(02-18-2019 09:57 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 08:38 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 04:37 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  http://www.collegiateconsulting.com/news...lity-study


West Texas A&M had a feasibility study completed too as of last week. If C-Mesa really does eventually get an invite that would give legs to WAC FCS football.

In reading the Collegiate Consulting release, it looks like their study was focused on fundraising prospects, rather than on adding football. That could well be lying some groundwork, but does not appear that a move-up is coming in the next few years.

The problem is that these projects were already started. Why do a study when you already did the ground work a few years ago?

The ground work for the projects may have been a few years ago. However they need to pay for them and to get the donations Collegiate Consulting helped them identify donors with deep pockets. They should have done that earlier, but better late than never.

It is the same company that Dixie State did theirs. West Texas A&M would have been ranked 3rd in the WAC in RPI for men's basketball. It would help make WAC becoming stronger getting the best schools in D2 in the money sports.

(02-18-2019 06:15 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  Move to appropriate section if this is not where it should be. I know how stuff like this can be controversial of where it's posted.

Collegiate Consulting accuses Colorado-Mesa of making up their WAC invite in tweet.

"Who from the WAC actually invited you @coloradomesau, - since this is news to WAC - if you don't want to be DI, don't be DI, don't make up invitations, that were not extended."

The consulting firm has worked with Dixie State, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Tarelton State, CS Los Angeles, and Metro State on their WAC feasibility studies and potential/official WAC moves. They have worked with UTRGV, Seattle U, UMKC, Utah Valley, CS-Bakersfield in past on other studies.

It appears Jeff Hurd's daughter or some type of relative, Shannon Hurd, works at the firm as well when looking at website

Very odd tweet, but I do find it interesting in the CMU article, it mentions how multiple RMAC schools have been invited by the WAC. Collegiate Consulting has worked with almost every WAC member directly this past decade and two recent RMAC invitees, but not CMU

Where's APU? I guess this is confirmation that they aren't interested at the present time.

(02-18-2019 07:51 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  The most interesting part of this, to me, is that apparently Collegiate Consulting is making money doing work for the WAC seeking out new members, and making money doing studies on moving to D-I for all of the WAC's prospective members.

Basically, the WAC is paying them, and then the schools that want to be in the WAC are paying them. Interestingly, it appears Colorado-Mesa ISN'T paying them, which would lead me to ask some questions were I associated with Colorado-Mesa. Do you need to be a Collegiate Consulting client to get a WAC invite? Is this conflict of interest disclosed to all clients?

What other consultants are out there?

Does Collegiate Consulting EVER tell a client "we think you should stay where you are right now"?

(02-19-2019 12:33 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 07:51 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  The most interesting part of this, to me, is that apparently Collegiate Consulting is making money doing work for the WAC seeking out new members, and making money doing studies on moving to D-I for all of the WAC's prospective members.

Basically, the WAC is paying them, and then the schools that want to be in the WAC are paying them. Interestingly, it appears Colorado-Mesa ISN'T paying them, which would lead me to ask some questions were I associated with Colorado-Mesa. Do you need to be a Collegiate Consulting client to get a WAC invite? Is this conflict of interest disclosed to all clients?

What other consultants are out there?

Does Collegiate Consulting EVER tell a client "we think you should stay where you are right now"?

Collegiate Consulting has done plenty of programs in Texas and around the country. I am not sure if they did Angelo State (TX)'s review. However, the 2011 findings of that study determined that it was best for Angelo to remain D2.... so there's that

(02-18-2019 08:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:31 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  David State-Gate

Is it David Street or David State?

It's the first two letters of his last name.

Question since I'm not actually in the business. How does a consultant actually earn their pay? What do they do to make a recommendation of option A or option B? How do they gather this information? Is a consultant an easy excuse for executive level management to blame if the wrong decision is made? Just curious.

(02-18-2019 08:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:31 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  David State-Gate

Is it David Street or David State?

David Saint

(02-19-2019 07:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 08:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:31 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  David State-Gate

Is it David Street or David State?

David Saint

Saint David of CSNBBS

Sounds like a great money making plan for the consultants--get paid on both ends.

(02-19-2019 08:50 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 07:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 08:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:31 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  David State-Gate

Is it David Street or David State?

David Saint

Saint David of CSNBBS

Patron Saint of Lost Expansion Causes and FBS Upgrades

(02-19-2019 08:50 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 07:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 08:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:31 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  David State-Gate

Is it David Street or David State?

David Saint

Saint David of CSNBBS

Not just the Realignment forum, but the WAC board. They love Nostradavid’s premonitions.

(02-19-2019 02:30 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 08:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:31 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  David State-Gate

Is it David Street or David State?

It's the first two letters of his last name.

Hmmmmm...could go anywhere with that.

(02-18-2019 08:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:31 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  David State-Gate

Is it David Street or David State?

well his dream conference of 52 D1-AA and DII move ups named The Big David Street Conference would not make sense

The Big David State Conference makes sense

I smell a conflict of interest her if the WAC's head guy's daughter works for the consultant company. The problem about getting Metro State would be a problem. You already have 5 schools in D1 sharing the Denver market. There is no way Metro could get the fan support at D1. Colorado Mesa could thrive better at D1 since they would not battle the big 5 schools already in D1. They are on the other side of the state.

(02-19-2019 04:41 PM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  Question since I'm not actually in the business. How does a consultant actually earn their pay? What do they do to make a recommendation of option A or option B? How do they gather this information? Is a consultant an easy excuse for executive level management to blame if the wrong decision is made? Just curious.

There's no canon of ethics or statute on the books governing consultants. Basically, the clients sign a contract with the consultant stating the terms of the agreement and the scope of the consultant's work. You could hire a consultant to analyze your athletic department, or to make suggestions about your supply chain, or to evaluate your parts department. Could be anything.

You can ask a binary question like "Should we elevate our athletic department to Division I?" or something open ended like "Figure out how to save us money."

Theoretically, if the consultant has a material conflict of interest (like, say, was being paid by Entity A to find prospective business partners, and you hired them to evaluate whether you should do business with Entity A), that would need to be disclosed in the terms of the contract. Otherwise you could have fraud.

A consulting firm would say companies hire consultants because consultants have particularized expertise in an area that the company may not. A skeptic would agree with you- it's a way to outsource blame should a company go in the wrong direction.

the big mistake in hiring a consultant was not hiring David State

(02-20-2019 07:14 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 04:41 PM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  Question since I'm not actually in the business. How does a consultant actually earn their pay? What do they do to make a recommendation of option A or option B? How do they gather this information? Is a consultant an easy excuse for executive level management to blame if the wrong decision is made? Just curious.

There's no canon of ethics or statute on the books governing consultants. Basically, the clients sign a contract with the consultant stating the terms of the agreement and the scope of the consultant's work. You could hire a consultant to analyze your athletic department, or to make suggestions about your supply chain, or to evaluate your parts department. Could be anything.

You can ask a binary question like "Should we elevate our athletic department to Division I?" or something open ended like "Figure out how to save us money."

Theoretically, if the consultant has a material conflict of interest (like, say, was being paid by Entity A to find prospective business partners, and you hired them to evaluate whether you should do business with Entity A), that would need to be disclosed in the terms of the contract. Otherwise you could have fraud.

A consulting firm would say companies hire consultants because consultants have particularized expertise in an area that the company may not. A skeptic would agree with you- it's a way to outsource blame should a company go in the wrong direction.

The ethical firms bring real expertise looking at the facilities and how suitable they would be for different scenarios. What Sun Belt or CUSA might expect in a member isn't necessarily what Southland or WAC might expect.
I've seen some good ones done and they look at sports sponsorship drilling down into how many students express an interest in a sport, how many play it at the high school level within the state and region compared to other sports.
The capacity of the school to meet tutoring needs, the registar office's knowledge of NCAA eligibility and admission rules. Comparisons of salaries at similar schools and staff and support staff sizes.

Travel costs and issues. I saw one that noted that a school would be able to charter football out of the local airport with no problems and fly commercial in hoops but if they joined a less regional conference they were interested in that baseball would have to either charter or travel to another city to fly because there virtually no commercial flights that could accommodate the baseball team.

I also saw one that failed to account for the fact that adding football would create more demand for the existing weight room than could be met given the small size of the facility

(02-19-2019 02:11 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 12:33 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 07:51 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  The most interesting part of this, to me, is that apparently Collegiate Consulting is making money doing work for the WAC seeking out new members, and making money doing studies on moving to D-I for all of the WAC's prospective members.

Basically, the WAC is paying them, and then the schools that want to be in the WAC are paying them. Interestingly, it appears Colorado-Mesa ISN'T paying them, which would lead me to ask some questions were I associated with Colorado-Mesa. Do you need to be a Collegiate Consulting client to get a WAC invite? Is this conflict of interest disclosed to all clients?

What other consultants are out there?

Does Collegiate Consulting EVER tell a client "we think you should stay where you are right now"?

Collegiate Consulting has done plenty of programs in Texas and around the country. I am not sure if they did Angelo State (TX)'s review. However, the 2011 findings of that study determined that it was best for Angelo to remain D2.... so there's that

I'd love to see their analysis for UMKC to leave the Summit for the highly unstable WAC. It's one of the oddest and worst moves made by a school in recent realignment history.