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Nike schools implicated in corruption
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nike-school...10675.html

No surprise. It would be strange if Adidas were doing it, but Nike was doing nothing.

Quote:South Carolina-based attorney Andrew Mathias, part of Code’s defense team, declined comment on behalf of his client Friday.

The defense team also submitted an August 2017 text conversation between Kansas coach Bill Self and former Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola, a cooperating witness for the government who was described in court as an Adidas “bag man” and admitted to making multiple payments to help secure players for schools outfitted by the company. In that text exchange, the two discussed making Kansas the top recruiting priority at Adidas.

“In my mind it’s KU Bill Self,” Gassnola texted. “Everyone else falls into line, to [expletive] bad, that’s what’s right for adidas Basketball. And I know Iam RIGHT. The more you win, have lottery picks. And you happy. That’s how it should work in my mind.”

Self responded: “That’s how ur works. At unc and Duke.”

“Kentucky as well,” Gassnola replied.
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Unfortunately, Nike has politics going for it, IMO. Have the individual states or federal marshals investigate, and I think the Nike schools get what they deserve.
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(02-18-2019 03:02 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Unfortunately, Nike has politics going for it, IMO. Have the individual states or federal marshals investigate, and I think the Nike schools get what they deserve.

Pfft.. considering none of the Adidas got into significant trouble, I imagine it will be the same for the Nike schools. Some sacrificial lambs (assistants, a school or two that is not considered too big to fail) may get their neck slit, but that is about it.
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As others have pointed out, the fascinating part will be if heads roll down the totem pole or the FBI and media keeps up its witchhunt against the bluebloods.

(09-26-2017 05:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay, how far down the line this scam also effected? A couple big name D2 schools are sponsored by the same company who basketball teams went to the tournament as well.

Bellarmine
Northwest Missouri State
West Alabama
Chaminade
Grand Valley State
Florida Tech
Lindenwood
Mount Olive

Those are some big name schools in D2. We may have to watch these as well to see how far and who was being nabbed by the FBI.
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(02-16-2019 01:57 PM)orangefan Wrote:  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nike-school...10675.html

No surprise. It would be strange if Adidas were doing it, but Nike was doing nothing.

Quote:South Carolina-based attorney Andrew Mathias, part of Code’s defense team, declined comment on behalf of his client Friday.

The defense team also submitted an August 2017 text conversation between Kansas coach Bill Self and former Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola, a cooperating witness for the government who was described in court as an Adidas “bag man” and admitted to making multiple payments to help secure players for schools outfitted by the company. In that text exchange, the two discussed making Kansas the top recruiting priority at Adidas.

“In my mind it’s KU Bill Self,” Gassnola texted. “Everyone else falls into line, to [expletive] bad, that’s what’s right for adidas Basketball. And I know Iam RIGHT. The more you win, have lottery picks. And you happy. That’s how it should work in my mind.”

Self responded: “That’s how ur works. At unc and Duke.”

“Kentucky as well,” Gassnola replied.

Who or what is ur?
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Nike has been there before. It doesn't seem to have hurt their bottom line.
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(02-18-2019 09:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-16-2019 01:57 PM)orangefan Wrote:  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nike-school...10675.html

No surprise. It would be strange if Adidas were doing it, but Nike was doing nothing.

Quote:South Carolina-based attorney Andrew Mathias, part of Code’s defense team, declined comment on behalf of his client Friday.

The defense team also submitted an August 2017 text conversation between Kansas coach Bill Self and former Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola, a cooperating witness for the government who was described in court as an Adidas “bag man” and admitted to making multiple payments to help secure players for schools outfitted by the company. In that text exchange, the two discussed making Kansas the top recruiting priority at Adidas.

“In my mind it’s KU Bill Self,” Gassnola texted. “Everyone else falls into line, to [expletive] bad, that’s what’s right for adidas Basketball. And I know Iam RIGHT. The more you win, have lottery picks. And you happy. That’s how it should work in my mind.”

Self responded: “That’s how ur works. At unc and Duke.”

“Kentucky as well,” Gassnola replied.

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(02-18-2019 09:55 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-18-2019 09:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-16-2019 01:57 PM)orangefan Wrote:  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nike-school...10675.html

No surprise. It would be strange if Adidas were doing it, but Nike was doing nothing.

Quote:South Carolina-based attorney Andrew Mathias, part of Code’s defense team, declined comment on behalf of his client Friday.

The defense team also submitted an August 2017 text conversation between Kansas coach Bill Self and former Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola, a cooperating witness for the government who was described in court as an Adidas “bag man” and admitted to making multiple payments to help secure players for schools outfitted by the company. In that text exchange, the two discussed making Kansas the top recruiting priority at Adidas.

“In my mind it’s KU Bill Self,” Gassnola texted. “Everyone else falls into line, to [expletive] bad, that’s what’s right for adidas Basketball. And I know Iam RIGHT. The more you win, have lottery picks. And you happy. That’s how it should work in my mind.”

Self responded: “That’s how ur works. At unc and Duke.”

“Kentucky as well,” Gassnola replied.

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really not been a good month for Nike. First that, and now what happened with Zion last night at Duke.... Read their stock shares dropped about 2% this morning.
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So, Self accused Duke? That’s a dead man walking now.

I said it before about Duke and Coach K that basketball operations function on a whole different level there with his work with Team USA over the years. So different from the rest of D1, it might be impossible to really directly pin such charges against him or those of value in his program.

And when a program is perceived and partially rooted in this different culture, do you want to see what it’s like for you when you’re making a claim against that? Self thinks he has dirt, and maybe he does...do you REALLY want Duke and Coach K coming right back at you?
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I'm not looking to go after any individual school here, or to exonerate any. But what seems to me to be a possible outcome here is a recognition by the NCAA that these aren't rogue schools. This is likely to be so widespread that they could conclude that this is the norm for college basketball at the highest level. That this, ugly as it is, is just the way business is done, and can't just be laid at the feet of a few bad apples.

Which puts them in a very awkward position. Do you ban the entire top 20 teams in your sport from playing in the cash cow tournament that pays the bills for everybody else? Do you pretend that one of them, like Duke or Carolina, is above it all and should be protected like a sacred cow?

Or perhaps you accept that your own out of date rules about what constitutes "amateurism" are the root cause of this pervasive problem, and you make a sea change in the rules while declaring a general amnesty for violations that occured up to now.

I see this morning that the NBA is going to examine making the draft age 18. I'm afraid that alone won't fix this problem for the NCAA. They are still going to have to make major changes within their own organization. But maybe this action by the NBA can be the trigger for a wholesale reexamination of rules, regardless of the outcome of the pending Alston case. I hope so.
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(02-22-2019 09:13 AM)ken d Wrote:  I'm not looking to go after any individual school here, or to exonerate any. But what seems to me to be a possible outcome here is a recognition by the NCAA that these aren't rogue schools. This is likely to be so widespread that they could conclude that this is the norm for college basketball at the highest level. That this, ugly as it is, is just the way business is done, and can't just be laid at the feet of a few bad apples.

Which puts them in a very awkward position. Do you ban the entire top 20 teams in your sport from playing in the cash cow tournament that pays the bills for everybody else? Do you pretend that one of them, like Duke or Carolina, is above it all and should be protected like a sacred cow?

Or perhaps you accept that your own out of date rules about what constitutes "amateurism" are the root cause of this pervasive problem, and you make a sea change in the rules while declaring a general amnesty for violations that occured up to now.

I see this morning that the NBA is going to examine making the draft age 18. I'm afraid that alone won't fix this problem for the NCAA. They are still going to have to make major changes within their own organization. But maybe action by the NBA can be the trigger for a wholesale reexamination of rules, regardless of the outcome of the pending Alston case. I hope so.

I feel like these conversations always seem to meander back to amateurism and whether to pay players. My issue is less about whether players are paid, and more about competition, level playing field, parity.

Take NASCAR for instance (not a fan but it's a decent analogy). It's called "stock car" racing, implying that cars have to be set to factory standards(obviously not the case anymore), or all modified the same way. No one cares if the cars get wider tires, bigger brakes, or bigger engines as long as they all do. No one cares if the NFL salary cap goes up by $50m this year, as long as it applies to all 32 teams.

Yes, it's possible that all the top 20 teams are paying money through shoe companies to get the best players, but I doubt teams in the Horizon League are paying (or paying/receiving as much) to get their players.

Pay the kids, buy them hookers, get their mom a job, buy their grandma a house, but do it all the same way.
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(02-22-2019 09:38 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  I feel like these conversations always seem to meander back to amateurism and whether to pay players. My issue is less about whether players are paid, and more about competition, level playing field, parity.

Take NASCAR for instance (not a fan but it's a decent analogy). It's called "stock car" racing, implying that cars have to be set to factory standards(obviously not the case anymore), or all modified the same way. No one cares if the cars get wider tires, bigger brakes, or bigger engines as long as they all do. No one cares if the NFL salary cap goes up by $50m this year, as long as it applies to all 32 teams.

Yes, it's possible that all the top 20 teams are paying money through shoe companies to get the best players, but I doubt teams in the Horizon League are paying (or paying/receiving as much) to get their players.

Pay the kids, buy them hookers, get their mom a job, buy their grandma a house, but do it all the same way.

I think, in this case at least, it's not just amateurism in college sports, but the funneling system underneath these sports, especially in basketball. What's not really fair to the NCAA is that it starts so much earlier in the career span of the player. Kids start showing up at camps, and now they're avoiding the public school system for this private or charter school, and then getting into one special circuit, before filtering to the NCAA.

The NCAA here is left holding the ball of what happens all points up to the kid arriving at the school. Yes, the schools who buy in and start collecting from this operation should be chastised and made an example, but I don't think this is all on schools exploiting students. Others have already profited or gained some kind of unfair benefit or advantage from the system.

Really, had the NBA allowed kids to enter the pros right after high school and kept it that way, or had it properly developed a semi-pro feeder system (and here is where the NCAA and its members should have stood united in rejecting the de facto system of what was to come), this probably isn't as pronounced anymore?

However, I would never expect the "one rule for all" to ever go over in the NCAA, because it is higher ed, and pecking order is part of its ridiculous "legacy" or "tradition" portfolio. That deep down at these schools, there is a sense of entitlement to greatness and benefits because of the name on the door. It's a safe space for anti-competitive behaviors.
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