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What if all the states in the Pacific and Mountain time zones observed Daylight Saving Time all year reound, and the Eastern and Central zone states stayed on standard time? Wouldn't that help the PAC and MWC with their exposure problems? It wouldn't hurt interstate commerce either.

I realize sports shouldn't be the only reason to do this, but why not? I could get behind a permanent two hour time difference between the two coasts.

(03-09-2019 08:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  https://www.wral.com/as-daylight-saving-.../18246276/

What if all the states in the Pacific and Mountain time zones observed Daylight Saving Time all year reound, and the Eastern and Central zone states stayed on standard time? Wouldn't that help the PAC and MWC with their exposure problems? It wouldn't hurt interstate commerce either.

I realize sports shouldn't be the only reason to do this, but why not? I could get behind a permanent two hour time difference between the two coasts.

I heard New Mexico was considering going on central time.
They are as “Mountain West” as it gets though, even though they are most eastern school in that league...El Paso, TX is MTZ I believe too..

(03-09-2019 08:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  What if all the states in the Pacific and Mountain time zones observed Daylight Saving Time all year reound, and the Eastern and Central zone states stayed on standard time?

Call or write your congressman if that is what you want.

California has already passed a measure (by referendum) to stay on daylight time permanently. If the feds ever permit us to stay on pacific daylight time, California and Arizona (which is permanently on mountain standard time) would be on the same time year round.

The way the federal law on time zones is written, each state is permitted to stay on standard time if they choose (like Arizona and Hawai'i do) but not on daylight time. Congress has to change the law to permit any state to stay on daylight time permanently.

I'm all for locking it in. Tired of the changes.

(03-10-2019 04:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 08:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  What if all the states in the Pacific and Mountain time zones observed Daylight Saving Time all year reound, and the Eastern and Central zone states stayed on standard time?

Call or write your congressman if that is what you want.

California has already passed a measure (by referendum) to stay on daylight time permanently. If the feds ever permit us to stay on pacific daylight time, California and Arizona (which is permanently on mountain standard time) would be on the same time year round.

The way the federal law on time zones is written, each state is permitted to stay on standard time if they choose (like Arizona and Hawai'i do) but not on daylight time. Congress has to change the law to permit any state to stay on daylight time permanently.

The workaround is for California to move to the Mountain Time Zone, but not observe daylight savings time. Part of Oregon is already on Mountain Time, so it wouldn't be too far fetched for most of the state to move as well.

If we really wanted to change the game, we should rename the Mountain Time Zone the Pacific Time Zone, but keep what we currently know as Mountain Time - which happens to be known as the Pacific Time Zone in Mexico. Only Baja California "Norte" keeps what we Americans know as Pacific Time, or Northwestern Time as it would be known south of the border.

(03-10-2019 04:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 08:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  What if all the states in the Pacific and Mountain time zones observed Daylight Saving Time all year reound, and the Eastern and Central zone states stayed on standard time?

Call or write your congressman if that is what you want.

California has already passed a measure (by referendum) to stay on daylight time permanently. If the feds ever permit us to stay on pacific daylight time, California and Arizona (which is permanently on mountain standard time) would be on the same time year round.

The way the federal law on time zones is written, each state is permitted to stay on standard time if they choose (like Arizona and Hawai'i do) but not on daylight time. Congress has to change the law to permit any state to stay on daylight time permanently.

California's referendum allows us to do what we want on Daylight Savings. It does not mean we are doing it. It just gives the flexibility to do what Arizona does.

This has nothing to do with "exposure", and everything to do with not having children go to school in the dark. And it is dark half the school year in NorCal and the far North State, November to March in those early morning hours.

I don't see us adopting year round DST anytime soon due to the safety concerns. Arizona is to the south of much of California so it can work for them

(03-10-2019 04:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 08:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  What if all the states in the Pacific and Mountain time zones observed Daylight Saving Time all year reound, and the Eastern and Central zone states stayed on standard time?

Call or write your congressman if that is what you want.

California has already passed a measure (by referendum) to stay on daylight time permanently. If the feds ever permit us to stay on pacific daylight time, California and Arizona (which is permanently on mountain standard time) would be on the same time year round.

The way the federal law on time zones is written, each state is permitted to stay on standard time if they choose (like Arizona and Hawai'i do) but not on daylight time. Congress has to change the law to permit any state to stay on daylight time permanently.

When I read that, I wondered what sort of political calculus went into making that strange decision. Whose ox was being gored?

Seems like the most straightforward way to do what I suggest is for Congress to just decide to have three time zones instead of four for continental US. I would envision having the Eastern zone end at the Mississippi and the Pacific zone to start west of the Rockies. Make the boundaries along state lines, so states like Colorado and New Mexico would be completely Central, and Arizona, Utah and Idaho would be Pacific. I'm not sure anybody cares which way Montana would want to go.

In that world, a PAC 12 basketball game starting at 7PM Pacific time would end at 11PM on the East Coast. The New York Stock Exchange hours would be 7:30AM to 2PM Pacific time.

(03-10-2019 07:37 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-10-2019 04:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 08:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  What if all the states in the Pacific and Mountain time zones observed Daylight Saving Time all year reound, and the Eastern and Central zone states stayed on standard time?

Call or write your congressman if that is what you want.

California has already passed a measure (by referendum) to stay on daylight time permanently. If the feds ever permit us to stay on pacific daylight time, California and Arizona (which is permanently on mountain standard time) would be on the same time year round.

The way the federal law on time zones is written, each state is permitted to stay on standard time if they choose (like Arizona and Hawai'i do) but not on daylight time. Congress has to change the law to permit any state to stay on daylight time permanently.

When I read that, I wondered what sort of political calculus went into making that strange decision. Whose ox was being gored?

I'd guess that when they introduced seasonal daylight time, they let states opt out of it without thinking that anyone would want to stay on daylight time year round.

And maybe not everyone will want to do that. Example: If Washington stays on daylight time year round, then from December 9 this year through January 24 next year, sunrise in Seattle will be at 8:45 am or later.

(03-09-2019 08:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  https://www.wral.com/as-daylight-saving-.../18246276/

What if all the states in the Pacific and Mountain time zones observed Daylight Saving Time all year reound, and the Eastern and Central zone states stayed on standard time? Wouldn't that help the PAC and MWC with their exposure problems? It wouldn't hurt interstate commerce either.

I realize sports shouldn't be the only reason to do this, but why not? I could get behind a permanent two hour time difference between the two coasts.

Your proposal does not address the Pac-12 issues. This is a typical weekend in October for the Pac-12:

October 18th-20th 2018
Stanford at Arizona State 6:00 pm ESPN (Thursday Night)
Colorado at Washington 12:30 pm FOX
California at Oregon State 1:00 pm PAC-12 Network
Oregon at Washington St 4:30 pm FOX
USC at Utah 5:00 pm PAC-12 Network
Arizona at UCLA 7:30 pm ESPN2

These are west coast starting times. The problem is that two of these six games are on the Pac-12 Network. For many people around the country, these two games game are not available. If you have Directv, the game will not be available to you.

The USC at Utah game started at 8PM in the east if you have the Pac-12 Network. The Cal at Oregon State game started at 4pm in the east if you have the Pac-12 Network. The "exposure" issue is not a time issue, it is a Pac-12 Network issue. No one is watching the Pac-12 Network.

For the Arizona at UCLA game that week, that didn't start until 10:30 PM in the east. If you live in the west, 7:30pm is a perfect starting time for a Saturday Night game between two Pac-12 schools. If that does not work for the east coast, then that is an east coast problem. The Pac-12 and the MWC play Saturday Night games to fill time slots for ESPN, Fox, the CBS Sports Network. That is never going to change.

We could be like China and just put the entire country on one time zone.

Just kidding...

Anyway, I think it's crazy we alter our clocks the way we do, but I think if there's ever to be wholesale movement on this one way or the other then it will have to led by Congress. I don't see whole regions collectively doing it one way while the other portions of the country do it another.

Although I do like the idea of moving to 3 time zones for the Lower 48.

I watched a tiny bit of a Pac-12 Network game because they give a free sample (I think it was 15 minutes), but if you do not get Pac-12 Network, there is no way of paying to watch online. For me a game on Pac-12 Network is as unavailable as if it was on TV in the UK but nowhere else.

It would make things worse. Unless you change the spin of the planet, the sun will rise at 7:00am in NY and 4 hours later (at 11:00am) in LA.

I don't see the need to disrupt the entire country to accommodate a few sports fans.