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Interesting topic. The P5 conferences and any conference with a major TV deal would most likely require you be either all in or all out, Notre Dame not withstanding, since there TV deals were for more than just basketball and football.

Ideally a conference like the AAC would just be for revenue sports. So, for example, ECU wouldn't have to send their volleyball team to Texas every year and could enter a regional pool with SoCon, Big South, and Southern CAA, CUSA, and SunBelt schools.

However, as stated, most non FBS conferences have wisely self regionalzied, the CAA not withstanding, so outside of CUSA, Sunbelt, and AAC it's hard to see what would change
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RE: NCAA conference question
(01-25-2019 12:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Interesting topic. The P5 conferences and any conference with a major TV deal would most likely require you be either all in or all out, Notre Dame not withstanding, since there TV deals were for more than just basketball and football.

Ideally a conference like the AAC would just be for revenue sports. So, for example, ECU wouldn't have to send their volleyball team to Texas every year and could enter a regional pool with SoCon, Big South, and Southern CAA, CUSA, and SunBelt schools.

However, as stated, most non FBS conferences have wisely self regionalzied, the CAA not withstanding, so outside of CUSA, Sunbelt, and AAC it's hard to see what would change

With Idaho and NMSU not being renewed the MWC doesn’t share a state with any other G5 conference but does share New Mexico with independent NMSU.
The MAC shares Ohio with the AAC and New York with independent Army.
After that it gets messy.
Texas AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt
Oklahoma AAC
Arkansas Sun Belt
Louisiana AAC CUSA Sun Belt
Mississippi CUSA
Tennessee AAC CUSA
Kentucky CUSA
Alabama CUSA Sun Belt
Georgia Sun Belt
Florida AAC CUSA
South Carolina Sun Belt
North Carolina AAC CUSA Sun Belt
Virginia CUSA and independent Liberty
West Virginia CUSA
Pennsylvania AAC
Connecticut AAC

Three states with three G5 leagues. Three with two G5 leagues.

The problem is much of the messiness is incurable. The Arkstfan rule of realignment comes into play. When you aren’t in survival mode you want conference mates who are close but not too close. You don’t want to compete with conference mates for the attention of the same newspapers and television stations and the same pool of potential ticket buyers. You cannot avoid bumping heads in recruiting but you don’t want to share your local base with a conference rival.

SMU and UNT aren’t going to align except in crisis. Houston has twice voluntarily ended affiliation with Rice. When ULM and La Tech were affiliated in the Southland ULM improved and seemed to do so at the expense of Tech. It seems unlikely that UTSA and Texas State easily affiliate again TXST wouldn’t turn down CUSA with the other Texas schools but would probably prefer to not do so with UTSA and UTSA isn’t going to be the leading advocate for TXST. UTEP resisted adding NMSU to the WAC until they were needed for survival then bailed at first chance.

There is no magic wand that puts those schools together except a survival crisis.
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(01-23-2019 01:44 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Similar question, but slightly different: since both football & men’s basketball are both $$ makers (and even women’s basketball)would it be possible to have a league consist of just football & men & women”s basketball?? I have never seen a conference look like that before, and I could see it helping out schools like UConn & Temple. Just think if you get all of a team’s strongest sports, but teams like UCONN’s track team would be able to join the Big East & Temple”s baseball team could play in the A10.

Again, one of the prime drivers is to limit the number of conferences in the NCAA basketball tournament.

So these one sport deals don't work. They can't arbitrarily lock schools out of the basketball tourney.
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RE: NCAA conference question
(01-25-2019 09:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-23-2019 01:44 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Similar question, but slightly different: since both football & men’s basketball are both $$ makers (and even women’s basketball)would it be possible to have a league consist of just football & men & women”s basketball?? I have never seen a conference look like that before, and I could see it helping out schools like UConn & Temple. Just think if you get all of a team’s strongest sports, but teams like UCONN’s track team would be able to join the Big East & Temple”s baseball team could play in the A10.

Again, one of the prime drivers is to limit the number of conferences in the NCAA basketball tournament.

So these one sport deals don't work. They can't arbitrarily lock schools out of the basketball tourney.

Precisely. If you could get an autobid to the Tourney as a single sport BBall conference, there'd very quickly be a lot more D1 BBall conferences and a lot fewer of the other sports at D1. And "a lot more autobids to the Tourney from formerly Div2 schools" is not what the media partners of the NCAA Tourney want to see.

Why does the conference have to sponsor all of those sports? To prove that it is made up of schools that are at least that close to belonging with the A5 conferences, which can, after all, easily sponsor all of those sports without breaking a sweat.
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RE: NCAA conference question
(01-25-2019 12:49 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 09:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-23-2019 01:44 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Similar question, but slightly different: since both football & men’s basketball are both $$ makers (and even women’s basketball)would it be possible to have a league consist of just football & men & women”s basketball?? I have never seen a conference look like that before, and I could see it helping out schools like UConn & Temple. Just think if you get all of a team’s strongest sports, but teams like UCONN’s track team would be able to join the Big East & Temple”s baseball team could play in the A10.

Again, one of the prime drivers is to limit the number of conferences in the NCAA basketball tournament.

So these one sport deals don't work. They can't arbitrarily lock schools out of the basketball tourney.

Precisely. If you could get an autobid to the Tourney as a single sport BBall conference, there'd very quickly be a lot more D1 BBall conferences and a lot fewer of the other sports at D1. And "a lot more autobids to the Tourney from formerly Div2 schools" is not what the media partners of the NCAA Tourney want to see.

Why does the conference have to sponsor all of those sports? To prove that it is made up of schools that are at least that close to belonging with the A5 conferences, which can, after all, easily sponsor all of those sports without breaking a sweat.

Yes. It's a bunch of compromises. The big boys think that there are already way too many March Madness autobids. The mid-majors and low-majors want to keep their places at the table. The compromises are that everyone who meets the D-I criteria (including the mandatory number of varsity sports) gets an autobid, that the D-I criteria discourage a lot of other schools and conferences from moving into D-I, the rules that discourage the formation of new D-I conferences, and the rule that the NCAA tournament will have at least one at-large place for every autobid that is given out.
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The other thing is: Title IX isn’t about equal sports, it’s about equal scholarships (as I understand it). So having a conference of FBS FB, and MBB and WBB would result in 85 more men’s schollies and would not be compliant.
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RE: NCAA conference question
(01-25-2019 01:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 12:49 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 09:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-23-2019 01:44 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Similar question, but slightly different: since both football & men’s basketball are both $$ makers (and even women’s basketball)would it be possible to have a league consist of just football & men & women”s basketball?? I have never seen a conference look like that before, and I could see it helping out schools like UConn & Temple. Just think if you get all of a team’s strongest sports, but teams like UCONN’s track team would be able to join the Big East & Temple”s baseball team could play in the A10.

Again, one of the prime drivers is to limit the number of conferences in the NCAA basketball tournament.

So these one sport deals don't work. They can't arbitrarily lock schools out of the basketball tourney.

Precisely. If you could get an autobid to the Tourney as a single sport BBall conference, there'd very quickly be a lot more D1 BBall conferences and a lot fewer of the other sports at D1. And "a lot more autobids to the Tourney from formerly Div2 schools" is not what the media partners of the NCAA Tourney want to see.

Why does the conference have to sponsor all of those sports? To prove that it is made up of schools that are at least that close to belonging with the A5 conferences, which can, after all, easily sponsor all of those sports without breaking a sweat.

Yes. It's a bunch of compromises. The big boys think that there are already way too many March Madness autobids. The mid-majors and low-majors want to keep their places at the table. The compromises are that everyone who meets the D-I criteria (including the mandatory number of varsity sports) gets an autobid, that the D-I criteria discourage a lot of other schools and conferences from moving into D-I, the rules that discourage the formation of new D-I conferences, and the rule that the NCAA tournament will have at least one at-large place for every autobid that is given out.

I think Division I ought to have tighter standards similar to FBS. An attendance standard is pointless because there is no way to prevent bulk buys but only requiring awarding 50% of scholarships is a joke. A strong Division II can move making no real change in annual operating budget.
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