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RE: Poll: How many power conferences will there be in 2026?
I think people seriously underestimate the possibility of just one (at least technically). I rooting for little change and 5 but if you start to get big moves again, the way to maximize at least short term value is to have a single negociater with the networks. This only works if the conferences are close to equal in value but if you start talking enough moves it might be worth it to the powers that be.

Note: again, I don't want this, but I find it more likely than 3 and maybe even 4.
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(01-14-2019 10:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The answer is 4 1/2. This will be similar to when it was 6, but the Big East 2004-2012 was more like a 1/2. The Big 12 will be that 1/2 with a line up of top G5 and probably 6 or 7 of the little 8 (TCU, Baylor, Iowa State, K State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Houston, Cincy, UCF, Colorado State, maybe BYU FB, maybe still WVU). They will still officially be a member of the Autonomous group, but they wont make anywhere near the same money.


I will never be understand the fascination with CSU, that stands for Colorado State, they are not competitive in the MW and would surely be an anchor in a rebuilt B12.


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(01-14-2019 11:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I do see a consolidation into four "elite" leagues, along with a fifth "power" league, to cement the separation with FBS. Breaking up the Big 12 will be hard, since it makes more than the PAC and the ACC, but it is the most susceptible to raid, not only due to its small membership (10) but because if either of the top schools can get poached (Texas/Oklahoma), it allows for a ton of movement and parity. Ultimately, I could envision a "merger" with many of the Big 12 teams brought into the other leagues. The SEC and B1G will be the two consumers at first, followed by the PAC and ACC.

B1G: Oklahoma and Kansas
SEC: Texas and TCU
PAC: Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Kansas State and Iowa State
ACC: West Virginia

I think PAC will take only two schools. Kansas State and Iowa State are too far away. These two and West Virginia will head to AAC. ACC will wait for Notre Dame. And the 16th school will be UConn if Notre Dame finally comes. The academics of WV is just too bad.
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(01-14-2019 11:30 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I think people seriously underestimate the possibility of just one (at least technically). I rooting for little change and 5 but if you start to get big moves again, the way to maximize at least short term value is to have a single negociater with the networks. This only works if the conferences are close to equal in value but if you start talking enough moves it might be worth it to the powers that be.

Note: again, I don't want this, but I find it more likely than 3 and maybe even 4.

It will never be just one. It's much more likely to become 2 working together closely. But I agree that leverage will be the motivator.
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(01-15-2019 12:49 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 10:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The answer is 4 1/2. This will be similar to when it was 6, but the Big East 2004-2012 was more like a 1/2. The Big 12 will be that 1/2 with a line up of top G5 and probably 6 or 7 of the little 8 (TCU, Baylor, Iowa State, K State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Houston, Cincy, UCF, Colorado State, maybe BYU FB, maybe still WVU). They will still officially be a member of the Autonomous group, but they wont make anywhere near the same money.
I will never be understand the fascination with CSU, that stands for Colorado State, they are not competitive in the MW and would surely be an anchor in a rebuilt B12.

Land Grant school in a state with 5.7 million people.

Decent replacement for Colorado.
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(01-14-2019 11:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I do see a consolidation into four "elite" leagues, along with a fifth "power" league, to cement the separation with FBS. Breaking up the Big 12 will be hard, since it makes more than the PAC and the ACC, but it is the most susceptible to raid, not only due to its small membership (10) but because if either of the top schools can get poached (Texas/Oklahoma), it allows for a ton of movement and parity. Ultimately, I could envision a "merger" with many of the Big 12 teams brought into the other leagues. The SEC and B1G will be the two consumers at first, followed by the PAC and ACC.

B1G: Oklahoma and Kansas
SEC: Texas and TCU
PAC: Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Kansas State and Iowa State
ACC: West Virginia

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RE: Poll: How many power conferences will there be in 2026?
(01-14-2019 11:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I do see a consolidation into four "elite" leagues, along with a fifth "power" league, to cement the separation with FBS. Breaking up the Big 12 will be hard, since it makes more than the PAC and the ACC, but it is the most susceptible to raid, not only due to its small membership (10) but because if either of the top schools can get poached (Texas/Oklahoma), it allows for a ton of movement and parity. Ultimately, I could envision a "merger" with many of the Big 12 teams brought into the other leagues. The SEC and B1G will be the two consumers at first, followed by the PAC and ACC.

B1G: Oklahoma and Kansas
SEC: Texas and TCU
PAC: Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Kansas State and Iowa State
ACC: West Virginia

Even if Oklahoma (and possibly another) left the Big XII, Texas would keep the conference right where it is by replacing them with BYU and Houston. I’m not saying it’s an equal trade, but as long as Texas is committed to the Big XII, it survives.

The question is, would Oklahoma risk losing the Red River Rivalry? I believe OU needs it much more than Texas and that’s why OU is still in the Big XII instead of with Nebraska or Missouri.

Texas has no interest in the SEC.

The ACC has no interest in West Virginia, although they are probably the most realistic candidate out there.

Even in your doomsday scenario, I don’t think the Pac 12 expands with those schools. They probably sit tight regardless.
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RE: Poll: How many power conferences will there be in 2026?
Right now I don't see how the Big 12 completely disappears, so I say 5 for now.

I can see a scenario where Oklahoma/Kansas go to the Big Ten and Texas goes independent. Dont think anyone else draws enough interest from an existing power conference.

At that point the Big 12 just backfills with some AAC/MWC schools and keeps their status

Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston
Oklahoma St
KSU
ISU
WVU
UCF
USF
Maybe Cincinnati, BYU, or Boise too

is still a power conference IMO
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RE: Poll: How many power conferences will there be in 2026?
If Oklahoma (and/or Oklahoma State/Kansas) got offers to leave the Big 12, I can definitely envision Texas leaving the Big 12 (at minimum for football) just to try and preserve its control over scheduling quality opponents. At that point, for self-preservation, they would (should) definitely consider an ND-deal with any power conference it chooses. I think the SEC would be a nice fit for them (today, not by 1990's standards), especially if they can bring along a TCU (which would cement the Dallas market for the SEC). They would rejoin A&M, and be well-situated in the top football conference in the country. The drop-off of losing Oklahoma/Kansas/Oklahoma State (in addition to Nebraska, Colorado, A&M and Missouri), IMO, would be too much. A back-fill of any combination of Houston/SMU/CSU/BYU/etc. doesn't regain that lost value. If they wanted to create a Texas-based non-football league, for the sake of travel, I could see that (Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, SMU, Rice, North Texas, UTSA, Texas State), but that is highly unlikely as well.

Even if under different conference banners, Texas and Oklahoma can maintain their rivalry game in OOC play.

The key factor at play is that both Texas and Oklahoma provide immense value to the other, despite "tensions' with the LHN. They also have political factors at play, where they do not wish to see Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor or TCU "left behind" ala UConn, USF or Cincinnati were in 2013. There are solutions that can create a true P4, without leaving a majority of the B12 out, and ensuring a safe landing spot for the others. It just requires the P4 to, essentially, work together in order to ensure that to happen. Stranger things have happened.
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(01-15-2019 09:46 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Right now I don't see how the Big 12 completely disappears, so I say 5 for now.

I can see a scenario where Oklahoma/Kansas go to the Big Ten and Texas goes independent. Dont think anyone else draws enough interest from an existing power conference.

At that point the Big 12 just backfills with some AAC/MWC schools and keeps their status

Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston
Oklahoma St
KSU
ISU
WVU
UCF
USF
Maybe Cincinnati, BYU, or Boise too

is still a power conference IMO

West: Boise St, BYU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St
East: Central Florida, South Florida, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Memphis, TCU, Houston
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RE: Poll: How many power conferences will there be in 2026?
(01-15-2019 09:46 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Right now I don't see how the Big 12 completely disappears, so I say 5 for now.

I can see a scenario where Oklahoma/Kansas go to the Big Ten and Texas goes independent. Dont think anyone else draws enough interest from an existing power conference.

At that point the Big 12 just backfills with some AAC/MWC schools and keeps their status

Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston
Oklahoma St
KSU
ISU
WVU
UCF
USF
Maybe Cincinnati, BYU, or Boise too

is still a power conference IMO

The Big XII doesn't have to disappear to cease being a Power Conference. I capitalized those words to differentiate between being a true power conference and just a powerful one. The former IMO requires tentpole teams and perennial eyeball drawers. Oklahoma State is a strong football team, but they don't draw viewers on their own like UT and OU. The same goes for TCU.

A rump Big XII would still be a good conference, and worth holding together. But it's not going to get paid like a Power Conference, and NY6 bowls aren't going to want to guarantee their champion a host spot every year. Sooner or later, that will affect recruiting. I would expect that some of the schools that have had recent success on the gridiron will revert back to mediocrity once OU and UT pull out. Those would include Baylor and Kansas State.

In short, if OU and UT stay, we will still have a P5. If they pull out, it's P4. My vote was for the former. UT needs the Big XII.
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I am still mystified as to why so many think that the Big 12 dies as a P in 2025.

Yes, if Oklahoma and Texas exit, the Big 12 will cease to be a power conference.

But, why would either leave? Both on the field and in terms of $$$, the Big 12 is doing fine, and neither of those schools would have the power they have in the B1G or PAC or SEC that they have ruling the roost in the Big 12.

And for Oklahoma in particular, Nebraska has to be a cautionary tale. Nebraska's "power" has declined dramatically since joining the B1G. Sooners fans can't help but worry that this would befall them as well.
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I think it will be one or two. One of the cash-rich tech firms will buy up maybe the top 30-40 schools across the current P5, and form one or two conferences from that. Three at most.

IF that happens (an Amazon exec said a year ago that is in their plans when the current contracts expire), then the current conferences won't resemble anything like today, b/c all the top earners will be gone elsewhere.
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(01-15-2019 12:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I am still mystified as to why so many think that the Big 12 dies as a P in 2025.

Yes, if Oklahoma and Texas exit, the Big 12 will cease to be a power conference.

But, why would either leave? Both on the field and in terms of $$$, the Big 12 is doing fine, and neither of those schools would have the power they have in the B1G or PAC or SEC that they have ruling the roost in the Big 12.

And for Oklahoma in particular, Nebraska has to be a cautionary tale. Nebraska's "power" has declined dramatically since joining the B1G. Sooners fans can't help but worry that this would befall them as well.

Hey, there is no room for sanity on this forum.
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even if Oklahoma and Texas exit the B12, the B12 would remain a power conference for awhile and finally grab the best of the AAC and MWC. It'll be the slow death that the BE lived through once Miami got the ball rolling.
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There will be 6 Power Conferences.

The AAC schools will flex their size and alumni base to get the media dollars.

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UCF 66,183 (Fall 2017)

Florida 55,862 (Fall 2017

USF 50,755 (2018–2019)

Cincinnati 44,338 (fall 2016)

Houston 42,704



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Alabama 38,563 (system wide)

Missouri 30,870 (Fall 2017)

Louisiana State 30,863 (Fall 2017)

South Carolina 30,720 (2015–16)

Kentucky 30,720 (2015–16)

Auburn 29,776 (Fall 2017)

Tennessee 28,052 (Fall 2016

Arkansas 27,558 (Fall 2017)

Mississippi 23,258 (fall 2017)

Mississippi State 22,214 (2018)

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Kansas and Oklahoma join the Big Ten.

Texas leverages the remaining 7 to let them take their FB Independent and remain an Olympic member of the Big 12 in exchange for 5 OOC FB games per year.

The Big 12 adds 3 from: Houston, Cincy, UCF, and USF.
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(01-15-2019 05:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Kansas and Oklahoma join the Big Ten.

Texas leverages the remaining 7 to let them take their FB Independent and remain an Olympic member of the Big 12 in exchange for 5 OOC FB games per year.

The Big 12 adds 3 from: Houston, Cincy, UCF, and USF.

I think Kansas and Oklahoma would rather go to SEC. And SEC has higher picking order than B1G.

B1G then adds Iowa State and Kansas State.

Texas goes independent like Notre Dame. Their Olympics sports goes to either B1G or ACC.

The remaining pieces go to PAC16. I think PAC will add Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech. Houston has the chance to replace Baylor here.

West Virginia has no choice but going to AAC. If PAC16 picks Houston, Baylor will go to C-USA.
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(01-15-2019 06:43 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(01-15-2019 05:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Kansas and Oklahoma join the Big Ten.

Texas leverages the remaining 7 to let them take their FB Independent and remain an Olympic member of the Big 12 in exchange for 5 OOC FB games per year.

The Big 12 adds 3 from: Houston, Cincy, UCF, and USF.

I think Kansas and Oklahoma would rather go to SEC. And SEC has higher picking order than B1G.

B1G then adds Iowa State and Kansas State.

Texas goes independent like Notre Dame. Their Olympics sports goes to either B1G or ACC.

The remaining pieces go to PAC16. I think PAC will add Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech. Houston has the chance to replace Baylor here.

West Virginia has no choice but going to AAC. If PAC16 picks Houston, Baylor will go to C-USA.

I don't see a rationale why the B1G would add ISU and/or KSU. Iowa State just "duplicates" Iowa (and it's in a "small" state population wise) and K-State's academics would be less than impressive (or acceptable) to the B1G, not to mention it is in a "small" state as well. I'm not even sure the B1G would take KU and it's AAU! I think it's far more likely the B1G would decide to "wait" for the 2035 era when ACC teams MIGHT be available, depending on the ACCN's success, or the lack thereof.
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