Lambert is a great guy, there is no doubting that. I just can't wait to hear the Marshall fans when their defense gets plastered for 50+ and Lambert tells everyone they would have shutout the opponent out if the ball had bounced their way a couple time. It's going to be message board gold.

(01-15-2019 10:19 AM)wh49er Wrote:  I just can't wait to hear the Marshall fans when their defense gets plastered for 50+ and Lambert tells everyone they would have shutout the opponent out if the ball had bounced their way a couple time. It's going to be message board gold.

Lucky for him he doesn't have to do that anymore. That's Doc's job at Marshall.

(01-15-2019 10:24 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:19 AM)wh49er Wrote:  I just can't wait to hear the Marshall fans when their defense gets plastered for 50+ and Lambert tells everyone they would have shutout the opponent out if the ball had bounced their way a couple time. It's going to be message board gold.

Lucky for him he doesn't have to do that anymore. That's Doc's job at Marshall.

True but I'm still hoping for a few of his "awww shucks" comments to show up.

Most of the success of the defense was attributed to Glenn Spencer who took the DC job at FAU. West supposedly worked with our corner backs and pass defense was our weakness whether it be to lack of talent or scheme or combination of the two. It's interesting to see Brad bring coaches with him to Marshall I'd imagine that would fall to Doc's responsibility not Lambert. I will say Lambert was extremely loyal to his friends on staff at the detriment to the product on the field.

Good luck to Brad I hope he does well at Marshall except when they play the niners of course.

(01-15-2019 10:47 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:24 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:19 AM)wh49er Wrote:  I just can't wait to hear the Marshall fans when their defense gets plastered for 50+ and Lambert tells everyone they would have shutout the opponent out if the ball had bounced their way a couple time. It's going to be message board gold.

Lucky for him he doesn't have to do that anymore. That's Doc's job at Marshall.

True but I'm still hoping for a few of his "awww shucks" comments to show up.

Brad got hired to run an FCS Startup program and was then handed an FBS Startup, so I cut him some slack for that. Still, to only learn after year five and a 1-11 season that loyalty to your coaching staff only goes so far in getting the job done showed he doesn't have the cutthroat edge a head football coach needs. Let's hope Healy can be a bit more ruthless with his staff when they falter.

(01-15-2019 10:52 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:47 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:24 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:19 AM)wh49er Wrote:  I just can't wait to hear the Marshall fans when their defense gets plastered for 50+ and Lambert tells everyone they would have shutout the opponent out if the ball had bounced their way a couple time. It's going to be message board gold.

Lucky for him he doesn't have to do that anymore. That's Doc's job at Marshall.

True but I'm still hoping for a few of his "awww shucks" comments to show up.

Brad got hired to run an FCS Startup program and was then handed an FBS Startup, so I cut him some slack for that. Still, to only learn after year five and a 1-11 season that loyalty to your coaching staff only goes so far in getting the job done showed he doesn't have the cutthroat edge a head football coach needs. Let's hope Healy can be a bit more ruthless with his staff when they falter.

Healy can make those calls. I'd like to submit this for evidence: https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/s...291697002/

Chip West wasn't here long, but FWIW, our secondary got much better from game 1 to game 12.

West seems to bring some regard as a recruiter. No doubt has some good relationships throughout the region.

We’ll be fine. I think it’s a solid hire on both coaches. Our defense should be OK next season. Just have DL depth concerns and good corner play. If the offense can improve and take some of the heat off the D, we’ll have another 8-9 win season. Jmo.

(01-15-2019 09:46 AM)moss2k Wrote:  This was my source, shows Fuller at $117,149.05 total comp for 2017.

http://www.transparencywv.org/TotalComp/EmployeeComp

Fuller was LB Position Coach in 2017, not DC. He didn’t become DC until Heater left early 2018.

clt does feel bad for lambert having to move to whatever city is home to Marshall.

(01-15-2019 12:04 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 09:46 AM)moss2k Wrote:  This was my source, shows Fuller at $117,149.05 total comp for 2017.

http://www.transparencywv.org/TotalComp/EmployeeComp

Fuller was LB Position Coach in 2017, not DC. He didn’t become DC until Heater left early 2018.

Thanks for that info. Heater was at $236,448.67 per that resource. I hope Lambert is around that.

(01-15-2019 10:13 AM)moss2k Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:10 AM)_sturt_ Wrote:  49er fans, your impressions of West? What's the general opinion of his reputation as a coach and his body of work?

He was here for 1 year, so not much to take away from his time to be honest.

Looking at his time with Wake as DC, he was awful. First year was good, top 20 in scoring and total D, then they fell to the 60's, and the last year fell to 100+ ranking in both. That tells me he can't get it done.

(01-15-2019 09:46 AM)moss2k Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 12:14 AM)banker Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 11:10 PM)moss2k Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 10:50 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Thanks for taking at least part of his salary obligation off our hands.

Thank you on behalf of all cusa fans in advance for the 15 yard cushions on 3rd and 5s.

It'll be interesting to see if that's how they operate or if Holiday makes him operate within his scheme.

FWIW, Marshall paid their last DC just over $100k, so we're saving some but not much.

I believe our last DC made $175k. Before him we were paying Heater $230k. Fuller didn't have Heater's resume, hence the salary cut. Lambert will probably get at least $200k unless he agreed to take less since he's still getting that sweet Charlotte cash. If that's the case, thanks for subsidizing our program.

This was my source, shows Fuller at $117,149.05 total comp for 2017.

http://www.transparencywv.org/TotalComp/EmployeeComp

Fuller wasnt DC in 2017

(01-14-2019 11:20 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  You Charlotte guys can poo poo it all you want. Some great assistant coaches/coordinators just aren’t meant to be head coaches but excel in their role as coordinators/position coaches.
I’m kinda excited to have him back in the role that he’s in.

We’ll revisit this after you all come to Huntington this year. SMFH

Perfect example of this is the legendary Dick LeBeau…. Great DC for the Pittsburgh Steelers for years but sucked big time as the HC of the Cincinnati Bengals.

(01-15-2019 12:06 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt does feel bad for lambert having to move to whatever city is home to Marshall.

HZed feels bad for Brad for having to put up with a bunch of weenie Charlotte fans who can't understand playing IA ball in a 15K stadium and getting out recruited by everyone around them even newly IA SlAppy is going to be bad for years to come, not even Nick Saban could win there.

You all do realize that some of the recruits actually laugh at your 15K stadium. And understand that is the main reason that Idaho is back in the Big Sky. Charlotte may be taken seriously when you bring your stadium up to what would be considered IA standards.

(01-15-2019 01:05 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 11:20 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  You Charlotte guys can poo poo it all you want. Some great assistant coaches/coordinators just aren’t meant to be head coaches but excel in their role as coordinators/position coaches.
I’m kinda excited to have him back in the role that he’s in.

We’ll revisit this after you all come to Huntington this year. SMFH

Perfect example of this is the legendary Dick LeBeau…. Great DC for the Pittsburgh Steelers for years but sucked big time as the HC of the Cincinnati Bengals.

(01-15-2019 12:06 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt does feel bad for lambert having to move to whatever city is home to Marshall.

HZed feels bad for Brad for having to put up with a bunch of weenie Charlotte fans who can't understand playing IA ball in a 15K stadium and getting out recruited by everyone around them even newly IA SlAppy is going to be bad for years to come, not even Nick Saban could win there.

You all do realize that some of the recruits actually laugh at your 15K stadium. And understand that is the main reason that Idaho is back in the Big Sky. Charlotte may be taken seriously when you bring your stadium up to what would be considered IA standards.

Lambert never recruited players that were being recruited by other schools. He didn’t want to compete for players, so he took crappy ones without offers. The Charlotte high school coaches said that hadn’t seen him in 3-4 years.

Lambert is a good dude and a competent football guy, but he put us in the position we are in with his small minded thinking.

(01-15-2019 12:13 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:13 AM)moss2k Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:10 AM)_sturt_ Wrote:  49er fans, your impressions of West? What's the general opinion of his reputation as a coach and his body of work?

He was here for 1 year, so not much to take away from his time to be honest.

Looking at his time with Wake as DC, he was awful. First year was good, top 20 in scoring and total D, then they fell to the 60's, and the last year fell to 100+ ranking in both. That tells me he can't get it done.

West was also a DC at Wake? I missed that.

To 24's point... I don't know how he felt about Chuck Heater, but I think I'm on safe ground to say most Herd fans who pay attention to more than the surface regarded Heater as an excellent DC... and yet...

When he became a co-DC at Florida in 2010, that defense went backwards from the year before... from a top 5 defense nationally to a more pedestrian 30th in scoring, giving up an additional 50 yards per game.

And comparing Temple before he became their DC to when he left, they went from top 20 in scoring to also-ran, down at 88... and giving up an additional 100+ yards per game.

So that's one example of why I'm one of those... probably one of the many, but not necessarily one of the majority... who take those kinds of numbers into consideration, of course, but definitely not exclusively so. Peeling the onion back at least a layer if not two from the overarching numbers is usually necessary to make a fair assessment with good precision.

(Assuming that a fair assessment is even the goal of the person making the assessment, of course. Sometimes, people have overarching axes to grind. We all understand that, I'm sure.)

(01-15-2019 01:05 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  HZed feels bad for Brad for having to put up with a bunch of weenie Charlotte fans who can't understand playing IA ball in a 15K stadium and getting out recruited by everyone around them even newly IA SlAppy is going to be bad for years to come, not even Nick Saban could win there.

You all do realize that some of the recruits actually laugh at your 15K stadium. And understand that is the main reason that Idaho is back in the Big Sky. Charlotte may be taken seriously when you bring your stadium up to what would be considered IA standards.

We get some of the things that could have caused issues here. We also watched the Lambert era unfold week by week/season by season and you didn't. Schematically we were consistently soft on the outside and we've never had a pass rush under his watch.

Lambert chased kids primarily with FCS offers. Mallard Creek is one of the top HS's in the state and 5 minutes from campus, they hadn't saw Lambert in YEARS.

Great guy, but was over his head here and his numbers at WFU as DC suggest he isn't suited for that either. Happy for you guys though, fully support this hire.

I don't pretend to know how one successfully builds a program from the ground-up, nothing to FBS.

I would imagine a fundamental question, though, would be, how to appropriate time to recruiting different talent levels of guys, not just as a rule, but from year to year.... and moreover, how far geographically to stretch those efforts.

And while Charlotte fans might be unhappy with his decisions in that way, I'm not confident that any of them would have a good basis for assessing what would have happened had he spent more time focused on higher level talents closer to home.

Nothing against any individual on that.

Rather, I think it's a chronic problem that is pervasive among all of us across any area of discussion... people don't know what they don't know, and disregard that they don't know it when they're reaching conclusions.

Maybe many other head coaches would make better decisions in that way. But maybe many others would fail to get the 49er program even to the level it is now. Can't really say with any certainty.

Having said that, just as there came a time for a Sonny Randle to step aside in Huntington, sometimes it's just time for a change to see what can happen, imo, and it probably was that time in Charlotte.

It wasn't about going after higher talents local we weren't in the schools at all. Given the chance to get similar players from Charlotte or Florida I'd rather take the local talent. There is a good chance they will have family/friends attend games and spend money at the school.

All we've seen is one side from the coaches on twitter and maybe 2k has reached some of them directly but local coaches have nothing to gain by saying they haven't had a visit from our staff in years. Maybe they were trying to pawn their non-D1 talent off on us and the staff got tired of it but even then show up and smile and offer them walk-on possibilities.

Regardless as stated earlier I hope he does well at Marshall as long as they aren't playing the niners.