I agree with Mongoose. The MWC status quo is better for Hawaii than independence in the current CFB structure.

HOWEVER, I do think the PAC 12 could make an opportunity out of it. Play SIX games against Hawaii every season. 3 in Honolulu, 3 in PAC 12 stadiums. All games in October and November.... Each PAC 12 school would play Hawaii every other year, and play in Honolulu once in 4 years. Stack the schedules and use the Hawaii games to help with bye weeks and other openings created by Notre Dame v. USC and Stanford games.

Hawaii and BYU sign a long-term home-away deal - games in October and November or even December...

Hawaii would have a quality 7-game late-season schedule from which to work. Fill out Week 0 and September with non-PAC/BYU opponents and Hawaii only needs one other non-September game...rotate among other independents? Army-Umass, NMSU, Liberty? Or, could be an FCS opponent, if needed.

The PAC 12 purchases all Hawaii home inventory to the PAC 12 media contract and network for a relatively meager payout to Hawaii (but a nice increase for Hawaii compared to the current MWC contract). That's 6-7 new games of inventory for the PAC 12.

The PAC 12 would then OWN Week 0....with four games - 1 on Friday and 3 on Saturday. 1 game is a Hawaii home game, the other three are PAC 12 home games, hosted by the 3 PAC schools that play at Hawaii that year.

Plus, Hawaii's home games could be used for a good chunk of the PAC's 10pm ET late-night kickoffs (5pm local Hawaii time).

FWIW, the PAC 12 could also try to arrange a similar deal with San Diego State. This would help to get PAC 12 schools to Southern California consistently and add another 6-7 games of inventory for the PAC 12 media contract and network - and another school to take on more of the 10pm ET kickoffs. SDSU and Hawaii could sign a long-term home-away deal to make the scheduling even easier.

(02-25-2019 02:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  I agree with Mongoose. The MWC status quo is better for Hawaii than independence in the current CFB structure.

HOWEVER, I do think the PAC 12 could make an opportunity out of it. Play SIX games against Hawaii every season. 3 in Honolulu, 3 in PAC 12 stadiums. All games in October and November.... Each PAC 12 school would play Hawaii every other year, and play in Honolulu once in 4 years. Stack the schedules and use the Hawaii games to help with bye weeks and other openings created by Notre Dame v. USC and Stanford games.

Hawaii and BYU sign a long-term home-away deal - games in October and November or even December...

Hawaii would have a quality 7-game late-season schedule from which to work. Fill out Week 0 and September with non-PAC/BYU opponents and Hawaii only needs one other non-September game...rotate among other independents? Army-Umass, NMSU, Liberty? Or, could be an FCS opponent, if needed.

The PAC 12 purchases all Hawaii home inventory to the PAC 12 media contract and network for a relatively meager payout to Hawaii (but a nice increase for Hawaii compared to the current MWC contract). That's 6-7 new games of inventory for the PAC 12.

The PAC 12 would then OWN Week 0....with four games - 1 on Friday and 3 on Saturday. 1 game is a Hawaii home game, the other three are PAC 12 home games, hosted by the 3 PAC schools that play at Hawaii that year.

Plus, Hawaii's home games could be used for a good chunk of the PAC's 10pm ET late-night kickoffs (5pm local Hawaii time).

FWIW, the PAC 12 could also try to arrange a similar deal with San Diego State. This would help to get PAC 12 schools to Southern California consistently and add another 6-7 games of inventory for the PAC 12 media contract and network - and another school to take on more of the 10pm ET kickoffs. SDSU and Hawaii could sign a long-term home-away deal to make the scheduling even easier.

My idea of a 12-game home schedule for Hawaii was out there but there is potential value in the Hawaii Rule that could be utilized by a conference like the PAC. It would become a numbers game to determine whether it would be worth the effort.

(02-25-2019 02:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  I agree with Mongoose. The MWC status quo is better for Hawaii than independence in the current CFB structure.

HOWEVER, I do think the PAC 12 could make an opportunity out of it. Play SIX games against Hawaii every season. 3 in Honolulu, 3 in PAC 12 stadiums. All games in October and November.... Each PAC 12 school would play Hawaii every other year, and play in Honolulu once in 4 years. Stack the schedules and use the Hawaii games to help with bye weeks and other openings created by Notre Dame v. USC and Stanford games.

Hawaii and BYU sign a long-term home-away deal - games in October and November or even December...

Hawaii would have a quality 7-game late-season schedule from which to work. Fill out Week 0 and September with non-PAC/BYU opponents and Hawaii only needs one other non-September game...rotate among other independents? Army-Umass, NMSU, Liberty? Or, could be an FCS opponent, if needed.

The PAC 12 purchases all Hawaii home inventory to the PAC 12 media contract and network for a relatively meager payout to Hawaii (but a nice increase for Hawaii compared to the current MWC contract). That's 6-7 new games of inventory for the PAC 12.

The PAC 12 would then OWN Week 0....with four games - 1 on Friday and 3 on Saturday. 1 game is a Hawaii home game, the other three are PAC 12 home games, hosted by the 3 PAC schools that play at Hawaii that year.

Plus, Hawaii's home games could be used for a good chunk of the PAC's 10pm ET late-night kickoffs (5pm local Hawaii time).

FWIW, the PAC 12 could also try to arrange a similar deal with San Diego State. This would help to get PAC 12 schools to Southern California consistently and add another 6-7 games of inventory for the PAC 12 media contract and network - and another school to take on more of the 10pm ET kickoffs. SDSU and Hawaii could sign a long-term home-away deal to make the scheduling even easier.

My idea of a 12-game home schedule for Hawaii was out there but there is potential value in the Hawaii Rule that could be utilized by a conference like the PAC. It would become a numbers game to determine whether it would be worth the effort.

It's not worth it. Look at the TV ratings for week zero games and compare them to comparable games later in the season -- a game moved to week zero gets half to two-thirds of the viewers that it would get if you played it later on in the season. Probably hurts single-game ticket sales by about the same percentage.

Nobody needs their conference to dictate this kind of scheme. It's fine as is, with each school making the scheduling deals they think are good for them.

(02-25-2019 03:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  I agree with Mongoose. The MWC status quo is better for Hawaii than independence in the current CFB structure.

HOWEVER, I do think the PAC 12 could make an opportunity out of it. Play SIX games against Hawaii every season. 3 in Honolulu, 3 in PAC 12 stadiums. All games in October and November.... Each PAC 12 school would play Hawaii every other year, and play in Honolulu once in 4 years. Stack the schedules and use the Hawaii games to help with bye weeks and other openings created by Notre Dame v. USC and Stanford games.

Hawaii and BYU sign a long-term home-away deal - games in October and November or even December...

Hawaii would have a quality 7-game late-season schedule from which to work. Fill out Week 0 and September with non-PAC/BYU opponents and Hawaii only needs one other non-September game...rotate among other independents? Army-Umass, NMSU, Liberty? Or, could be an FCS opponent, if needed.

The PAC 12 purchases all Hawaii home inventory to the PAC 12 media contract and network for a relatively meager payout to Hawaii (but a nice increase for Hawaii compared to the current MWC contract). That's 6-7 new games of inventory for the PAC 12.

The PAC 12 would then OWN Week 0....with four games - 1 on Friday and 3 on Saturday. 1 game is a Hawaii home game, the other three are PAC 12 home games, hosted by the 3 PAC schools that play at Hawaii that year.

Plus, Hawaii's home games could be used for a good chunk of the PAC's 10pm ET late-night kickoffs (5pm local Hawaii time).

FWIW, the PAC 12 could also try to arrange a similar deal with San Diego State. This would help to get PAC 12 schools to Southern California consistently and add another 6-7 games of inventory for the PAC 12 media contract and network - and another school to take on more of the 10pm ET kickoffs. SDSU and Hawaii could sign a long-term home-away deal to make the scheduling even easier.

My idea of a 12-game home schedule for Hawaii was out there but there is potential value in the Hawaii Rule that could be utilized by a conference like the PAC. It would become a numbers game to determine whether it would be worth the effort.

It's not worth it. Look at the TV ratings for week zero games and compare them to comparable games later in the season -- a game moved to week zero gets half to two-thirds of the viewers that it would get if you played it later on in the season. Probably hurts single-game ticket sales by about the same percentage.

Nobody needs their conference to dictate this kind of scheme. It's fine as is, with each school making the scheduling deals they think are good for them.

It's not just TV ratings.

A lot of schools haven't started their semester yet. How many students will buy tickets if they aren't even allowed to move into their dorms yet?

Cincinnati used to have this problem almost every year because we were on the quarter system. Home games in week 1 or 2 would be crickets in the student section. Now we've switched to semesters.

(02-25-2019 03:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  I agree with Mongoose. The MWC status quo is better for Hawaii than independence in the current CFB structure.

HOWEVER, I do think the PAC 12 could make an opportunity out of it. Play SIX games against Hawaii every season. 3 in Honolulu, 3 in PAC 12 stadiums. All games in October and November.... Each PAC 12 school would play Hawaii every other year, and play in Honolulu once in 4 years. Stack the schedules and use the Hawaii games to help with bye weeks and other openings created by Notre Dame v. USC and Stanford games.

Hawaii and BYU sign a long-term home-away deal - games in October and November or even December...

Hawaii would have a quality 7-game late-season schedule from which to work. Fill out Week 0 and September with non-PAC/BYU opponents and Hawaii only needs one other non-September game...rotate among other independents? Army-Umass, NMSU, Liberty? Or, could be an FCS opponent, if needed.

The PAC 12 purchases all Hawaii home inventory to the PAC 12 media contract and network for a relatively meager payout to Hawaii (but a nice increase for Hawaii compared to the current MWC contract). That's 6-7 new games of inventory for the PAC 12.

The PAC 12 would then OWN Week 0....with four games - 1 on Friday and 3 on Saturday. 1 game is a Hawaii home game, the other three are PAC 12 home games, hosted by the 3 PAC schools that play at Hawaii that year.

Plus, Hawaii's home games could be used for a good chunk of the PAC's 10pm ET late-night kickoffs (5pm local Hawaii time).

FWIW, the PAC 12 could also try to arrange a similar deal with San Diego State. This would help to get PAC 12 schools to Southern California consistently and add another 6-7 games of inventory for the PAC 12 media contract and network - and another school to take on more of the 10pm ET kickoffs. SDSU and Hawaii could sign a long-term home-away deal to make the scheduling even easier.

My idea of a 12-game home schedule for Hawaii was out there but there is potential value in the Hawaii Rule that could be utilized by a conference like the PAC. It would become a numbers game to determine whether it would be worth the effort.

It's not worth it. Look at the TV ratings for week zero games and compare them to comparable games later in the season -- a game moved to week zero gets half to two-thirds of the viewers that it would get if you played it later on in the season. Probably hurts single-game ticket sales by about the same percentage.

Nobody needs their conference to dictate this kind of scheme. It's fine as is, with each school making the scheduling deals they think are good for them.

Is there data to back up that stat? It would seem to make more sense that fans who have been starving for football for months would be eager to watch, especially when there aren't as many games that week to choose from. Have those folks been opting to watch golf instead?

I can see where attendance might be down if students aren't on campus yet. But those games would probably be part of the season ticket package for the home team.

(03-02-2019 01:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  I agree with Mongoose. The MWC status quo is better for Hawaii than independence in the current CFB structure.

HOWEVER, I do think the PAC 12 could make an opportunity out of it. Play SIX games against Hawaii every season. 3 in Honolulu, 3 in PAC 12 stadiums. All games in October and November.... Each PAC 12 school would play Hawaii every other year, and play in Honolulu once in 4 years. Stack the schedules and use the Hawaii games to help with bye weeks and other openings created by Notre Dame v. USC and Stanford games.

Hawaii and BYU sign a long-term home-away deal - games in October and November or even December...

Hawaii would have a quality 7-game late-season schedule from which to work. Fill out Week 0 and September with non-PAC/BYU opponents and Hawaii only needs one other non-September game...rotate among other independents? Army-Umass, NMSU, Liberty? Or, could be an FCS opponent, if needed.

The PAC 12 purchases all Hawaii home inventory to the PAC 12 media contract and network for a relatively meager payout to Hawaii (but a nice increase for Hawaii compared to the current MWC contract). That's 6-7 new games of inventory for the PAC 12.

The PAC 12 would then OWN Week 0....with four games - 1 on Friday and 3 on Saturday. 1 game is a Hawaii home game, the other three are PAC 12 home games, hosted by the 3 PAC schools that play at Hawaii that year.

Plus, Hawaii's home games could be used for a good chunk of the PAC's 10pm ET late-night kickoffs (5pm local Hawaii time).

FWIW, the PAC 12 could also try to arrange a similar deal with San Diego State. This would help to get PAC 12 schools to Southern California consistently and add another 6-7 games of inventory for the PAC 12 media contract and network - and another school to take on more of the 10pm ET kickoffs. SDSU and Hawaii could sign a long-term home-away deal to make the scheduling even easier.

My idea of a 12-game home schedule for Hawaii was out there but there is potential value in the Hawaii Rule that could be utilized by a conference like the PAC. It would become a numbers game to determine whether it would be worth the effort.

It's not worth it. Look at the TV ratings for week zero games and compare them to comparable games later in the season -- a game moved to week zero gets half to two-thirds of the viewers that it would get if you played it later on in the season. Probably hurts single-game ticket sales by about the same percentage.

Nobody needs their conference to dictate this kind of scheme. It's fine as is, with each school making the scheduling deals they think are good for them.

Is there data to back up that stat? It would seem to make more sense that fans who have been starving for football for months would be eager to watch, especially when there aren't as many games that week to choose from. Have those folks been opting to watch golf instead?

I can see where attendance might be down if students aren't on campus yet. But those games would probably be part of the season ticket package for the home team.

Look through the CFB ratings at Sports Media Watch, compare week zero games to comparable games in midseason. (E.g., compare P5 vs. G5 games to other P5 vs. G5 games, compare conference games to other conference games, compare games on ESPN to other games on ESPN, compare ESPN2 games to other ESPN2 games, etc., etc.)

(03-02-2019 05:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-02-2019 01:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  I agree with Mongoose. The MWC status quo is better for Hawaii than independence in the current CFB structure.

HOWEVER, I do think the PAC 12 could make an opportunity out of it. Play SIX games against Hawaii every season. 3 in Honolulu, 3 in PAC 12 stadiums. All games in October and November.... Each PAC 12 school would play Hawaii every other year, and play in Honolulu once in 4 years. Stack the schedules and use the Hawaii games to help with bye weeks and other openings created by Notre Dame v. USC and Stanford games.

Hawaii and BYU sign a long-term home-away deal - games in October and November or even December...

Hawaii would have a quality 7-game late-season schedule from which to work. Fill out Week 0 and September with non-PAC/BYU opponents and Hawaii only needs one other non-September game...rotate among other independents? Army-Umass, NMSU, Liberty? Or, could be an FCS opponent, if needed.

The PAC 12 purchases all Hawaii home inventory to the PAC 12 media contract and network for a relatively meager payout to Hawaii (but a nice increase for Hawaii compared to the current MWC contract). That's 6-7 new games of inventory for the PAC 12.

The PAC 12 would then OWN Week 0....with four games - 1 on Friday and 3 on Saturday. 1 game is a Hawaii home game, the other three are PAC 12 home games, hosted by the 3 PAC schools that play at Hawaii that year.

Plus, Hawaii's home games could be used for a good chunk of the PAC's 10pm ET late-night kickoffs (5pm local Hawaii time).

FWIW, the PAC 12 could also try to arrange a similar deal with San Diego State. This would help to get PAC 12 schools to Southern California consistently and add another 6-7 games of inventory for the PAC 12 media contract and network - and another school to take on more of the 10pm ET kickoffs. SDSU and Hawaii could sign a long-term home-away deal to make the scheduling even easier.

My idea of a 12-game home schedule for Hawaii was out there but there is potential value in the Hawaii Rule that could be utilized by a conference like the PAC. It would become a numbers game to determine whether it would be worth the effort.

It's not worth it. Look at the TV ratings for week zero games and compare them to comparable games later in the season -- a game moved to week zero gets half to two-thirds of the viewers that it would get if you played it later on in the season. Probably hurts single-game ticket sales by about the same percentage.

Nobody needs their conference to dictate this kind of scheme. It's fine as is, with each school making the scheduling deals they think are good for them.

Is there data to back up that stat? It would seem to make more sense that fans who have been starving for football for months would be eager to watch, especially when there aren't as many games that week to choose from. Have those folks been opting to watch golf instead?

I can see where attendance might be down if students aren't on campus yet. But those games would probably be part of the season ticket package for the home team.

Look through the CFB ratings at Sports Media Watch, compare week zero games to comparable games in midseason. (E.g., compare P5 vs. G5 games to other P5 vs. G5 games, compare conference games to other conference games, compare games on ESPN to other games on ESPN, compare ESPN2 games to other ESPN2 games, etc., etc.)

Last year, Wyoming @ NMSU aired in the 10PM slot on ESPN2. They drew 464K viewers. In that slot in Week 4, Air Force @ Utah State drew 277K, even though that is arguably a more attractive game. In Week 8, Colorado St @ Boise (even more attractive) drew 420K.

I realize this is a small sample size. Fact is, that's all we have are small sample sizes. There just aren't enough Week Zero games to do any better. So far, while inconclusive, the data doesn't seem to support the idea that moving Week Zero games to later in the season would improve viewership.

UConn better be on the horn to Hawaii for games as well the 4 MWC teams it hosts each year and the 2 PAC teams they (mostly) host each year plus BYU.

Notre Dame only plays 3 road games in 2020. 7 H, 3 A, 2 N.
Weaker than Bamer maybe?

(02-22-2019 08:56 PM)ken d Wrote:  Hawaii plays 8 home games and 5 away games.

Kentucky and Tennessee both play 8 home games and 4 away games.

No other FBS teams have 8 home games.

Kentucky was actually scheduled to go to Eastern Michigan this year (!) but EMU asked to change it to Lexington in exchange for a payout

(07-31-2019 09:43 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 08:56 PM)ken d Wrote:  Hawaii plays 8 home games and 5 away games.

Kentucky and Tennessee both play 8 home games and 4 away games.

No other FBS teams have 8 home games.

Kentucky was actually scheduled to go to Eastern Michigan this year (!) but EMU asked to change it to Lexington in exchange for a payout

So Kentucky has 8 home games?

one problem that BYU has had thru the years as an Independent is their September schedule is so brutal they really don't have a chance. look at their first 7 games this year. Utah, @ Tennessee, USC, Washington, @ Toledo, bye, @ USF, Boise St. that's brutal.... lucky to come out of it with fewer than 3 losses. only had 1 year as an independent where they didn't have 2 losses in September(and that year- 2014- they went 0-4 in October).

(07-31-2019 10:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:43 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 08:56 PM)ken d Wrote:  Hawaii plays 8 home games and 5 away games.

Kentucky and Tennessee both play 8 home games and 4 away games.

No other FBS teams have 8 home games.

Kentucky was actually scheduled to go to Eastern Michigan this year (!) but EMU asked to change it to Lexington in exchange for a payout

So Kentucky has 8 home games?

Yes, they do now

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...023448002/

(02-23-2019 12:56 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 12:34 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I've wondered why, since the Hawaii rule came into play, that Hawaii doesn't feel compelled to play as an independent and schedule 12 home games? They wouldn't need a 13th since they wouldn't leave the islands and travelling to Hawaii would be a fun trip (though far) for any school but would allow for a 13th game.

Apparently, it isn't as easy to convince schools to travel to Hawaii without a return game as one might think. I've suggested that the MWC strike a deal with Hawaii to do essentially what you said. Have every member play OOC @Hawaii each year, and virtually own Week Zero and the exposure that could provide the league.

With no competitition from either the NFL or the rest of the FBS for the attention of football starved fans , the MWC could showcase every team in the league in attractive viewing windows on Friday, Saturday and Sunday of Week Zero.

Make it so!

Not a bad idea.

At the very least, the MWC could schedule all four schools that play @Hawaii to play week zero and have four games on.

(02-23-2019 04:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UH lacks the resources of BYU and Liberty to sustain Independence at any quality level. They play too late for any TV value, so revenue will be minimal.

UH needs to stay in the Mountain West. They get opponents of similar level, and from the West, builds in the last 8 games of the season. Why anyone thinks Independence would be better I have no clue.

I totally get why they wouldn't want to go independent, but if they did it'd be really cool to see them just own being several time zones away and play games that start at 12:30 AM or 1 AM EST. They aren't going to get great rating anyway, but at least they'd be the only super late game on and it would get some eyeballs from west coast viewers.

(02-23-2019 04:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 02:11 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 12:34 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I've wondered why, since the Hawaii rule came into play, that Hawaii doesn't feel compelled to play as an independent and schedule 12 home games? They wouldn't need a 13th since they wouldn't leave the islands and travelling to Hawaii would be a fun trip (though far) for any school but would allow for a 13th game.

Look at how BYU independence has worked out for them. Lucky to get to 6-6, crappy bowls, no conference championships to compete for. How would it be any better for Hawaii? There’s no way Hawaii would get 12 home games in a season anyway.

BYU's recent problems aren't the result of being independent. In their first six years of independence they never won fewer than 8 games. It could just be that their most recent coaching hire is the cause of their decline in the last two seasons.

I think it's more complicated than that. For several years, BYU has suffered a loss of brand value. They just aren't as distinctive as they used to be, their stature has diminished, independent of a give year's wins and losses.

In fact, their status was diminishing even as they were having those six years of never winning fewer than 8 games.

Their program is suffering a slow bleed-out of prestige and brand value, and I think being caught in the no-mans-land of independence is contributing to that.


SJ + MS 8/1/79
40 years, RIP

(03-03-2019 08:56 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-02-2019 05:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-02-2019 01:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  My idea of a 12-game home schedule for Hawaii was out there but there is potential value in the Hawaii Rule that could be utilized by a conference like the PAC. It would become a numbers game to determine whether it would be worth the effort.

It's not worth it. Look at the TV ratings for week zero games and compare them to comparable games later in the season -- a game moved to week zero gets half to two-thirds of the viewers that it would get if you played it later on in the season. Probably hurts single-game ticket sales by about the same percentage.

Nobody needs their conference to dictate this kind of scheme. It's fine as is, with each school making the scheduling deals they think are good for them.

Is there data to back up that stat? It would seem to make more sense that fans who have been starving for football for months would be eager to watch, especially when there aren't as many games that week to choose from. Have those folks been opting to watch golf instead?

I can see where attendance might be down if students aren't on campus yet. But those games would probably be part of the season ticket package for the home team.

Look through the CFB ratings at Sports Media Watch, compare week zero games to comparable games in midseason. (E.g., compare P5 vs. G5 games to other P5 vs. G5 games, compare conference games to other conference games, compare games on ESPN to other games on ESPN, compare ESPN2 games to other ESPN2 games, etc., etc.)

Last year, Wyoming @ NMSU aired in the 10PM slot on ESPN2. They drew 464K viewers. In that slot in Week 4, Air Force @ Utah State drew 277K, even though that is arguably a more attractive game. In Week 8, Colorado St @ Boise (even more attractive) drew 420K.

I realize this is a small sample size. Fact is, that's all we have are small sample sizes. There just aren't enough Week Zero games to do any better. So far, while inconclusive, the data doesn't seem to support the idea that moving Week Zero games to later in the season would improve viewership.

Zero week *should* get more viewers due to less competition with significantly fewer games on at a given time.

2017-

Stanford Vs Rice in a laugher drew 653k on ESPN in that late slot in zero week.

Stanford Vs Utah on FS1 and BYU-Utah on ESPN drew similarly with MUCH better matchups.


Part of the numbers on week zero being relatively low is based on less than ideal matchups. Put one of the bigger brands on zero week and the numbers would go bigger.

(02-23-2019 02:11 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 12:34 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I've wondered why, since the Hawaii rule came into play, that Hawaii doesn't feel compelled to play as an independent and schedule 12 home games? They wouldn't need a 13th since they wouldn't leave the islands and travelling to Hawaii would be a fun trip (though far) for any school but would allow for a 13th game.

Look at how BYU independence has worked out for them. Lucky to get to 6-6, crappy bowls, no conference championships to compete for. How would it be any better for Hawaii? There’s no way Hawaii would get 12 home games in a season anyway.

Since going independent BYU has finished the season with 10, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 4, and 7 wins.

Season tix on the 50 for $125 to watch Arizona, Oregon St, Army, AFA, SDSU, Fresno, & 2 bodybags.
https://hawaiiathletics.evenue.net/cgi-b...ppc=F19NEW

(08-01-2019 10:03 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 02:11 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 12:34 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I've wondered why, since the Hawaii rule came into play, that Hawaii doesn't feel compelled to play as an independent and schedule 12 home games? They wouldn't need a 13th since they wouldn't leave the islands and travelling to Hawaii would be a fun trip (though far) for any school but would allow for a 13th game.

Look at how BYU independence has worked out for them. Lucky to get to 6-6, crappy bowls, no conference championships to compete for. How would it be any better for Hawaii? There’s no way Hawaii would get 12 home games in a season anyway.

Since going independent BYU has finished the season with 10, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 4, and 7 wins.

Yeah the BYU hate is a bit weird. The eight years before they went independent they won 65 games compared to 63 since.

They're doing fine! And with a much more challenging/interesting schedule.