(01-17-2019 11:41 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 11:16 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BE can go back to the hybrid and go full P6.

Army
Connecticut
Temple
Navy
Cincinnati
Memphis
UCF
USF

Could it be enough to pass as a full power league? Could Army and Navy be persuaded to leave the Patriot for it with all the small schools involved?

Since none of those schools are even in a power conference now... no.

Power basketball.

Power football without the deadweight of SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, ECU.

Academy shine.

Dayton? SLU? Yuck. Stay at 10.

(01-17-2019 11:53 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 11:41 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 11:16 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BE can go back to the hybrid and go full P6.

Army
Connecticut
Temple
Navy
Cincinnati
Memphis
UCF
USF

Could it be enough to pass as a full power league? Could Army and Navy be persuaded to leave the Patriot for it with all the small schools involved?

Since none of those schools are even in a power conference now... no.

Power basketball.

Power football without the deadweight of SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, ECU.

Academy shine.

In any case, the current Big East schools would at most find only UConn and--maybe--Cincinnati and Memphis acceptable as full members. You need 8 full, FB-playing members for an FBS conference, and there's no way in all high holy hell they're adding Army or Navy basketball.

(01-17-2019 07:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  Don't recall seeing this on the board when it came out in December, but ran across it today.

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/...expansion/


John Fanta
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“If we go to 11 (schools), we could keep the double Round Robin.” - Val Ackerman on any possible addition.

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“If we were to expand in the future, it would allow us to be flexible with our schedule.” - Val Ackerman. #BIGEAST



By noting that the Big East has the capability of adding more teams, the league could be making a push at adding one or two more teams. Now that other basketball conferences are going to 20-game league schedules, the Big East is only at 18 with a true round-robin schedule already in place. They could add another team and upgrade the conference schedule to more games if they decided to do so...."

Thread from when this Ackerman quote was first reported last month:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-865897.html

(01-18-2019 12:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 07:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  Don't recall seeing this on the board when it came out in December, but ran across it today.

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/...expansion/


John Fanta
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“If we go to 11 (schools), we could keep the double Round Robin.” - Val Ackerman on any possible addition.

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John Fanta
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“If we were to expand in the future, it would allow us to be flexible with our schedule.” - Val Ackerman. #BIGEAST



By noting that the Big East has the capability of adding more teams, the league could be making a push at adding one or two more teams. Now that other basketball conferences are going to 20-game league schedules, the Big East is only at 18 with a true round-robin schedule already in place. They could add another team and upgrade the conference schedule to more games if they decided to do so...."

Thread from when this Ackerman quote was first reported last month:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-865897.html

It was a boring discussion then, just as boring a discussion now.

(01-17-2019 09:04 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Interesting that this article was published today. No statement from the UConn athletic department (yet).

https://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sp-uco...story.html

This quote from your link caught my eye. I would have to assume that the travel expenses for all AAC members are in this range. Thats a pretty significant number.

UConn spent $17 million in coaches' salaries, $16.9 million in athletic scholarships, $14.4 million in support staff and administrative compensation and $7.3 million in team travel.

(01-18-2019 12:45 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 07:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  Don't recall seeing this on the board when it came out in December, but ran across it today.

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/...expansion/


John Fanta
@John_Fanta
“If we go to 11 (schools), we could keep the double Round Robin.” - Val Ackerman on any possible addition.

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John Fanta
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“If we were to expand in the future, it would allow us to be flexible with our schedule.” - Val Ackerman. #BIGEAST



By noting that the Big East has the capability of adding more teams, the league could be making a push at adding one or two more teams. Now that other basketball conferences are going to 20-game league schedules, the Big East is only at 18 with a true round-robin schedule already in place. They could add another team and upgrade the conference schedule to more games if they decided to do so...."

Thread from when this Ackerman quote was first reported last month:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-865897.html

It was a boring discussion then, just as boring a discussion now.

Well, the thread quoted has 41 pages.

(01-18-2019 12:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 09:04 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Interesting that this article was published today. No statement from the UConn athletic department (yet).

https://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sp-uco...story.html

This quote from your link caught my eye. I would have to assume that the travel expenses for all AAC members are in this range. Thats a pretty significant number.

UConn spent $17 million in coaches' salaries, $16.9 million in athletic scholarships, $14.4 million in support staff and administrative compensation and $7.3 million in team travel.

Screams that UConn. needs UMass., James Madison, Stony Brook, ODU, Army and Buffalo to help cut cost down. UConn. would still travel far in the Big East.

I feel I should note that the Big East certainly doesn't need to expand in order to increase their conference schedule to 20 games. All they need to do is have each team play 2 opponents a third time (example below).


This way you avoid the awkward scheduling that comes with having an odd number of teams.

(01-18-2019 04:55 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I feel I should note that the Big East certainly doesn't need to expand in order to increase their conference schedule to 20 games. All they need to do is have each team play 2 opponents a third time (example below).

Code:

BUTLER          DePaul          Xavier          
CREIGHTON       Xavier          Marquette      
DEPAUL          Marquette       Butler          
GEORGETOWN      Villanova       St. John's      
MARQUETTE       Creighton       DePaul          
PROVIDENCE      Seton Hall      Villanova      
SETON HALL      St. John's      Providence      
ST. JOHN'S      Georgetown      Seton Hall      
VILLANOVA       Providence      Georgetown      
XAVIER          Butler          Creighton

This way you avoid the awkward scheduling that comes with having an odd number of teams.

I believe there’s a rule that schools can’t play more than twice during the regular season. I have no link but I feel fairly confident I saw that somewhere.

(01-18-2019 09:34 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 04:55 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I feel I should note that the Big East certainly doesn't need to expand in order to increase their conference schedule to 20 games. All they need to do is have each team play 2 opponents a third time (example below).

Code:

BUTLER          DePaul          Xavier          
CREIGHTON       Xavier          Marquette      
DEPAUL          Marquette       Butler          
GEORGETOWN      Villanova       St. John's      
MARQUETTE       Creighton       DePaul          
PROVIDENCE      Seton Hall      Villanova      
SETON HALL      St. John's      Providence      
ST. JOHN'S      Georgetown      Seton Hall      
VILLANOVA       Providence      Georgetown      
XAVIER          Butler          Creighton

This way you avoid the awkward scheduling that comes with having an odd number of teams.

I believe there’s a rule that schools can’t play more than twice during the regular season. I have no link but I feel fairly confident I saw that somewhere.

Also, a number of teams already play a third time (in the BET). Any increase to the games between teams would water down the product, IMO.

there's no rule against playing teams in conference 3 times..... I believe we may see it this year in CUSA with what they're doing....

So in any case the Atlantic 10 will be getting watered down and lowered in status again. Conference realignment continues to hit the MVC and A10. Has been a real boost for #8 NET and RPI ranked MAC. UConn going to Big East would probably have the AAC backfill affect the A10 somehow too. UMass will be making a move soon somewhere depending on A10 losses (Dayton or St. Louis) and degraded A10 TV contract. UMass doesn't belong in a league full of small private schools.

And there will be an odd-man out with Dayton, St. Louis, UMass.

If Dayton moves to Big East it would be a big blow for the A10 competitively and also geographically for St. Louis so they would be the next to leave A10 because it wouldn't make sense for them to stay. With St. Louis and Dayton gone in this scenario, UMass leaves too.

if Uconn leaves, then AAC backfills with UMass? or the souther AAC teams just decide to abandon outlier of the northeast and thus UMass desire of joining AAC falls.

If St. Louis leaves for Big East, it will degrade A10 and A10 TV contract and Dayton and UMass will be getting more antsy.

(01-18-2019 09:59 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  So in any case the Atlantic 10 will be getting watered down and lowered in status again. Conference realignment continues to hit the MVC and A10. Has been a real boost for #8 NET and RPI ranked MAC. UConn going to Big East would probably have the AAC backfill affect the A10 somehow too. UMass will be making a move soon somewhere depending on A10 losses (Dayton or St. Louis) and degraded A10 TV contract. UMass doesn't belong in a league full of small private schools.

Yeah I'd kind of guess the move that might happen would be add a football only team to replace UConn in football, and then add VCU in basketball....

I like jumping to 14 with e/w divisions. Add UConn and Umass to the east side and St. Louis and Dayton to the west side. Get a deal with the Mac to send UConn and Umass football to them as football only...might not be realistic. Now if you want to get crazy you could also add BYU to the west and VCU or temple to the east and jump to 16.

https://apnews.com/6d704448c5814814bb325338427ea71b

The AP is now picking up on yesterday's budget story. It definitely paints a bleak picture.

UConn is currently paying the highest subsidies in the nation. According to the numbers, the football program is the largest expense. Between Edsall taking only $1 million salary, the OC leaving for SMU last year, and Edsall paying out-of-pocket to give a pay-increase to his current OC, it is also clear that they are struggling to pay for competitive coaching salaries.

(01-18-2019 12:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 09:04 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Interesting that this article was published today. No statement from the UConn athletic department (yet).

https://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sp-uco...story.html

This quote from your link caught my eye. I would have to assume that the travel expenses for all AAC members are in this range. Thats a pretty significant number.

UConn spent $17 million in coaches' salaries, $16.9 million in athletic scholarships, $14.4 million in support staff and administrative compensation and $7.3 million in team travel.

Yeah, that number is ridiculous, but the cost of doing business with a conference that reaches out that far (imagine if they nabbed Air Force, or kept Boise and SDSU?). Someone said the Big East would be similar? To UConn, half of the conference is a bus league.

I think the Big East is ready to move on this. I think UConn is trying to accomplish something, too, but I don't think it puts the two onto a collision course. I wish it would, though.

I really don't want to see Dayton leave the A10, but I also don't want to see the Big East take St. Louis.

(01-18-2019 10:24 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 09:04 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Interesting that this article was published today. No statement from the UConn athletic department (yet).

https://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sp-uco...story.html

This quote from your link caught my eye. I would have to assume that the travel expenses for all AAC members are in this range. Thats a pretty significant number.

UConn spent $17 million in coaches' salaries, $16.9 million in athletic scholarships, $14.4 million in support staff and administrative compensation and $7.3 million in team travel.

Yeah, that number is ridiculous, but the cost of doing business with a conference that reaches out that far (imagine if they nabbed Air Force, or kept Boise and SDSU?). Someone said the Big East would be similar? To UConn, half of the conference is a bus league.

I think the Big East is ready to move on this. I think UConn is trying to accomplish something, too, but I don't think it puts the two onto a collision course. I wish it would, though.

I really don't want to see Dayton leave the A10, but I also don't want to see the Big East take St. Louis.

The argument that UConn's travel wouldn't be improved is humorous. Pictures taken off of Twitter:





UConn would add five schools that are within DRIVING DISTANCE for Olympic Sports. That number can also increase to six, since Cincinnati is a common city for both leagues.

just looking 2018 fiscal year would be 2017-18 season, so...
had men's basketball trips to Portland for PK80, Arizona, Auburn
had women's bb trips to Florida St, LSU, Notre Dame, Kansas St, Nebraska, and Maryland OOC
football- road games at Virginia, SMU, Temple, UCF, and Cincy, also to Boston for game at Fenway Park

so they're doing a good bit OOC that's adding to the travel.

It'd be interesting to see what the team travel expenses were back 6 years ago..... to see how different that is.

The seeds appear to be planting for a UConn Big East return as they would be a logical #11 team. Its going to come down to this new AAC contract. If UConn is delegated to Tier 2 status in an unequal payout structure, I gotta think they take the Big East lifeline and mirror UMass for Indy football.