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RE: breaking- more indictments- new schools involved
(03-14-2019 12:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 10:48 AM)usffan Wrote:  Wow, the class-action lawsuits started up incredibly fast:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...160526002/

You have to figure there's going to be some settlement where every college student over the last X number of years is going to get some kind of a check...

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Ugh. As a lawyer, I hate these kinds of nuisance suits.

This entire scandal was obviously wrong and criminal. However, the media has made this into a classic simpleton populist “the rich screwing everyone else” story to the point where they’re creating the perception that these parents were taking away admissions from the overall general population of smart hardworking kids (e.g. “*Your* kid’s spot at USC was taken away because of Aunt Becky’s bribes”). That’s NOT what happened. The entire scheme was predicated on very *specific* recruited athlete slots that were entirely separate from the general applicant pool. To the extent that someone can claim damages in this case, they would have to show that they were a top level soccer player, water polo player, etc. that got passed over because of these bribes, not just merely that they had great grades and test scores (as the top schools could just take valedictorians with perfect test scores and still reject the vast majority of them because there are more people that fit that profile than spots available). It would be like me arguing that I should have received a full scholarship from Illinois because my grades and test scores were better than most of the football players, but that argument fails because the whole point is that those scholarships are available *only* to football players. Likewise, recruited athlete admission slots are available *only* to recruited athletes.

So, there were certainly legitimate recruited athletes that might have been screwed by this scandal, but it didn’t impact the admissions of the “standard” smart hardworking kids with great grades and test scores (which is what the media is attempting to make it sound like).

I’m reminded of a friend of mine who is in with the coaches at Philly and some surrounding schools. Specifically, how places like Penn, Princeton, Lehigh (before they had athletic scholarships), etc. experienced such challenges recruiting for the women’s sports, because they’d bring in the kids, and brought under a system where the slots aren’t technically “for athletes” (because they don’t offer athletic scholarships), the kid commits, gets the ride, drops the sport. Heck, my ex gf did that to her competitive D3 school with swimming.

You’re right. The logic that “you took my spot” is not well aimed, and, it’s a nuisance. There are games being played by both sides. And, yet, only the ones bucking the system really win. This scam will be a pain to these elite private institutions who already face heat for their “uneven” admission stndards (legacy, anyone?)...it draws out the populace to call for transparency into private operations, which the schools will (rightfully) fight. Yet, are people, like the two filing the suit, wrong in that admission practices at these places aren’t what the schools say they are, and are intentionally misleading? Personally, I don’t think they’re wrong about that. Schools can play the victim, but, when it comes down to it, you are giving different sight tests.

I’ll be honest...I wouldn’t fault a Yale or USC for simply embracing that their private status means they have every right to control their intake. As popular as a fart in church, but, hey, it’s honest.
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RE: breaking- more indictments- new schools involved
(03-14-2019 06:02 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 12:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The entire scheme was predicated on very *specific* recruited athlete slots that were entirely separate from the general applicant pool.

That was one of the two primary schemes. (The other scheme was allowing parents to purchase fraudulent test scores for their kids.) And if there are specific admission slots for "recruited athletes" at Yale or USC or wherever, then this scheme was like bribing the house manager for prime seats for a sold-out concert or Broadway show, while thousands of others can't get in because they're told there are no more tickets.

Maybe that's how admissions at these schools work anyway. Maybe there are X number of admission offers given on merit, and Y number of admission offers given to "recruited athletes" or to the children of million-dollar donors, or the children of presidents, governors, and senators, etc. Maybe this scam just got kids in through the "Y" category.

Yes, that’s exactly how it works. There are de facto quotas of that nature and many other categories at elite colleges. I have been very aware of that fact for a long time, but I think much of America is naive about how elite university admissions work. They just assume that Harvard must obviously take the smartest kids. To be fair, Harvard does take mega-smart kids, but they need national-level accomplishments (e.g. they’re to science and math what Zion Williamson is to basketball).
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RE: breaking- more indictments- new schools involved
Joe Montana and Phil Mickelson Linked To Singer


Both denied any involvement, but they are a client of Singer's.
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