(01-21-2019 10:33 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  For those wanting to dump Tulsa and Tulane, I'm sure if the legislation to hold a conference game with 10 members was still in place the AAC/Big East wouldn't have added them.

BE FB would be:

UConn
Temple
Cincy
Memphis
UCF
USF
Houston
SMU
ECU (FB only)
Navy (FB only)

The Catholic 7 might have been able to stomach that arrangement, added a 16th member to balance things out.

Those schools definitely wouldn't be added--- however, I still think the C7 schools were on their way out anyway.

(01-20-2019 12:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Adding the western schools would give the AAC a lock on the G5 NY6 bid. This would be sound decision if the P5 stay static. If a change does occur then the top AAC schools will be contending for P5 spots and spreading the AAC footprint would not be wise.

Would a lock on one game - the G5 NY6 bid - be worth the headaches and additional travel costs for all sports for schools already straining with over budget costs to keep up with the P5 schools. The AAC is already straining with the travel they currently have to endure because the conference is so spread out. Also Boise refused to join the AAC before with out additional concessions for increased costs to the east coast. Don't see that changing in the future either. The AAC does not need more mouths to feed just with additional travel costs just to "guarantee" getting the at large NY6 bowl bid.

(01-21-2019 11:40 AM)panite Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 12:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Adding the western schools would give the AAC a lock on the G5 NY6 bid. This would be sound decision if the P5 stay static. If a change does occur then the top AAC schools will be contending for P5 spots and spreading the AAC footprint would not be wise.

Would a lock on one game - the G5 NY6 bid - be worth the headaches and additional travel costs for all sports for schools already straining with over budget costs to keep up with the P5 schools. The AAC is already straining with the travel they currently have to endure because the conference is so spread out. Also Boise refused to join the AAC before with out additional concessions for increased costs to the east coast. Don't see that changing in the future either. The AAC does not need more mouths to feed just with additional travel costs just to "guarantee" getting the at large NY6 bowl bid.

No Boise state didn't refuse to join the AAC. Boise thought that they were in a position to play the AAC against the mwc for a sweetheart deal and,,,,,, the AAC said no dice. I predict that if the g5 get an auto-bid BSU and BYU along with maybe a couple others will join the AAC to become the defacto p6.

Boise State backed out of the Big East/AAC because the Broncos couldn't find a great situation for Olympic sports and the MWC made a really nice counter-offer. The Big West was a down-grade for Olympic sports and was going to require travel subsidies. The MWC provided Boise with the special TV deal. Boise's Big East back-track had nothing to do with playing football on the East Coast.

Boise State has recently played OOC football games in Georgia, Connecticut, Virginia, Louisiana, and Alabama. Future OOC games scheduled in Florida, West Virginia, Texas, Michigan, Georgia, Ohio, and North Carolina.

The proposed AAC expansion would absolutely work if football only. The question is whether the western schools could find a decent landing spot for their Olympic sports.

AAC football programs already show that they are willing to travel westward for football games.

- Cincinnati has recently played at BYU and at UCLA and has a future road game at Boise State.
- ECU is playing ANOTHER series with BYU and has a future series with Boise State.
- Houston has series with Washington St., Colorado, BYU, Boise St., and Utah.
- Memphis just finished a series with UCLA.
- Navy played at Hawaii last year and had a series with San Jose State.
- South Florida recently played at San Jose State and has a future series with BYU.
- Tulsa has upcoming series with San Jose State and Wyoming.
- UCF has played at BYU and Stanford.
- UConn has recently played both BYU and Boise State.

And, UConn's $8M travel budget relates more to its 22 Olympic sports than its football travel budget. AAC football expansion would hardly affect UConn's travel budget.

(01-19-2019 02:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  https://bellyupsports.com/2019/01/defini...ranking/#1

The internal links are pretty good too.

Also germane is this guy does the math behind what a solid sixth P conference might look like for those of you enamored of that concept.

A media exec might want to view these stats after excluding the best and worst team in each conference; maybe the best two and worst two in the larger conferences. The SEC dominance would likely magnify. The SEC depth gives them value beyond the top performer.
How would the Big 12 look statistically without Texas and Oklahoma. ESPN and Fox execs could probably tell you off-the-top-of- their-heads.

(01-23-2019 09:06 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 02:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  https://bellyupsports.com/2019/01/defini...ranking/#1

The internal links are pretty good too.

Also germane is this guy does the math behind what a solid sixth P conference might look like for those of you enamored of that concept.

A media exec might want to view these stats after excluding the best and worst team in each conference; maybe the best two and worst two in the larger conferences. The SEC dominance would likely magnify. The SEC depth gives them value beyond the top performer.
How would the Big 12 look statistically without Texas and Oklahoma. ESPN and Fox execs could probably tell you off-the-top-of- their-heads.

Or to put it another way, how much more would Texas and Oklahoma actually be worth if placed into a better lineup?

(01-21-2019 10:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 10:33 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  For those wanting to dump Tulsa and Tulane, I'm sure if the legislation to hold a conference game with 10 members was still in place the AAC/Big East wouldn't have added them.

BE FB would be:

UConn
Temple
Cincy
Memphis
UCF
USF
Houston
SMU
ECU (FB only)
Navy (FB only)

The Catholic 7 might have been able to stomach that arrangement, added a 16th member to balance things out.

Those schools definitely wouldn't be added--- however, I still think the C7 schools were on their way out anyway.

The C7, through back channels, learned of its potential TV value to Fox in early December 2012. This was around when they originally had the meeting with Aresco to discuss their concerns they had with the direction and future of the conference. This was also immediately after Tulane was invited as an all-sports member and ECU as a football-only. Around this time, CBS reported that the value of the league was around $60 million per year (down significantly from the $100 million that Aresco was telling/promoting to the Presidents/ADs).

Ultimately, and ironically, the C7 would not have known its market value unless it became frustrated and discontent with the current set-up. Had they not known about Fox's desire to acquire their basketball rights, I'm guessing they would have been quite content with the $100 million deal (along with a probable 80/20 split), knowing that tournament credits would likely still be coming in, and that they would remain on ESPN.