(05-05-2019 02:28 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The MWC TV deals are a bit different. Hawai'i is off the continent and has their own local deal, so not part of the package, and Boise State is allowed into perpetuity to make it's own extra deal (with ESPN) and so gets almost twice as much as everyone else; BSU got $1.8M, the rest of the MWC $1.1M in the old deal.

There is great difference within the MWC. SDSU is moving to a smaller stadium in 2 years and they expect fans will have to buy season tickets, so they are all for late kickoffs and Friday games for additional national exposure. Other schools like Fresno State, San Jose State and several mountain schools where the weather can be cold and spritzy are concerned with lost gate revenue from late starts. The consensus is there is not going to be much more money in the next deal, so lost gate and lack of fan attendance continuity is a greater concern than a even a couple $100K a year in media revenue. (This is the opposite opinion of the MAC which plays it's November games on weeknights with horrible attendance, and even pay the productions costs for the TV -- they probably eats half the money they supposedly get from ESPN.)

There is not going to be a huge gain in money. They wont see the collapse in revenue C-USA saw (from $1.1M per school down to $200K), nor will they get the big bump the AAC did (although Boise State is likely to get a boost for some of it's games, probably will get double the rest of the MWC schools get). Also the MWC wants a contract in the 6 year range, not 12 years.

The West is just too spread out and too far from anything else. The MWC is what it is. There isn't a big pot of money out there. If there was a big reorg as a new conference would happen pulling in BYU and Gonzaga. So it will remain what it is.

Hawaii does have their own deal with Spectrum, but they still have home games appearing under the MWC TV deal. This season Hawaii plays eight home games, with three on CBSSN (Arizona, Air Force, Army). Boise does not have a separate deal with ESPN, they just get a bigger slice of the TV revenue that that the MWC collects.

Let's face it, night games in November for mountain division schools are tough. Even October can be rough. For the west division schools it is no problem, especially for UNLV once they move into their domed stadium in 2020. I think they do a six year deal and reup with ESPN and CBS as the main partners. I think they can get $3 million per school, I just don't know what they do with the games that are not on ESPN or CBSSN. Do they go to ESPN+ or something like Amazon Prime?

Given that the MWC is negotiating a new TV deal right now, the lineup for 2019 is kind of moot. Here's a good article on the state of that new deal:

https://www.abqjournal.com/1308039/mwc-m...1556461809

Go with FloSports.

Just kidding.

(05-02-2019 08:08 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  NBC makes offer?

Like they did with the AAC? NBC only see's ND. Let em have soccer and hockey.

I'd like to see the MWC have a TV deal with NBCSN and/or NBC along with the ESPN deal. I imagine CBSSN will pay decent money for the Mountain West. It's probably their best football and basketball product that I can think of that isn't sublicensed.

If you look at the AAC deal ESPN made the AAC get off CBSSN for ESPN+.

Either then the MWC continues with CBSSN and does a split streaming deal or it goes all in with ESPN.

My guess is ESPN will pony up the $$$ to get the MWC on ESPN+ with choose your own tip times then a limited linear deal for Boise, SDSU ect. who want night game exposure.

Maybe NBC buys the MWC and creates an NBC Sports Gold pass for some games?

6 yrs ago NBC offered AAC 13 million a yr 40 FB & 45 BB games
I can see NBC offering 20 to 30 million
ESPN would have to match for other half
Ocean (Hawaii cable) & CBSSN still might get a piece

It might not be bad idea to expand into Tex with UTEP & UTSA.
Boise would be bumped to Pacific, would get 4 games in warm weather,
instead of 2. Mountain schools would gain 3 games in warm weather.
If it improves atten like MWC claims, both schools would pay for themselves
Just in atten gains, BB starts & atten would also improve
Being in Tex would help ratings, recruiting players & students
Bigger CBB tourn

(05-06-2019 04:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Given that the MWC is negotiating a new TV deal right now, the lineup for 2019 is kind of moot. Here's a good article on the state of that new deal:

https://www.abqjournal.com/1308039/mwc-m...1556461809

This was the UNM 2018 home schedule with attendance. All start times are local:

September 1 6:00 p.m. Incarnate Word 18,213
September 29 4:00 p.m. Liberty 18,804
October 20 5:30 p.m. Fresno State 16,708 (ESPNU)
November 3 8:15 p.m. San Diego State 14,646 (ESPNU)
November 16 7:00 p.m. Boise State 16,883 (CBSSN)
November 24 12:30 p.m. Wyoming 14,269

New Mexico plays in a stadium with a seating capacity of 39,224. Their attendance issues have nothing to do with day or night games. This is typical for MWC schools. The attendance does not change much between day and night games. It is cold in November no matter what time of day the game is played. The bottom line is that they need to maximize their TV revenue.

Under the new AAC TV deal starting in 2020, the games that have been sub-licensed to CBSSN will likely be with the ESPN family of Networks. There were 12 games sub-licensed to CBSSN in 2018, these games started at 3:30 or 7:00 in the east. The time slots should be available on CBSSN in the future and could go to the MWC. That would help put some additional MWC games in the daytime.

I would think that CBS and ESPN would continue in their same roles with the MWC, with the CBSSN adding 6-8 football games to their current 22 game TV schedule with the MWC. Then the only question is where to the Tier 3 rights go? In 2018, San Jose State played four straight weeks in the daytime, with one game going to ESPN3, another going to Facebook and the other two going to AT&T Sports Network. The MWC needs to find a consistent Tier 3 option, whatever that is.

(05-07-2019 04:27 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 08:08 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  NBC makes offer?

Like they did with the AAC? NBC only see's ND. Let em have soccer and hockey.

AAC never went to open market. Didn't even talk to CBS/CBSsports other than our small basketball ota package and the Navy tier sold to CBSsports for start times. The AAC took 7-7.5 million a year per team deal (ESPN, Navy tier, OTA CBS) and went home.

The MWC has no where near the numbers and NBC was not interested in them when they did offer the AAC in 2013, so I doubt they will be now with no real changes.

(05-07-2019 12:59 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  It might not be bad idea to expand into Tex with UTEP & UTSA.
Boise would be bumped to Pacific, would get 4 games in warm weather,
instead of 2. Mountain schools would gain 3 games in warm weather.
If it improves atten like MWC claims, both schools would pay for themselves
Just in atten gains, BB starts & atten would also improve
Being in Tex would help ratings, recruiting players & students
Bigger CBB tourn

Thompson doesn't come with that kind of vision.

Not sure those two would add a lot although location is ideal and there aren't any other "home" teams in their markets. The MWC basically ran away from UTEP. North Texas and Rice though? They are bigger geographical reach and have saturated markets already in DFW and Houston. So maybe some two (or four) schools from the combination of those and Texas State might work.

(05-07-2019 05:06 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Under the new AAC TV deal starting in 2020, the games that have been sub-licensed to CBSSN will likely be with the ESPN family of Networks. There were 12 games sub-licensed to CBSSN in 2018, these games started at 3:30 or 7:00 in the east. The time slots should be available on CBSSN in the future and could go to the MWC. That would help put some additional MWC games in the daytime.

The CAA I believe is picking those timeslots up per their agreement.

(05-07-2019 08:44 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 05:06 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Under the new AAC TV deal starting in 2020, the games that have been sub-licensed to CBSSN will likely be with the ESPN family of Networks. There were 12 games sub-licensed to CBSSN in 2018, these games started at 3:30 or 7:00 in the east. The time slots should be available on CBSSN in the future and could go to the MWC. That would help put some additional MWC games in the daytime.

The CAA I believe is picking those timeslots up per their agreement.

The CBS Sports Network is adding a Linear TV package with the CAA for basketball, not football.