Unsure if/when people will stop assuming that conferences, whose membership is almost exclusively controlled by university presidents, are about so much more than just athletic success or even athletic media deals...

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(03-05-2019 10:43 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It will never happen but it's a fun thought. What would be required:
1) PAC relaxes on religiously-affiliated universities (very low possibility)
2) Gonzaga believes joining the PAC would boost its chance at a better seed (very low possibility)

Gonzaga would make more money which is a major point. However, with both points above, it just wouldn't be worth it for either party. If the PAC ever considers adding BYU, see point #1 above to the umpteenth degree, it would likely be for football-only which may open the door for Gonzaga as a non-football member. Even further, Gonzaga only brings in a name. It doesn't bring in new recruiting grounds or geography as it severely overlaps with Washington St.

Hahahahaha it wouldn't be worth it for the Zags? Really? Playing UCLA, Arizona and Oregon every year wouldn't be worth it? Making much more money wouldn't be worth it? GTFOH with that nonsense. The Zags would LEAP at that opportunity if it presented itself and would be fools not to. You think the WCC is the optimal place for Gonzaga and that no where else would be better?

(03-06-2019 03:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 10:43 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It will never happen but it's a fun thought. What would be required:
1) PAC relaxes on religiously-affiliated universities (very low possibility)
2) Gonzaga believes joining the PAC would boost its chance at a better seed (very low possibility)

Gonzaga would make more money which is a major point. However, with both points above, it just wouldn't be worth it for either party. If the PAC ever considers adding BYU, see point #1 above to the umpteenth degree, it would likely be for football-only which may open the door for Gonzaga as a non-football member. Even further, Gonzaga only brings in a name. It doesn't bring in new recruiting grounds or geography as it severely overlaps with Washington St.

Hahahahaha it wouldn't be worth it for the Zags? Really? Playing UCLA, Arizona and Oregon every year wouldn't be worth it? Making much more money wouldn't be worth it? GTFOH with that nonsense. The Zags would LEAP at that opportunity if it presented itself and would be fools not to. You think the WCC is the optimal place for Gonzaga and that no where else would be better?

It would never happen but, from a competitive standpoint, there's no reason for Gonzaga to leave. They have a great thing going in the WCC. I did say they would gain tremendously from a financial perspective. Would they do it? Of course if the opportunity presented itself but it won't. I do appreciate the position that Arizona, UCLA, and Oregon (and others) may/will bounce back which would make the PAC a better league and overall better option for Gonzaga if the option was available. Perhaps I didn't get my position across clearly as I didn't intend on the post to be an all-encompassing scope of my personal opinion. Thanks for the feedback.

(03-05-2019 03:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 11:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  No. But the Mountain West should.

I don't see why Gonzaga should join either the MWC or Pac-12. They're going to be a #1 or 2 seed this year for the third year in a row, IIRC. They don't need to move. And if they're smart they'd also think: Mark Few won't be there forever, and where is the best place for their athletic department after he leaves, in the long term. The best fit for them is still the WCC.

Thats just completely short sighted, the idea is to capitalize on your success. Butler was a game away from a national title two years in a row. Not one person said since they had that success they shouldn't move to another conference since they achieved that in the horizon league. People here act like the WCC is a great conference and Gonzaga can do no better. Thats insane! You're right, Mark Few wont be there forever so capitalize on it and get the best deal and end up in the best place possible. People acting like that turning down a power conference invitation is the best thing for Gonzaga are clueless and shouldn't speak about conference realignment.

(03-06-2019 03:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 10:43 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It will never happen but it's a fun thought. What would be required:
1) PAC relaxes on religiously-affiliated universities (very low possibility)
2) Gonzaga believes joining the PAC would boost its chance at a better seed (very low possibility)

Gonzaga would make more money which is a major point. However, with both points above, it just wouldn't be worth it for either party. If the PAC ever considers adding BYU, see point #1 above to the umpteenth degree, it would likely be for football-only which may open the door for Gonzaga as a non-football member. Even further, Gonzaga only brings in a name. It doesn't bring in new recruiting grounds or geography as it severely overlaps with Washington St.

Hahahahaha it wouldn't be worth it for the Zags? Really? Playing UCLA, Arizona and Oregon every year wouldn't be worth it? Making much more money wouldn't be worth it? GTFOH with that nonsense. The Zags would LEAP at that opportunity if it presented itself and would be fools not to. You think the WCC is the optimal place for Gonzaga and that no where else would be better?

It would never happen but, from a competitive standpoint, there's no reason for Gonzaga to leave. They have a great thing going in the WCC. I did say they would gain tremendously from a financial perspective. Would they do it? Of course if the opportunity presented itself but it won't. I do appreciate the position that Arizona, UCLA, and Oregon (and others) may/will bounce back which would make the PAC a better league and overall better option for Gonzaga if the option was available. Perhaps I didn't get my position across clearly as I didn't intend on the post to be an all-encompassing scope of my personal opinion. Thanks for the feedback.

Okay and Butler was in the national title game two years in a row, there was no reason for them to leave the horizon league right?

When Mark Few leaves/retires why wouldn't the school want to be a place to sustain that success? The WCC isn't that place. No way you get another Mark few playing in a mid major conference and if you happen to get a quality unknown they will leave once they get a big time offer.

(03-05-2019 04:44 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 03:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I don't see why Gonzaga should join either the MWC or Pac-12. They're going to be a #1 or 2 seed this year for the third year in a row, IIRC. They don't need to move. And if they're smart they'd also think: Mark Few won't be there forever, and where is the best place for their athletic department after he leaves, in the long term. The best fit for them is still the WCC.

True. They are where they need to be.

So was Utah in the MWC, Butler in the Horizon, Louisville in CUSA, Nebraska in the XII, Syracuse in the Big East....should I go on? Actually they are where they are, they need to be a higher level conference for the reason that Few will be gone at some point and playing in a mid-major wont make them an attractive landing spot for the next coach/

(03-06-2019 04:48 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 03:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 11:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  No. But the Mountain West should.

I don't see why Gonzaga should join either the MWC or Pac-12. They're going to be a #1 or 2 seed this year for the third year in a row, IIRC. They don't need to move. And if they're smart they'd also think: Mark Few won't be there forever, and where is the best place for their athletic department after he leaves, in the long term. The best fit for them is still the WCC.

Thats just completely short sighted, the idea is to capitalize on your success. Butler was a game away from a national title two years in a row. Not one person said since they had that success they shouldn't move to another conference since they achieved that in the horizon league. People here act like the WCC is a great conference and Gonzaga can do no better. Thats insane! You're right, Mark Few wont be there forever so capitalize on it and get the best deal and end up in the best place possible. People acting like that turning down a power conference invitation is the best thing for Gonzaga are clueless and shouldn't speak about conference realignment.

This is still quite silly since the Pac-12 will NEVER invite Gonzaga for all of the reasons stated above plus they have no full members (which you'd need to be to bring in MBB) who don't play football. But your point about Butler is a good one. Nobody stays on top forever. Kansas just ended their incredible Big 12 streak, for example. Gonzaga has been to one Final Four, feats matched by schools like Loyola-Chicago, VCU and Butler (twice!) in just the last decade. To think that somehow they were too far above a conference like the Pac-12, that would bring storied schools to their campus like Arizona and UCLA every season, and one that would certainly line their pockets with considerably more revenue from both tournament credits and broadcasting rights than they're getting in the WCC is ridiculous.

By the same token, Gonzaga is a private Catholic school in a conference comprised completely of private, faith-based colleges 6 of whom are also Catholic. No doubt they are aligned with like-minded schools and are unlikely to seriously consider making such a drastic change.

USFFan

(03-06-2019 04:51 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 10:43 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It will never happen but it's a fun thought. What would be required:
1) PAC relaxes on religiously-affiliated universities (very low possibility)
2) Gonzaga believes joining the PAC would boost its chance at a better seed (very low possibility)

Gonzaga would make more money which is a major point. However, with both points above, it just wouldn't be worth it for either party. If the PAC ever considers adding BYU, see point #1 above to the umpteenth degree, it would likely be for football-only which may open the door for Gonzaga as a non-football member. Even further, Gonzaga only brings in a name. It doesn't bring in new recruiting grounds or geography as it severely overlaps with Washington St.

Hahahahaha it wouldn't be worth it for the Zags? Really? Playing UCLA, Arizona and Oregon every year wouldn't be worth it? Making much more money wouldn't be worth it? GTFOH with that nonsense. The Zags would LEAP at that opportunity if it presented itself and would be fools not to. You think the WCC is the optimal place for Gonzaga and that no where else would be better?

It would never happen but, from a competitive standpoint, there's no reason for Gonzaga to leave. They have a great thing going in the WCC. I did say they would gain tremendously from a financial perspective. Would they do it? Of course if the opportunity presented itself but it won't. I do appreciate the position that Arizona, UCLA, and Oregon (and others) may/will bounce back which would make the PAC a better league and overall better option for Gonzaga if the option was available. Perhaps I didn't get my position across clearly as I didn't intend on the post to be an all-encompassing scope of my personal opinion. Thanks for the feedback.

Okay and Butler was in the national title game two years in a row, there was no reason for them to leave the horizon league right?

When Mark Few leaves/retires why wouldn't the school want to be a place to sustain that success? The WCC isn't that place. No way you get another Mark few playing in a mid major conference and if you happen to get a quality unknown they will leave once they get a big time offer.

Agreed about Gonzaga. It'd be short-sighted to stay in the WCC for Gonzaga and short-sighted for the PAC to invite Gonzaga. The PAC holds all the weight here and it simply won't happen. What are they going to do with a 3rd school in the State of Washington that happens to be a small, private school practically next door to Washington St? It can be debated whether Gonzaga wants to go and I can understand the arguments on both sides. However, it only really matters what the conference (PAC school presidents) wants.

Regarding your comparison with Butler - it is not comparable. A more accurate comparison would be Butler to the B1G. It sounds just as impractical to me as Gonzaga to the PAC for same/similar reasons.

Should the Pac-12 add Gonzaga?
Sure, no skin off my nose.

(03-05-2019 03:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 11:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  No. But the Mountain West should.

I don't see why Gonzaga should join either the MWC or Pac-12. They're going to be a #1 or 2 seed this year for the third year in a row, IIRC. They don't need to move. And if they're smart they'd also think: Mark Few won't be there forever, and where is the best place for their athletic department after he leaves, in the long term. The best fit for them is still the WCC.

Maybe the WCC should extend an invitation to a couple of P12 schools to join them seeing as to how pathetic the PAC is

(03-06-2019 05:11 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 04:51 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 10:43 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It will never happen but it's a fun thought. What would be required:
1) PAC relaxes on religiously-affiliated universities (very low possibility)
2) Gonzaga believes joining the PAC would boost its chance at a better seed (very low possibility)

Gonzaga would make more money which is a major point. However, with both points above, it just wouldn't be worth it for either party. If the PAC ever considers adding BYU, see point #1 above to the umpteenth degree, it would likely be for football-only which may open the door for Gonzaga as a non-football member. Even further, Gonzaga only brings in a name. It doesn't bring in new recruiting grounds or geography as it severely overlaps with Washington St.

Hahahahaha it wouldn't be worth it for the Zags? Really? Playing UCLA, Arizona and Oregon every year wouldn't be worth it? Making much more money wouldn't be worth it? GTFOH with that nonsense. The Zags would LEAP at that opportunity if it presented itself and would be fools not to. You think the WCC is the optimal place for Gonzaga and that no where else would be better?

It would never happen but, from a competitive standpoint, there's no reason for Gonzaga to leave. They have a great thing going in the WCC. I did say they would gain tremendously from a financial perspective. Would they do it? Of course if the opportunity presented itself but it won't. I do appreciate the position that Arizona, UCLA, and Oregon (and others) may/will bounce back which would make the PAC a better league and overall better option for Gonzaga if the option was available. Perhaps I didn't get my position across clearly as I didn't intend on the post to be an all-encompassing scope of my personal opinion. Thanks for the feedback.

Okay and Butler was in the national title game two years in a row, there was no reason for them to leave the horizon league right?

When Mark Few leaves/retires why wouldn't the school want to be a place to sustain that success? The WCC isn't that place. No way you get another Mark few playing in a mid major conference and if you happen to get a quality unknown they will leave once they get a big time offer.

Agreed about Gonzaga. It'd be short-sighted to stay in the WCC for Gonzaga and short-sighted for the PAC to invite Gonzaga. The PAC holds all the weight here and it simply won't happen. What are they going to do with a 3rd school in the State of Washington that happens to be a small, private school practically next door to Washington St? It can be debated whether Gonzaga wants to go and I can understand the arguments on both sides. However, it only really matters what the conference (PAC school presidents) wants.

Regarding your comparison with Butler - it is not comparable. A more accurate comparison would be Butler to the B1G. It sounds just as impractical to me as Gonzaga to the PAC for same/similar reasons.

WOW what value does DUKE add to the ACC. They are a small private school that is in a state with six other D1 schools.

Adding Gonzaga to the PAC-12 for basketball would be great, but they want teams that have football.

And yeah, I think Gonzaga benefits quite a bit from being in the WCC. They get to be Boise State and have little competition besides St. Mary's, BYU, and whatever other 4th WCC front runner from year to year.