

Are Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, and LSU just going to vote not play Alabama, by far their biggest draw? I don't know, Tony.

Ole Miss's chief rival historically has been L.S.U.. In the early years the biggest rival L.S.U. had was Texas A&M. L.S.U. would love to drop their Florida series and vice versa. L.S.U. would miss Alabama but the A&M draw will be just as big and L.S.U. fans would love being out from under the shadow of Alabama.

Arkansas want's Texas and Oklahoma in the fold. Their fans miss those SWC connections.

Missouri knows them already and would be moving West for the only school that would pitch a fit about not playing Alabama and Auburn annually, Mississippi State. Starkville is only about 70 miles from Tuscaloosa and many Miss State students and athletes party on the strip in Tuscaloosa. They would be fine playing Ole Miss as their only cross divisional game.

So the division would be fairly natural if it were this:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech.

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt.

If you played 9 conference games (8 divisional and 1 cross divisional) then Alabama could still play Texas A&M. Auburn could still play L.S.U.. Miss State would still play Ole Miss, Tennessee could play Oklahoma, and anyone who didn't want a permanent crossover could just rotate.

Heck in the old days if you didn't play a school in the regular season you might meet another SEC foe in a bowl game. Pat Sullivan and Auburn played Archie Manning and Ole Miss in the Gator Bowl.

All change is uncomfortable for somebody, but this change wouldn't have any terrible consequences. The fans would love the closeness of the travel after they experienced it, and playing the neighboring states is especially key for the heart of a hoops or baseball schedule.

I think Ole Miss, MSU and LSU would be very unhappy about losing Alabama (and to some extent Auburn).

You obviously didn't read my post. MSU is in the East so they lose nobody and would play Ole Miss as their crossover. LSU would love to be on their own steam free of Alabama and they could easily line up Auburn as their crossover.

Ole Miss might be more miffed over losing Vanderbilt.

In your 16 team model you leave MSU in the west. Ole Miss-Vandy is one of the oldest rivalries.
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(01-17-2019 11:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think Ole Miss, MSU and LSU would be very unhappy about losing Alabama (and to some extent Auburn).

Very true. Speaking as someone who has lived within 10 miles of LSU for the past 23 years, i can assure you LSU fans have zero desire to not play Auburn and Alabama. They want to play them every single year.

JRSEC is correct that LSU fans want to be "out of Alabama's shadow", but they want that to happen by getting good enough to regularly beat Alabama, not avoid playing them. No LSU fan I've ever ran in to wants to stop playing Alabama annually. And not because it fills up Tiger Stadium. Lots of teams fill up Tiger Stadium. it's because Alabama is a traditional SEC rival.

LSU also has no desire to not play Mississippi State each year. They have played each other 112 times going back to 1896.

LSU fans are entirely happy with the SEC slate except for one thing - playing Florida every year. They (correctly) think it is unfair because compared to other SEC West teams it means they usually have a tougher schedule, because Florida is usually better than the SEC East teams that the other SEC West teams annually play. It is a big piss-off to LSU fans if they are tied with Alabama for the SEC West lead, and then next week LSU has to go to #10 Florida while Alabama plays a hapless 2-7 Tennessee team. Florida IIRC feels the same way in reverse.

Florida and LSU have developed quite a history, it's become a chippy rivalry that riles up both fan bases, they just don't want to do it ever year mandated by the SEC. They want it to be part of a rotation.
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If the sec jumped to 16, they could break it down to 4 pods of 4 and set up a 3-2-2-2 format. I do think the concept of adding OU and Texas is insane, too much football power and hurts the sport nationwide. I would go with

OU and Ok state or Texas and Tulane combo to get to 16.
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RE: FOX No Longer Airing BXII Championship Game
(01-17-2019 10:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 06:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 05:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(01-17-2019 05:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, ESPN could very easily have the right to do something first prior to it coming out on the open market. ESPN might not want to do anything to alienate the SEC, but they sure as hell aren't going to allow the SEC to walk all over them, hurting ESPN in the process. What you are talking about would absolutely 100% do that to ESPN.

Do tell. Please explain how? The issue here is that this possibility just doesn't set well with you. If it was amenable to Texas & Oklahoma and to the SEC and profited ESPN why would they reject it?

Right now ESPN gets games 16 on from the SEC.... Which obviously includes some mighty great games. If they add 4 teams, and make it where ESPN's package is only starting at 36 even- that's a HUGE loss for ESPN..... Probably at least 10 games have aired on ESPN with the current deal would move to tier 1. You say well they'll be replaced and then some with new content. That's all well and good, but those games are no where good as those 10 games.

Well that depends on whether ABC bids on part or all of those T1 rights. Under the old plan ESPN got 56 games - 16 for CBS = 40 games for T2 and T3 selections. If those 4 are added they get 81 games - 32 = 49 games for T2 and T3. So if they want to profit they need to bid on and win those T1 rights for ABC and use them for two dedicated slots on Saturday 2:30 & 7:00 PM, or split them with another network.

In the East you would have Fla/Ala, Ga/Ala, Aub/Ala, Tenn/Ala, Fla/Ga, Fla/Aub, Fla/Tenn, Aub/Tenn, & SoCar/Clemson, Fla/FSU every other year. Plus you would have 9 SEC vs other P conference games which would probably be the games that the T1 would take a hard look at getting.

But they couldn't get them all so ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU would have plenty left to choose from many of which would include Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, or Tennessee against Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt and one of the Mississippi schools, probably State.

In the West you have the games between L.S.U., Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and Ole Miss for your T1 plus their 9 P OOC games. Then those brands against TTU, OSU, Missouri, and Arkansas give you the rest.

From a ratings perspective there aren't any regional dogs to speak of with the exception of Vandy in the East which would be an SECN game anyway. There's enough solid games for ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU and the G5 games are all conference network games anyway.

There's plenty of content there. They would be getting 9 of the top 15 Athletic department in the nation having games with the other 4 brands or regional brands in their divisions. That's a better lineup than you can find anywhere else in college sports, and its true for baseball, softball, and hoops as well.

And I didn't even include the 9 cross divisional games that would be played.

but if the current contract says ESPN gets everything except for the 15 games or whatever that goes to CBS, why would they allow themselves to get screwed out of those games 16-30 which they already enjoy.

I really think you are doing it based on what you hope happens, and not what is contractually realistic. It's a business for both sides. You say there would still be plenty of content for ESPN. Yes that might be the case, but it's definitely not on the same level as what they currently have with this current deal. Why would ESPN in their right mind agree to something where they instead of getting realistically games 16-50 would get with admittedly 4 more teams 36-80? Depending on how the current ESPN deal reads, we don't know who has the leverage here.

What I could see happen is you get a tier 1 package which would be the top 15 games plus SEC tile game, but then the a package would be a 2nd tier 2 level package.... I don't for a second think that the SEC contractually would be allowed with what ESPN has right now- to bid out the top 35 or whatever games....

Let's say for sake of argument that ESPN holds everything outside of the 15 Tier 1 games.

That's relevant to a point, but all the SEC has to do is create additional content not covered in the current contract. Remember, we play 8 conference games. The primary reason we play 8 is because we haven't been paid to play 9.

14 schools x 8 games = 112

You are correct that we should divide that by 2 and we get 56 actual contests. If you add 4 schools and an additional game for everyone then that alters the numbers.

18 schools x 9 games = 162

Divide that by 2 and we've got 81 actual contests. That's 25 additional games over and above what the current contract is for. We can conclude at least 9 of those games were not accounted for in any respect under the current contract because the SEC has just added a 9th game to the slate. It would have been incredibly foolish for the SEC to sell games that didn't previously exist so I think we can safely assume that.

Let's say for sake of argument that there are contractual provisions that address the creation of addition games through expansion. I would assume there are stipulations, but that both sides have motivation to work together under that scenario. The purpose of such stipulations would be to keep one side from taking advantage of the other. As in the previous contract, I'm sure these stipulations cover "windows" for renegotiation in the event of expansion.

The 9 games that the SEC just created are free and clear of obligations to any network. We can call them 1st Tier or 2nd Tier or whatever, but they didn't exist 5 minutes ago so the contract should have little to say about them if anything.

If this sort of expansion were to take place before the CBS deal is up then the SEC still has 9 games on the open market. This creates an opportunity to go with another network or provides leverage to renegotiate an existing deal. I'll take a gamble and say the most effective use would be as leverage to renegotiate an existing deal.

Being that the window is opened anyway with an expansion, the creation of a 9th game allows whoever is bidding a variety of options.

I think it's quite likely that ESPN would want to move Texas into the SEC because that would complete the package they already own about half of with regards to 1st and 2nd tier. They also own 3rd tier outright and the business partnership with Texas on the LHN provides motivation as well. ESPN would probably like to inflate their bottom line a little bit by adjusting the LHN contract or perhaps eliminating it. But that comes back to what Texas wants as well since they own about half the entity and probably knew what they were signing up for when ESPN came calling.

Consider also that Texas' schedule will be much more favorable to their fans interests in the SEC especially if Oklahoma is on board. No administrator wants to deal with fans not buying tickets anymore or making fewer donations because no one is on the schedule that the fans want to see.

From ESPN's perspective, if 2 of the top brands in the country are fully in the fold of the SEC and there are new games they could grab then that should be sufficient motivation to offer a strong deal so that the SEC doesn't feel the need to go elsewhere. Remember also that ESPN owns the SEC Network and that's a significant investment. Key point being that the SEC still retains rights to the content as soon as the contract is up which would make the investment worthless from ESPN's perspective should the relationship go south.

Of course, ESPN doesn't want to be run over and fortunately for them, the SEC hasn't taken the initiative to run anyone over in contract negotiations. That's part of the benefit of working with the SEC.

Let's also consider that ESPN probably owes us a favor since they signed a contract with the Big Ten that seemed to favor their model despite the fact that the ratings aren't as good top to bottom.

So I conclude we could have as many as 25 new games to add to the slate that would be up for open bid. It's at least 9, but depending on when this happens then 40 games(25 new + CBS' 15) up for bid at a single time is not far fetched.
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(01-18-2019 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 11:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think Ole Miss, MSU and LSU would be very unhappy about losing Alabama (and to some extent Auburn).

Very true. Speaking as someone who has lived within 10 miles of LSU for the past 23 years, i can assure you LSU fans have zero desire to not play Auburn and Alabama. They want to play them every single year.

JRSEC is correct that LSU fans want to be "out of Alabama's shadow", but they want that to happen by getting good enough to regularly beat Alabama, not avoid playing them. No LSU fan I've ever ran in to wants to stop playing Alabama annually. And not because it fills up Tiger Stadium. Lots of teams fill up Tiger Stadium. it's because Alabama is a traditional SEC rival.

LSU also has no desire to not play Mississippi State each year. They have played each other 112 times going back to 1896.

LSU fans are entirely happy with the SEC slate except for one thing - playing Florida every year. They (correctly) think it is unfair because compared to other SEC West teams it means they usually have a tougher schedule, because Florida is usually better than the SEC East teams that the other SEC West teams annually play. It is a big piss-off to LSU fans if they are tied with Alabama for the SEC West lead, and then next week LSU has to go to #10 Florida while Alabama plays a hapless 2-7 Tennessee team. Florida IIRC feels the same way in reverse.

Florida and LSU have developed quite a history, it's become a chippy rivalry that riles up both fan bases, they just don't want to do it ever year mandated by the SEC. They want it to be part of a rotation.

I have lived in Baton Rouge for 36 years. Quo is absolutely correct here.
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uh, actually if the expansion took place prior to the CBS deal running out, it would absolutely be folded into the current deals. That's what happened with A&M/Missouri adds. The ESPN contract is for EVERYTHING not on CBS. So even if 20 teams were added, ESPN would get all of it.

The question is absolutely what is ESPN's deal with the SEC. Is it just they get everything except for a specific number of games that goes to tier 1? If so, even with expansion going to be really hard to get anything other then the current specific SEC deal out on the open market. ESPN would already own everything else.

Now, I can see ESPN agreeing to carving out a tier 2 type of package that would be after not only the current CBS package, but then the next 15 games that goes to ESPN.

ESPN's not going to agree to radically devalue their package. And yes, instead of getting games 16 on from 14 team conference getting games 41 on from 18 team conference would be radically devalued. And I think you know that.
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(01-18-2019 08:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 11:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 11:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 11:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 10:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  Another thing not talked about

Are Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, and LSU just going to vote not play Alabama, by far their biggest draw? I don't know, Tony.

Ole Miss's chief rival historically has been L.S.U.. In the early years the biggest rival L.S.U. had was Texas A&M. L.S.U. would love to drop their Florida series and vice versa. L.S.U. would miss Alabama but the A&M draw will be just as big and L.S.U. fans would love being out from under the shadow of Alabama.

Arkansas want's Texas and Oklahoma in the fold. Their fans miss those SWC connections.

Missouri knows them already and would be moving West for the only school that would pitch a fit about not playing Alabama and Auburn annually, Mississippi State. Starkville is only about 70 miles from Tuscaloosa and many Miss State students and athletes party on the strip in Tuscaloosa. They would be fine playing Ole Miss as their only cross divisional game.

So the division would be fairly natural if it were this:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech.

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt.

If you played 9 conference games (8 divisional and 1 cross divisional) then Alabama could still play Texas A&M. Auburn could still play L.S.U.. Miss State would still play Ole Miss, Tennessee could play Oklahoma, and anyone who didn't want a permanent crossover could just rotate.

Heck in the old days if you didn't play a school in the regular season you might meet another SEC foe in a bowl game. Pat Sullivan and Auburn played Archie Manning and Ole Miss in the Gator Bowl.

All change is uncomfortable for somebody, but this change wouldn't have any terrible consequences. The fans would love the closeness of the travel after they experienced it, and playing the neighboring states is especially key for the heart of a hoops or baseball schedule.

I think Ole Miss, MSU and LSU would be very unhappy about losing Alabama (and to some extent Auburn).

You obviously didn't read my post. MSU is in the East so they lose nobody and would play Ole Miss as their crossover. LSU would love to be on their own steam free of Alabama and they could easily line up Auburn as their crossover.

Ole Miss might be more miffed over losing Vanderbilt.

In your 16 team model you leave MSU in the west. Ole Miss-Vandy is one of the oldest rivalries.

Read the post in my first quoted box. I have MSU in the East. We are talking about an 18 member SEC, not the 16 member models you are familiar with.

And Stever I have nothing else to say to you but that if ESPN acquired Texas and Oklahoma fully through the SEC even at the expense of Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, all 3 parties would make more money. If those joining make more, if the conference makes more, and if ESPN can expect a profit from it, it can happen. Again what you keep avoiding is that no contract that benefits all parties is above being amended.

You keep beating the ESPN would not benefit mantra. That's moot when all profit. If any of the 3 parties couldn't make more then there would be no deal. And I'm not so sure once the CBS contract expires that the SEC couldn't redefine T1 when they sign a new one. Whether it is CBS or another entity T1 will be re-specified in the new contract and the language with ESPN will still apply. They'll get all games not deemed to be T1 by the terms of the new contract.

And Quo if we go divisionless there would be nothing odd about adding 4. It would be very easy to play 5 schools annually and rotate the rest with a 9 game conference schedule. LSU could play Alabama, Auburn, Miss State, Ole Miss and A&M if they wanted.

There are no obstacles except for in the minds of those who wouldn't like it. If it profits all of the parties it can be done.
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(01-18-2019 04:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  uh, actually if the expansion took place prior to the CBS deal running out, it would absolutely be folded into the current deals. That's what happened with A&M/Missouri adds. The ESPN contract is for EVERYTHING not on CBS. So even if 20 teams were added, ESPN would get all of it.

The question is absolutely what is ESPN's deal with the SEC. Is it just they get everything except for a specific number of games that goes to tier 1? If so, even with expansion going to be really hard to get anything other then the current specific SEC deal out on the open market. ESPN would already own everything else.

Now, I can see ESPN agreeing to carving out a tier 2 type of package that would be after not only the current CBS package, but then the next 15 games that goes to ESPN.

ESPN's not going to agree to radically devalue their package. And yes, instead of getting games 16 on from 14 team conference getting games 41 on from 18 team conference would be radically devalued. And I think you know that.

Go back and read my post again.

1. CBS didn't give us a raise because they didn't acquire anymore games.

2. The current deal we have with ESPN is based on a renegotiation after Texas A&M and Missouri were added. It is not a continuation of the old deal with new games thrown in.

3. We didn't create any additional games last time. We started with 8 and stayed with 8.

4. If everything that CBS doesn't have automatically reverts to ESPN then why bother asking the question of what's in the contract? Didn't you just answer your own question?

5. How would adding Texas and Oklahoma devalue the 2nd and 3rd tier games? Not every UT or OU game would be in the 1st tier...

6. I said we would have 9 games up for open bid if we create a 9th game. I said we could have as many as 25 if we add 4 teams and a 9th game. I said we could be that many depending on what the contract says. I never said we would have 40 games up for open bid at any given time....only that it could be as many as 40 once the CBS contract expires.
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1- agree with you.
2- It was a renegotiation of the old deal. They revised the old deal.
3- anytime you add teams, it adds additional games. Before had 48 conference games and generally 36 OOC games. After had 56 conference games and generally 42 OOC games.
4- The question is does the contract say that or does it say that ESPN gets all but tier 1 games.
5- Because Texas and Oklahoma only would have 18 games. So yeah those games are good. BUT then- there's also 7 other games that ESPN used to get that now would be considered tier 1 from the original 14 teams

Like I've said- it's all going to hinge on what the deal says with ESPN currently. I just think there is a very good chance there is only going to be up for bid on the open market what is currently the CBS package. With ESPN if more teams are added paying more money keeping the tier 2 rights as they are. There is a possibility that 2nd tier group could get a 2nd package. I don't think there's going to be a 40 game tier 1 package that gets up for bidding in the least.
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(01-18-2019 05:02 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 04:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  uh, actually if the expansion took place prior to the CBS deal running out, it would absolutely be folded into the current deals. That's what happened with A&M/Missouri adds. The ESPN contract is for EVERYTHING not on CBS. So even if 20 teams were added, ESPN would get all of it.

The question is absolutely what is ESPN's deal with the SEC. Is it just they get everything except for a specific number of games that goes to tier 1? If so, even with expansion going to be really hard to get anything other then the current specific SEC deal out on the open market. ESPN would already own everything else.

Now, I can see ESPN agreeing to carving out a tier 2 type of package that would be after not only the current CBS package, but then the next 15 games that goes to ESPN.

ESPN's not going to agree to radically devalue their package. And yes, instead of getting games 16 on from 14 team conference getting games 41 on from 18 team conference would be radically devalued. And I think you know that.

Go back and read my post again.

1. CBS didn't give us a raise because they didn't acquire anymore games.

2. The current deal we have with ESPN is based on a renegotiation after Texas A&M and Missouri were added. It is not a continuation of the old deal with new games thrown in.

3. We didn't create any additional games last time. We started with 8 and stayed with 8.

4. If everything that CBS doesn't have automatically reverts to ESPN then why bother asking the question of what's in the contract? Didn't you just answer your own question?

5. How would adding Texas and Oklahoma devalue the 2nd and 3rd tier games? Not every UT or OU game would be in the 1st tier...

6. I said we would have 9 games up for open bid if we create a 9th game. I said we could have as many as 25 if we add 4 teams and a 9th game. I said we could be that many depending on what the contract says. I never said we would have 40 games up for open bid at any given time....only that it could be as many as 40 once the CBS contract expires.

You guys are really just disputing details here, because you're starting with the premise that the SEC adds both Texas and Oklahoma and no one else. In that specific scenario, the value add is so big that of course ESPN would be willing to pay more per school than they pay now in exchange for locking up this 16-team SEC for a very long time into the future.

The road of re-negotiation is not anywhere near that easy for the SEC if they don't get the Longhorns, and also not as easy if politics requires the SEC to bring tag-along schools in addition to UT and/or OU.
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(01-17-2019 10:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  Another thing not talked about

Are Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, and LSU just going to vote not play Alabama, by far their biggest draw? I don't know, Tony.

If it means more money because the conference just reeled in a whale and the value of the media package increased significantly then absolutely. I imagine some schools might even welcome sending Bama East so they can wreck Georgia and Florida's title chances rather than their own.

One thing that can certainly be said about SEC teams is that they continue to pack their stadiums no matter who they are playing so there shouldn't be a drop in gate receipts.
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(01-18-2019 06:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 10:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  Another thing not talked about

Are Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, and LSU just going to vote not play Alabama, by far their biggest draw? I don't know, Tony.

If it means more money because the conference just reeled in a whale and the value of the media package increased significantly then absolutely. I imagine some schools might even welcome sending Bama East so they can wreck Georgia and Florida's title chances rather than their own.

One thing that can certainly be said about SEC teams is that they continue to pack their stadiums no matter who they are playing so there shouldn't be a drop in gate receipts.

If they aren't winning it has an impact. Tennessee dropped from 106k every week to around 90. 16k is more than some schools average.
01-18-2019 08:22 PM
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(01-18-2019 08:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 06:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 10:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  Another thing not talked about

Are Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, and LSU just going to vote not play Alabama, by far their biggest draw? I don't know, Tony.

If it means more money because the conference just reeled in a whale and the value of the media package increased significantly then absolutely. I imagine some schools might even welcome sending Bama East so they can wreck Georgia and Florida's title chances rather than their own.

One thing that can certainly be said about SEC teams is that they continue to pack their stadiums no matter who they are playing so there shouldn't be a drop in gate receipts.

If they aren't winning it has an impact. Tennessee dropped from 106k every week to around 90. 16k is more than some schools average.

More to the point, there aren't very many schools who average 90,000 on a bad year.
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