(01-22-2019 04:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 03:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The problem here is there is zero benefit for the AAC---so I dont know why the AAC would sign on to that. They'd be better off on their own since most of the G5 vs P5 games are in the AAC footprint.

The AAC upgrades its bowl lineup. Liberty Bowl AND Armed Forces Bowl with the Big 12 and SEC replace the Birmingham slot. Trade in the Boca Raton Bowl for the First Responders Bowl against P5 opponent. Gasparilla Bowl becomes an annual P5 matchup. Upgraded locations and opponents at the bottom of the lineup too.

I just dont see the Liberty making that deal and I think the AAC has a decent chance of landing most or all of the G5 vs P5 bowls east of the Rockies in the next bowl cycle.

A new bowl in Greenville AAC vs. MAC/SBC means that not only is the SBC out for a western bowl next cycle but also the AAC won't be absorbing travel costs out to Hawaii.

https://wcti12.com/sports/content/report...me-in-2020

The MAC will probably still go out west if they can get 2 perms out of the MWC. Another possibility is giving the MAC 4 slots a piece in Boise and Hawaii with BYU/Army getting a total of 4 slots in Bosie/Hawaii. Both bowls make a ton of sense for BYU in areas with a big Mormon presence.

The MAC to get to 6 tie-ins (36 slots over 6 years) could do 4 slots a piece in 9 different bowl games.

(01-23-2019 11:33 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A new bowl in Greenville AAC vs. MAC/SBC means that not only is the SBC out for a western bowl next cycle but also the AAC won't be absorbing travel costs out to Hawaii.

https://wcti12.com/sports/content/report...me-in-2020

The MAC will probably still go out west if they can get 2 perms out of the MWC. Another possibility is giving the MAC 4 slots a piece in Boise and Hawaii with BYU/Army getting a total of 4 slots in Bosie/Hawaii. Both bowls make a ton of sense for BYU in areas with a big Mormon presence.

The MAC to get to 6 tie-ins (36 slots over 6 years) could do 4 slots a piece in 9 different bowl games.

Here is the thing with the MW. For an isolated G5 conference, they have done an excellent job making sure that every single MW bowl is inside of their footprint. It means that MW teams are always effectively the 'home" team in their bowls and the opponent is always traveling out of footprint. Its a nice benefit for MW traveling fans. Sure, sometimes the MW gets a bowl slot where they travel outside of their home western footprint--but by and large, the MW has a done a good job of giving all their bowl teams post season destinations within their footprint.

(01-23-2019 01:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 11:33 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A new bowl in Greenville AAC vs. MAC/SBC means that not only is the SBC out for a western bowl next cycle but also the AAC won't be absorbing travel costs out to Hawaii.

https://wcti12.com/sports/content/report...me-in-2020

The MAC will probably still go out west if they can get 2 perms out of the MWC. Another possibility is giving the MAC 4 slots a piece in Boise and Hawaii with BYU/Army getting a total of 4 slots in Bosie/Hawaii. Both bowls make a ton of sense for BYU in areas with a big Mormon presence.

The MAC to get to 6 tie-ins (36 slots over 6 years) could do 4 slots a piece in 9 different bowl games.

Here is the thing with the MW. For an isolated G5 conference, they have done an excellent job making sure that every single MW bowl is inside of their footprint. It means that MW teams are always effectively the 'home" team in their bowls and the opponent is always traveling out of footprint. Its a nice benefit for MW traveling fans. Sure, sometimes the MW gets a bowl slot where they travel outside of their home western footprint--but by and large, the MW has a done a good job of giving all their bowl teams post season destinations within their footprint.

Right because it used to be two G5 conference out west in the MWC and WAC and not on which permitted more western bowl games to be developed.

Established bowls like Hawaii and Boise have the edge over newbies since there is more confidence they'll remain solvent over the bowl cycle.

IMO I don't believe its in the AAC's interest to send its 4th/5th/6th place teams out west just to have them bowling when they can set up new games out east, new games the MAC/CUSA/SBC would be happy to play in.

There has been talk of a second game in Las Vegas for the MWC but I don't see how they pull that one off without PAC support. Holiday will drop down to about the #5 PAC/B1G picks if they move the game to Petco. San Diego did have two bowls but the decision was to go back down to just sponsoring 1 again.

The PAC's big problem has been trying to get P5 ties out west which has allowed the MWC to creep in, and deservedly so with MWC 1.0 including TCU, Utah and BYU. With new stadiums in Las Vegas and Los Angeles its a game changer for attracting P5s to go out west.

(01-23-2019 02:17 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 01:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 11:33 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A new bowl in Greenville AAC vs. MAC/SBC means that not only is the SBC out for a western bowl next cycle but also the AAC won't be absorbing travel costs out to Hawaii.

https://wcti12.com/sports/content/report...me-in-2020

The MAC will probably still go out west if they can get 2 perms out of the MWC. Another possibility is giving the MAC 4 slots a piece in Boise and Hawaii with BYU/Army getting a total of 4 slots in Bosie/Hawaii. Both bowls make a ton of sense for BYU in areas with a big Mormon presence.

The MAC to get to 6 tie-ins (36 slots over 6 years) could do 4 slots a piece in 9 different bowl games.

Here is the thing with the MW. For an isolated G5 conference, they have done an excellent job making sure that every single MW bowl is inside of their footprint. It means that MW teams are always effectively the 'home" team in their bowls and the opponent is always traveling out of footprint. Its a nice benefit for MW traveling fans. Sure, sometimes the MW gets a bowl slot where they travel outside of their home western footprint--but by and large, the MW has a done a good job of giving all their bowl teams post season destinations within their footprint.

Right because it used to be two G5 conference out west in the MWC and WAC and not on which permitted more western bowl games to be developed.

Established bowls like Hawaii and Boise have the edge over newbies since there is more confidence they'll remain solvent over the bowl cycle.

IMO I don't believe its in the AAC's interest to send its 4th/5th/6th place teams out west just to have them bowling when they can set up new games out east, new games the MAC/CUSA/SBC would be happy to play in.

There has been talk of a second game in Las Vegas for the MWC but I don't see how they pull that one off without PAC support. Holiday will drop down to about the #5 PAC/B1G picks if they move the game to Petco. San Diego did have two bowls but the decision was to go back down to just sponsoring 1 again.

The PAC's big problem has been trying to get P5 ties out west which has allowed the MWC to creep in, and deservedly so with MWC 1.0 including TCU, Utah and BYU. With new stadiums in Las Vegas and Los Angeles its a game changer for attracting P5s to go out west.

Its not really in any conferences "best interests" to go to a bowl out west if a reasonably equal option is available "in footprint". They generally only go when they have no real alternative or the western option offers considerably more money.

(01-23-2019 11:33 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A new bowl in Greenville AAC vs. MAC/SBC means that not only is the SBC out for a western bowl next cycle but also the AAC won't be absorbing travel costs out to Hawaii.

https://wcti12.com/sports/content/report...me-in-2020

The MAC will probably still go out west if they can get 2 perms out of the MWC. Another possibility is giving the MAC 4 slots a piece in Boise and Hawaii with BYU/Army getting a total of 4 slots in Bosie/Hawaii. Both bowls make a ton of sense for BYU in areas with a big Mormon presence.

The MAC to get to 6 tie-ins (36 slots over 6 years) could do 4 slots a piece in 9 different bowl games.

This would be a great bowl to negotiate with the AAC and P5 conferences like the ACC, B-10, SEC and B-12 if it paid enough. All of these conferences have schools within driving distance for their last tier choices. Independent Army might be interested too as an opponent for the AAC.

(01-23-2019 02:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its not really in any conferences "best interests" to go to a bowl out west if a reasonably equal option is available "in footprint". They generally only go when they have no real alternative or the western option offers considerably more money.

When USF was in the Big East, one of our tie-ins was the Sun Bowl. I always liked that tie, and not only because the Sun is a venerable old-school bowl, but also because to me it was a chance for our conference to 'wave the flag' out west, far from our footprint.

Yes, the travel costs were somewhat higher, but it was an added treat for fans who can go, and it can be a good thing to gain exposure in another part of the country.

(01-23-2019 02:40 PM)panite Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 11:33 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A new bowl in Greenville AAC vs. MAC/SBC means that not only is the SBC out for a western bowl next cycle but also the AAC won't be absorbing travel costs out to Hawaii.

https://wcti12.com/sports/content/report...me-in-2020

The MAC will probably still go out west if they can get 2 perms out of the MWC. Another possibility is giving the MAC 4 slots a piece in Boise and Hawaii with BYU/Army getting a total of 4 slots in Bosie/Hawaii. Both bowls make a ton of sense for BYU in areas with a big Mormon presence.

The MAC to get to 6 tie-ins (36 slots over 6 years) could do 4 slots a piece in 9 different bowl games.

This would be a great bowl to negotiate with the AAC and P5 conferences like the ACC, B-10, SEC and B-12 if it paid enough. All of these conferences have schools within driving distance for their last tier choices. Independent Army might be interested too as an opponent for the AAC.

I agree with the sentiment.

However the edge is always with the established bowl vs. the new bowl game. P5's would feel safer bumping up Birmingham or Annapolis than a newbie in Greenville.

(01-23-2019 02:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 02:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its not really in any conferences "best interests" to go to a bowl out west if a reasonably equal option is available "in footprint". They generally only go when they have no real alternative or the western option offers considerably more money.

When USF was in the Big East, one of our tie-ins was the Sun Bowl. I always liked that tie, and not only because the Sun is a venerable old-school bowl, but also because to me it was a chance for our conference to 'wave the flag' out west, far from our footprint.

Yes, the travel costs were somewhat higher, but it was an added treat for fans who can go, and it can be a good thing to gain exposure in another part of the country.

It also paid fairly well, was against a P5 team, and only required traveling to Texas (granted---very far west Texas, but still Texas). Hell, if the AAC had a shot at the Sun Bowl---we'd be all over it.

(01-23-2019 03:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 02:40 PM)panite Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 11:33 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A new bowl in Greenville AAC vs. MAC/SBC means that not only is the SBC out for a western bowl next cycle but also the AAC won't be absorbing travel costs out to Hawaii.

https://wcti12.com/sports/content/report...me-in-2020

The MAC will probably still go out west if they can get 2 perms out of the MWC. Another possibility is giving the MAC 4 slots a piece in Boise and Hawaii with BYU/Army getting a total of 4 slots in Bosie/Hawaii. Both bowls make a ton of sense for BYU in areas with a big Mormon presence.

The MAC to get to 6 tie-ins (36 slots over 6 years) could do 4 slots a piece in 9 different bowl games.

This would be a great bowl to negotiate with the AAC and P5 conferences like the ACC, B-10, SEC and B-12 if it paid enough. All of these conferences have schools within driving distance for their last tier choices. Independent Army might be interested too as an opponent for the AAC.

I agree with the sentiment.

However the edge is always with the established bowl vs. the new bowl game. P5's would feel safer bumping up Birmingham or Annapolis than a newbie in Greenville.

Get the bowl started with the conferences that are interested. Make it a stable bowl and when the next bowl cycle comes around P5 conferences that surround it might be interested with a pay out that they feel is up to their standards. This might be an opportunity for G5 members to play a rotating P5 conference then.

(01-23-2019 03:17 PM)panite Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 03:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 02:40 PM)panite Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 11:33 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A new bowl in Greenville AAC vs. MAC/SBC means that not only is the SBC out for a western bowl next cycle but also the AAC won't be absorbing travel costs out to Hawaii.

https://wcti12.com/sports/content/report...me-in-2020

The MAC will probably still go out west if they can get 2 perms out of the MWC. Another possibility is giving the MAC 4 slots a piece in Boise and Hawaii with BYU/Army getting a total of 4 slots in Bosie/Hawaii. Both bowls make a ton of sense for BYU in areas with a big Mormon presence.

The MAC to get to 6 tie-ins (36 slots over 6 years) could do 4 slots a piece in 9 different bowl games.

This would be a great bowl to negotiate with the AAC and P5 conferences like the ACC, B-10, SEC and B-12 if it paid enough. All of these conferences have schools within driving distance for their last tier choices. Independent Army might be interested too as an opponent for the AAC.

I agree with the sentiment.

However the edge is always with the established bowl vs. the new bowl game. P5's would feel safer bumping up Birmingham or Annapolis than a newbie in Greenville.

Get the bowl started with the conferences that are interested. Make it a stable bowl and when the next bowl cycle comes around P5 conferences that surround it might be interested with a pay out that they feel is up to their standards. This might be an opportunity for G5 members to play a rotating P5 conference then.

Right because with the 50,000 stadium why couldn't it be on the tier of the Liberty Bowl or Sun Bowl within due time?

(01-23-2019 04:46 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 03:17 PM)panite Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 03:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 02:40 PM)panite Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 11:33 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A new bowl in Greenville AAC vs. MAC/SBC means that not only is the SBC out for a western bowl next cycle but also the AAC won't be absorbing travel costs out to Hawaii.

https://wcti12.com/sports/content/report...me-in-2020

The MAC will probably still go out west if they can get 2 perms out of the MWC. Another possibility is giving the MAC 4 slots a piece in Boise and Hawaii with BYU/Army getting a total of 4 slots in Bosie/Hawaii. Both bowls make a ton of sense for BYU in areas with a big Mormon presence.

The MAC to get to 6 tie-ins (36 slots over 6 years) could do 4 slots a piece in 9 different bowl games.

This would be a great bowl to negotiate with the AAC and P5 conferences like the ACC, B-10, SEC and B-12 if it paid enough. All of these conferences have schools within driving distance for their last tier choices. Independent Army might be interested too as an opponent for the AAC.

I agree with the sentiment.

However the edge is always with the established bowl vs. the new bowl game. P5's would feel safer bumping up Birmingham or Annapolis than a newbie in Greenville.

Get the bowl started with the conferences that are interested. Make it a stable bowl and when the next bowl cycle comes around P5 conferences that surround it might be interested with a pay out that they feel is up to their standards. This might be an opportunity for G5 members to play a rotating P5 conference then.

Right because with the 50,000 stadium why couldn't it be on the tier of the Liberty Bowl or Sun Bowl within due time?

Gitter done!!!!!!!!!!!

I said the MAC could sign up to 9 bowls with 4 slots a piece.

If the MAC is going to put 4 slots into Detroit and Chicago to make those lower tier B1G/ACC games work that is 2 more bowls there. They've already committed to Myrtle Beach so that would be 3.

MAC is already involved with 6 games as it is with Boise, Montgomery, Mobile, Boca, Frisco and Bahamas. Where would slots for the BBQ bowl fit in? They would have to dump Boise or Frisco.

MWC may be forced into coming east for a couple of games.

(01-23-2019 05:00 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I said the MAC could sign up to 9 bowls with 4 slots a piece.

If the MAC is going to put 4 slots into Detroit and Chicago to make those lower tier B1G/ACC games work that is 2 more bowls there. They've already committed to Myrtle Beach so that would be 3.

MAC is already involved with 6 games as it is with Boise, Montgomery, Mobile, Boca, Frisco and Bahamas. Where would slots for the BBQ bowl fit in? They would have to dump Boise or Frisco.

MWC may be forced into coming east for a couple of games.

Wouldnt be surprised if the Frisco Bowl moves. There are 4 bowls in the Dallas-Ft Worth area. Seems a little over saturated to me.