(03-06-2019 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 01:11 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 01:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:55 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I actually think we have an excellent shot at ending up with some sort of tie to the Indy Bowl. The ACC currently ranks the Sun Bowl on the same tier as their slots in the Belk, Music City-Gator (alternating slot), and Pinstripe. The Sun ranks ahead of the following bowls in the ACC selection order---Military, Indy, Quick Lane, Gasparilla. Thus, those other lower paying bowls are far more likely to be dumped by the ACC than the Sun Bowl with its 3.44 million dollar payout. The Liberty could have tied itself to the AAC in 2013 if that was its preference----instead it chose to go with a Big12 vs SEC tie. Other than making a trade to land their hometown Memphis Tigers in the bowl---the Liberty has never tried to trade out of the P5 tie in order to get the AAC champ.

The only way we get that Sun/Liberty level bowl is if ESPN helps us, we create our own high paying bowl, or we invest enough money into an existing low end bowl to create a payout high enough to attract a high P5 selection. The only other viable option I see is some sort of pool where our champ roatates around among a pool of similar bowls (say Liberty, Sun, Belk) so no single bowl is making a 6 year commitment. A rotating pool actually would work well for us because we are so spread out. That would allow a bowl in the pool to claim the AAC Champ when its located nearby---and not be stuck with the AAC champ when they are located 1000 miles away.

I mean isn't he trying to say they traded this one for the Holiday which paid 6.3 million last year. I am sure if you dump the sun into the lower ACC tier they will no longer be paying 3.44 million. I mean I honestly have no idea but it seems if the payouts remain the same the ACC actually upgraded their payout even while losing the Sun Bowl. Not saying that is what is happening though since I have no idea.

My point is that its not binary. If you take the Holiday--its not automatic that you dump the Sun. Even if the Sun falls in the ACC selection order--the Sun will still pay more than the tier of bowls behind them in the ACC selection order.

Agreed. But if there pick falls as a result of another bowl taking precedent they may no longer be offering the same dollars. Hence maybe they would prefer a better team from the American for likely less dollars. No idea again just throwing hypotheticals. Seems like the PAC12 has there first 4 teams spoken for so you are looking at teams 5+ which does get less attractive. Same could be said on the ACC side. If they are now offering their 7+ teams maybe it is an opportunity to offer something more attractive.

Maybe...but has not worked that way in the past. Here is a list of the bowls sortable by payout. The higher paying games are exclusively P5 vs P5 games---regardless of the selection level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...bowl_games

Yes, I would agree for the bowls at the very top. I wouldn't necessarily call the Sun one of those bowls and payouts are negotiated so they could pay similar to what the Military does and get one of our top teams versus paying more and getting a 6-6 PAC team. Just depends I guess. I think the ACC side is where I could see the opening as them adding the Holiday seems to replace rather than add as both bowls are so far away from their footprint. Again I don't know how it will go but it seems like an opportunity certainly for the league to explore. Of course the Big10 dropped two of their western bowls so they must be looking as well right?

(03-06-2019 08:17 AM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 03:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Would love to get the Liberty Bowl tie-in. Fun fact: (per Wikipedia...lol) UCF (2007 - 63,816) and ECU (2010 - 62,742) have the two highest Liberty Bowl attendance numbers.

Probably more to do with playing SEC teams within a short drive of Memphis..

Negative. There have also been plenty of other regional SEC-B12 matchups that haven't traveled as well.

Arkansas-ECU - 62,742
Arkansas-Kansas State - 61,136

Mississippi State-UCF - 63,816
Mississippi State-Rice - 57,846

2009 and 2010 Liberty Bowls are the only two Pirate bowls I've been to. Wish I could have swung a trip to the Hawaii Bowl in 2007. New Orleans Bowl would have been fun. Not sure about the Birmingham Bowl. Have any of you Memphis/Houston/UConn/USF/Cincy/SMU fans been to that one?

(03-06-2019 08:17 AM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 03:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Would love to get the Liberty Bowl tie-in. Fun fact: (per Wikipedia...lol) UCF (2007 - 63,816) and ECU (2010 - 62,742) have the two highest Liberty Bowl attendance numbers.

Probably more to do with playing SEC teams within a short drive of Memphis..

as gulf coast gal said, it's about capacity at the LB being reduced to 59k because of stadium improvements such as tripling the number of chair back seats and making more ramps ADA compliant.

Latest capacity I saw was 57+, but it has been stated between 57-58 in differing publications. Based on UM statements (Dr. Rudd), capacity is looking at being reduced further with higher price amenities. All in all, bowl game sell outs shouldn't be an issue.

i guess its hope that brings me to these threads every off season...

(03-05-2019 03:36 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 03:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Looks like the Mountain West landed on its feet after losing the Vegas Bowl. The LA Bowl in a new stadium vs the Pac12 is a solid consolation prize. As far as the AAC snagging a slot or some sort of rotating slot in a high to mid-level non-CFP bowl---it looks like the possibilities are getting thinner. The Belk, Gator, Music City, and Outback are off the table as options. I think we can safely eliminate the Alamo and all the western bowls as possibilities as well. That would really only leave the Liberty, Texas, and maybe the Sun Bowl as remaining decent options for a serious upgrade for the non-access bowl AAC champ (or runner up in access bowl years).

How about the Citrus Bowl? The Old BE had a tie in to the Citrus Bowl for their #1 team not in a BCS bowl.

From McMurphy:

"The Outback Bowl
The Tampa-based bowl will still feature an SEC vs. Big Ten matchup, as it has since 1995. However, starting in 2020, when a Big Ten team earns a berth to the Orange Bowl, an ACC team will take the Big Ten’s place in the Outback Bowl. This arrangement previously was with the Citrus Bowl."


But, outside of that, I'd say our best bet is still a partial tie in to Liberty Bowl. If our champ is not in NY6, they go to Liberty Bowl. If the B12 is displaced, they can have our slot in Birmingham vs. SEC. This would guarantee us a slot in ether NY6 or Liberty every year.

Pretty sure the Citrus Bowl game was B1G vs SEC. I believe you are referring to the former Russell Athletic Bowl (now Camping World Bowl) between the Big East and the ACC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camping_World_Bowl

(03-06-2019 04:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:17 AM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 03:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Would love to get the Liberty Bowl tie-in. Fun fact: (per Wikipedia...lol) UCF (2007 - 63,816) and ECU (2010 - 62,742) have the two highest Liberty Bowl attendance numbers.

Probably more to do with playing SEC teams within a short drive of Memphis..

as gulf coast gal said, it's about capacity at the LB being reduced to 59k because of stadium improvements such as tripling the number of chair back seats and making more ramps ADA compliant.

Alright fine. Capacity was listed as 61k the years that UCF and ECU played

After capacity dropped to 59k
Iowa State-Memphis - 57,266

Then I guess they dropped it again to 52k???
Georgia-TCU - 51,087
Oklahoma State-Missouri - 51,587

Quote:Each premium seat is 22 inches wide, compared with the 19-inch premium seats and 15-inch bench seats in the stadium last season. That change in width, and the construction of new aisles to meet code, resulted in a loss of 1,910 seats, bringing the stadium's capacity down to 57,398 seats.

http://archive.commercialappeal.com/spor...89751.html

Other sites list capacity at 57,266 which was what the UM/ISU SRO sellout crowd was announced.

ETA: 60k+ crowds are not possible at Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium anymore.

(03-06-2019 03:35 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  2009 and 2010 Liberty Bowls are the only two Pirate bowls I've been to. Wish I could have swung a trip to the Hawaii Bowl in 2007. New Orleans Bowl would have been fun. Not sure about the Birmingham Bowl. Have any of you Memphis/Houston/UConn/USF/Cincy/SMU fans been to that one?

I've been everywhere USF's played in a bowl game (I've missed two bowls, both because of prior travel commitments, but one was this year's bowl in our own stadium and the other was the Miami Beach Bowl, and I grew up in the Miami area). I say that because:

a) I've had fun at every USF bowl game I've been to, and
b) I've been to Birmingham to see USF play 4 times (3 bowl games vs. ECU, South Carolina and Texas Tech, plus an OOC game vs. Alabama)

To me, Birmingham gets kind of a bad rap. There's a bunch of good restaurants, including some pretty freaking good BBQ (you should totally get chicken with Alabama white BBQ sauce) and there are some decent bars in the Five Points area. But like I said, I had fun in Toronto, in El Paso, in Charlotte...

USFFan

(03-06-2019 04:58 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 04:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:17 AM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 03:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Would love to get the Liberty Bowl tie-in. Fun fact: (per Wikipedia...lol) UCF (2007 - 63,816) and ECU (2010 - 62,742) have the two highest Liberty Bowl attendance numbers.

Probably more to do with playing SEC teams within a short drive of Memphis..

as gulf coast gal said, it's about capacity at the LB being reduced to 59k because of stadium improvements such as tripling the number of chair back seats and making more ramps ADA compliant.

Alright fine. Capacity was listed as 61k the years that UCF and ECU played

After capacity dropped to 59k
Iowa State-Memphis - 57,266

Then I guess they dropped it again to 52k???
Georgia-TCU - 51,087
Oklahoma State-Missouri - 51,587

Naw...plus no way they look at the fact our champ or second place team is always ranked. That pretty much every school in our conference has played their and drawn well.

P5 baby.

My sarcasm is heavy here for those missing it and not understanding that the Liberty, Independence, and Sun are independent bowls built on game attendance and tourism. Butts in the seat and national attention are what they want. Wonder if that works out better with a #9 placed SEC team or a ranked 1/2 placed AAC team?

Perhaps that's why a west Texas bowl wouldn't want a east coast based league and a pacific based league where most of the teams are 1000 miles away. Much like some who think ESPN still runs college football, people have to take into account context. After all the realignment went down bowls just wanted stable partners and the only stable people seemed to be the P5. It was nice to hype, but after a few years most the bowls realized that while OU is big deal compared to USF or Temple, Iowa St and Baylor aren't. Or Vandy and Kentucky vs Alabama if you'd like.

The AAC was also a dead man walking. Look what happened when the poinsettia closed down. Can you imagine if a conference broke apart? What would six bowls do in a mad scramble to get spots filled?

Today the bowls know better. The AAC performs, brings support, has good teams. The P5 won't automatically make your bowl good and match ups matter, but distance does too, especially if you aren't a citrus, outback, ny6 type game. The conferences know it too, which is why the ACC has been up front about wanting any lower level (read as below top 5) bowl in its footprint. The bowl money is kind of irrelevant when its 800k to a million in difference and you get paid 50 million from your conference.

Times have changed.

(03-05-2019 08:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 08:30 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 03:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That would really only leave the Liberty, Texas, and maybe the Sun Bowl as remaining decent options for a serious upgrade for the non-access bowl AAC champ (or runner up in access bowl years).

The Texas Bowl people love their Big 12 vs SEC match up. They wouldn't take our champ willingly.

Exactly. Nobody wants to hear it, but the reality is taking our champ over a P5 team is not a commitment most mid-to-upper tier bowls are willing to make. There would have to be someone like ESPN really greasing the skids for that to happen.

so...since ESPN is going to pay 12 mil per year/ per school...they will surely secure us the Liberty Bowl...

I am going to check flight into Memphis right now!! I am stoked.

(03-06-2019 05:14 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:35 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  2009 and 2010 Liberty Bowls are the only two Pirate bowls I've been to. Wish I could have swung a trip to the Hawaii Bowl in 2007. New Orleans Bowl would have been fun. Not sure about the Birmingham Bowl. Have any of you Memphis/Houston/UConn/USF/Cincy/SMU fans been to that one?

I've been everywhere USF's played in a bowl game (I've missed two bowls, both because of prior travel commitments, but one was this year's bowl in our own stadium and the other was the Miami Beach Bowl, and I grew up in the Miami area). I say that because:

a) I've had fun at every USF bowl game I've been to, and
b) I've been to Birmingham to see USF play 4 times (3 bowl games vs. ECU, South Carolina and Texas Tech, plus an OOC game vs. Alabama)

To me, Birmingham gets kind of a bad rap. There's a bunch of good restaurants, including some pretty freaking good BBQ (you should totally get chicken with Alabama white BBQ sauce) and there are some decent bars in the Five Points area. But like I said, I had fun in Toronto, in El Paso, in Charlotte...

USFFan

thats way cool man. I was at the Bham bowl against SC. Iagree Bham is grtting a bad rap. we had fun there. when they build the new stadium it will be a good bowl.

(03-06-2019 11:12 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 05:14 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:35 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  2009 and 2010 Liberty Bowls are the only two Pirate bowls I've been to. Wish I could have swung a trip to the Hawaii Bowl in 2007. New Orleans Bowl would have been fun. Not sure about the Birmingham Bowl. Have any of you Memphis/Houston/UConn/USF/Cincy/SMU fans been to that one?

I've been everywhere USF's played in a bowl game (I've missed two bowls, both because of prior travel commitments, but one was this year's bowl in our own stadium and the other was the Miami Beach Bowl, and I grew up in the Miami area). I say that because:

a) I've had fun at every USF bowl game I've been to, and
b) I've been to Birmingham to see USF play 4 times (3 bowl games vs. ECU, South Carolina and Texas Tech, plus an OOC game vs. Alabama)

To me, Birmingham gets kind of a bad rap. There's a bunch of good restaurants, including some pretty freaking good BBQ (you should totally get chicken with Alabama white BBQ sauce) and there are some decent bars in the Five Points area. But like I said, I had fun in Toronto, in El Paso, in Charlotte...

USFFan

thats way cool man. I was at the Bham bowl against SC. Iagree Bham is grtting a bad rap. we had fun there. when they build the new stadium it will be a good bowl.

New stadium area will be plush and the stadium design looks great, looks like a nice bowl that will just get better.

(03-06-2019 11:35 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 11:12 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 05:14 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:35 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  2009 and 2010 Liberty Bowls are the only two Pirate bowls I've been to. Wish I could have swung a trip to the Hawaii Bowl in 2007. New Orleans Bowl would have been fun. Not sure about the Birmingham Bowl. Have any of you Memphis/Houston/UConn/USF/Cincy/SMU fans been to that one?

I've been everywhere USF's played in a bowl game (I've missed two bowls, both because of prior travel commitments, but one was this year's bowl in our own stadium and the other was the Miami Beach Bowl, and I grew up in the Miami area). I say that because:

a) I've had fun at every USF bowl game I've been to, and
b) I've been to Birmingham to see USF play 4 times (3 bowl games vs. ECU, South Carolina and Texas Tech, plus an OOC game vs. Alabama)

To me, Birmingham gets kind of a bad rap. There's a bunch of good restaurants, including some pretty freaking good BBQ (you should totally get chicken with Alabama white BBQ sauce) and there are some decent bars in the Five Points area. But like I said, I had fun in Toronto, in El Paso, in Charlotte...

USFFan

thats way cool man. I was at the Bham bowl against SC. Iagree Bham is grtting a bad rap. we had fun there. when they build the new stadium it will be a good bowl.

New stadium area will be plush and the stadium design looks great, looks like a nice bowl that will just get better.

When are they going to build the new stadium. When will it be completed once they break ground.

Would any of y'all be interested in placing the AAC's best team outside of the NY6 vs. the MWC best team outside of the NY6? It seems to me, that if you want the best opponent available to play your champ or 2nd best team, that going with the 2nd best G5 conference's champ or 2nd best team, could be had for about $2.5 mil a year pay out per school. That's a lot more reasonable than hoping an existing bowl is going to dump an mid tier P5 team in favor of the AAC champ or 2nd best team. Not only do I think the bowls would be against it, I think the P5 conference still tied to the bowl would be against it.

Right now the bottom tier P5 school play the top of the AAC and it's a no lose situation for the P5. If they win, our worst bowl eligible teams beat one of the G5 best and if they lose, our 6-6 team lost to a 9-3 or better team. They were supposed to lose. If the AAC champ or 2nd best team takes on a mid tier conference team, there's more for the P5 conference to lose and taking on a top tier P5 team is out of the question outside the NY6 access slot.

If not a AAC vs. MWC tie in, how about a G5 conference champs left out of the NY6 access bowl playoff? I don't see why a G5 4 team playoff would be turned down when it has been approved for the P5 and the G5 wouldn't have to give any thing up. There might be enough TV value there to make one of these 2 options happen.

Does any one have a link to any proof that the Pac-12 and ACC are giving up the Sun Bowl? As best that I can tell, both conferences love that bowl because they can send one of their lesser traveling teams to that bowl because the home turnout is so high. If the Sun bowl wants better traveling fan bases to show up, maybe an AAC vs. B12 would turn out better but for TV value they're going to get a better return from the ACC and Pac-12.

(03-07-2019 03:12 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Would any of y'all be interested in placing the AAC's best team outside of the NY6 vs. the MWC best team outside of the NY6? It seems to me, that if you want the best opponent available to play your champ or 2nd best team, that going with the 2nd best G5 conference's champ or 2nd best team, could be had for about $2.5 mil a year pay out per school. That's a lot more reasonable than hoping an existing bowl is going to dump an mid tier P5 team in favor of the AAC champ or 2nd best team. Not only do I think the bowls would be against it, I think the P5 conference still tied to the bowl would be against it.

Right now the bottom tier P5 school play the top of the AAC and it's a no lose situation for the P5. If they win, our worst bowl eligible teams beat one of the G5 best and if they lose, our 6-6 team lost to a 9-3 or better team. They were supposed to lose. If the AAC champ or 2nd best team takes on a mid tier conference team, there's more for the P5 conference to lose and taking on a top tier P5 team is out of the question outside the NY6 access slot.

If not a AAC vs. MWC tie in, how about a G5 conference champs left out of the NY6 access bowl playoff? I don't see why a G5 4 team playoff would be turned down when it has been approved for the P5 and the G5 wouldn't have to give any thing up. There might be enough TV value there to make one of these 2 options happen.

Wow really? Wake up and decide to troll the American Board? But if this is serious and not trolling it is not the worst idea for CUSA mwc belt and Mac.

But I am respectfully requesting why The American would play when we are P6?

What you have to understand is yes you hate all of us, and of course the other P6 schools hate us. But the G4 schools hate us more. Our schools compete for National Championships sorry not sorry

(03-05-2019 08:59 PM)Bull Wrote:  One would hope our excellent performance as a conference over the past 5 years would have demonstrated to some bowls that our champ is waaaaay superior to a 6-7 win 'P5' team, who views getting to that bowl as a failure of a season.

It’s not about who’s better. It’s who attracts more money.

I'm averaging back in. I think we've reached a classic Triple Bottom technical formation.

(03-07-2019 07:41 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  I'm averaging back in. I think we've reached a classic Triple Bottom technical formation.

mmmmmmmmm