(02-23-2019 10:04 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 03:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Coach Boeheim will be coaching Saturday night versus Duke.

https://www.nunesmagician.com/2019/2/22/...lue-devils

I got to be honest, tragic and accidental as it probably was, this makes Syracuse look horrible.

You have the right to intervene and say the dude needs to sit out a bit to reflect that he, oh yeah, accidentally killed someone.

But, I know that's expecting way too much from a school. A "moral compass?" What's that?

There is no right answer. The family of the deceased thought the game should be cancelled. You can get on your soap box from any position and still be right.

(02-23-2019 10:04 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 03:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Coach Boeheim will be coaching Saturday night versus Duke.

https://www.nunesmagician.com/2019/2/22/...lue-devils

I got to be honest, tragic and accidental as it probably was, this makes Syracuse look horrible.

You have the right to intervene and say the dude needs to sit out a bit to reflect that he, oh yeah, accidentally killed someone.

But, I know that's expecting way too much from a school. A "moral compass?" What's that?

This does not reflect on Syracuse at all, IMO.

(02-23-2019 01:03 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 10:04 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 03:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Coach Boeheim will be coaching Saturday night versus Duke.

https://www.nunesmagician.com/2019/2/22/...lue-devils

I got to be honest, tragic and accidental as it probably was, this makes Syracuse look horrible.

You have the right to intervene and say the dude needs to sit out a bit to reflect that he, oh yeah, accidentally killed someone.

But, I know that's expecting way too much from a school. A "moral compass?" What's that?

This does not reflect on Syracuse at all, IMO.

I'm not sure I'd agree. Boeheim might be physically fine to return to work, but the mental impact...seems to imply some holes in school policy and overall operations. Or the kind of situation that will serve as a future call to arms.

I think the school green-lighting him to come right back to work brings the university right into this when, before, it may not have. However, the family of the victim thought the game should have been cancelled outright; imo, have the coach sit this one out, and you don't bring the school into this and focus it toward those directly involved in the incident.

I just think the school had ways to get above this. It's choosing not to. Agreed, no right or easy answer. Sadly, not surprising from higher ed.

EDIT: FWIW, I'm not upset about Boeheim coaching tonight because I feel bad things should happen to him. I feel like he shouldn't be coaching because his employer should honestly know better and be looking out for the guy. This situation just sucks for all involved. And dare I say it, any fraction of his mind on these events is a portion of risk nobody should have to assume. Built tough and doing what he loves is noble and all...but it's outmoded.

Peace be with them.

I had my best friend hit/killed by a car while she was standing on the side of the road with a wrecker. It remains one of the most devastating events of my life. To get that totally unexpected call at 3 in the morning from her son in absolute hysterics was horrifying. As just a good friend of the deceased it took me months to process the incident and return to some emotional normal.

I feel for the family and friends. I feel for JB. There are no words for how awful this type of event is.

cjb

Prayers all around, horrible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...178e737a57

(02-23-2019 01:27 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  EDIT: FWIW, I'm not upset about Boeheim coaching tonight because I feel bad things should happen to him. I feel like he shouldn't be coaching because his employer should honestly know better

Yes. My problem with him coaching is that, three days after the death, if anyone deserves to have 30,000 people in an arena showering them with support it is the family of the deceased, not coach Boeheim, and yet everyone knew the latter was what was going to happen.

Again, I wish no ill-will towards JB about this at all. I am sure it will be hard for him living with it going forward, I don't envy him that and am glad I don't have to. But the family of the deceased has it worse.

(02-24-2019 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes. My problem with him coaching is that, three days after the death, if anyone deserves to have 30,000 people in an arena showering them with support it is the family of the deceased, not coach Boeheim, and yet everyone knew the latter was what was going to happen.

Yeah. It came off as cheap, really. ESPN and Cuse getting in on a moment they have no business in which to be. And it was distracting during the telecast.

The deceased deserved better. The players deserved better. Us at home didn’t need to be constantly reminded. And while the game was therapeutic for JB, he deserved better.

If I accidentally killed someone on Wed, I'd HIGHLY doubt that I would be able to perform a high level job on Sat. I'm surprised he coached the game.

(02-25-2019 08:03 AM)miko33 Wrote:  If I accidentally killed someone on Wed, I'd HIGHLY doubt that I would be able to perform a high level job on Sat. I'm surprised he coached the game.

I'm certain that I wouldn't. But performing at a high level was not a reason for Boeheim to be on the sidelines for that game. I believe he was on that sideline to accept an outpouring of love and support from what has truly been his family for almost 60 years. I don't believe offering that love and support in any way disrespects the family of the deceased. Perhaps if there were even a hint that Boeheim was culpable, either legally or morally, that might not be the case. But this was simply a tragic accident, and all involved must grieve in their own way. There is no wrong way to grieve.

(02-23-2019 10:29 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 10:04 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 03:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Coach Boeheim will be coaching Saturday night versus Duke.

https://www.nunesmagician.com/2019/2/22/...lue-devils

I got to be honest, tragic and accidental as it probably was, this makes Syracuse look horrible.

You have the right to intervene and say the dude needs to sit out a bit to reflect that he, oh yeah, accidentally killed someone.

But, I know that's expecting way too much from a school. A "moral compass?" What's that?

For a great many people the best way they know how to cope with tragedy is to bury ones self in their work.

This.

Burying yourself in work is a lot healthier than many of the other alternatives.

After my newborn son died, I was back at work the next day. I took off 3 days later for the funeral, but some things just can't be passed on to others on short notice. I did the professional thing, buried my feelings for a few days, and was better able to process things later in the week.

(02-25-2019 10:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  But performing at a high level was not a reason for Boeheim to be on the sidelines for that game.

I think that creates some problems and other questions. Again, if he’s not 100%, and, iirc, Cuse is a bubble team, how is this serving the players, fans, or the school?

He might not be right for some time. Doesn’t the school owe some stakeholders and players a bit more?

I don’t disagree overall about the nobility of the gesture, and totally understand how the work burying thing impacts you from the effects of such withdrawal. It just creates a lot more distracting questions and attention on the school/employer. It’s a disappointing sidenote to a situation with no winners.

It seems there's people in this thread who want to hate on Boeheim because he's Boeheim and a grade A *******. Y'all would likely be complaining no matter what he did.

Everyone handles grief in their own way. I went to work the day after my Grandfather, one of the most important people in my life, died because I knew I would better be able to handle the situation personally if I were doing something instead of sitting around the house with the rest of my family with nothing to do.

Speaking with friends in law enforcement who have been involved with line of duty shootings they to a person say the worst part of dealing with the situation is just sitting at home doing nothing because all you do is use that time to second guess yourself.

(02-25-2019 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Speaking with friends in law enforcement who have been involved with line of duty shootings they to a person say the worst part of dealing with the situation is just sitting at home doing nothing because all you do is use that time to second guess yourself.

The withdrawal/removal thing is legit. I had a rotten day on Friday with a supervisor who really crossed the line with some stuff. It was a rough weekend with a lot of stewing. A lot of introspection. A lot of questioning the timeline of events. A lot of angst over what potentially may happen next, reasonable and rational to the irrational and silly.

But, it is what it is. And the removal from the scene, I can really appreciate that (of all things, there was a family emergency, a true rescue from the situation), because the inability for further involvement and risk aversion. You know what I don't have to worry about? Being triggered or goaded to further respond to a total POS and weakening any kind of claim I might have against the person.

It sounds like Boeheim is one heck of a person. But, consider what would happen were he not to have been in full control of emotions. This is why so many places, even if all seems okay, will simply put someone on ice. It might be worse for a guy like Boeheim in his state...it's better for the rest of those who employ or answer to him. And can be standard for some organizations on their employees, because there is just little to no appetite for the possible risks.

(02-25-2019 04:43 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Speaking with friends in law enforcement who have been involved with line of duty shootings they to a person say the worst part of dealing with the situation is just sitting at home doing nothing because all you do is use that time to second guess yourself.

The withdrawal/removal thing is legit. I had a rotten day on Friday with a supervisor who really crossed the line with some stuff. It was a rough weekend with a lot of stewing. A lot of introspection. A lot of questioning the timeline of events. A lot of angst over what potentially may happen next, reasonable and rational to the irrational and silly.

But, it is what it is. And the removal from the scene, I can really appreciate that (of all things, there was a family emergency, a true rescue from the situation), because the inability for further involvement and risk aversion. You know what I don't have to worry about? Being triggered or goaded to further respond to a total POS and weakening any kind of claim I might have against the person.

It sounds like Boeheim is one heck of a person. But, consider what would happen were he not to have been in full control of emotions. This is why so many places, even if all seems okay, will simply put someone on ice. It might be worse for a guy like Boeheim in his state...it's better for the rest of those who employ or answer to him. And can be standard for some organizations on their employees, because there is just little to no appetite for the possible risks.

Cutter, I think you might think differently after reading how the game was framed

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...devastated