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Nice split!

Tier I: Memphis (7 mil)
Tier II: UCF, Houston (5 mil)
Tier III: Cincinnati, East Carolina, USF, Navy (3 mil)
Tier IV: SMU, Tulsa, Tulane (1 mil)
Tier V: UConn, Temple (peanuts)

With the remainder going into the Aresco trust fund.
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It's a good contract.

I ran some spreadsheet tables of the amount with various projections of increases from 3% to 5% per year, then divided by 13 for each schools take, given that the conference HQ typically takes a share in such contracts. If you run the 4% per year "middle number" the results look pretty close to what the Memphis President reported:

Total For Conference:
First year (2020-21): $66,525,552
Last year (2031-32): $102,413,031

Take per school:
First year (2020-21): $5,117,350
Last year (2031-32): $7,877,925

Assuming Navy gets 75% share and Wichita State gets 25% share

Navy
First year (2020-21): $3,838,013
Last year (2031-32): $5,908,444

Note: I am not sure this is a good deal for Navy, as they were getting well north of $2.5M per year for the Notre Dame game alone (or more accurately north of $5M for the game every other year). It's probably a wash for them. But they have another $5M per year and increasing for the Army-Navy game.

Wichita State
First year (2020-21): $1,279,338
Last year (2031-32): $1,969,481

The Pac-12 is the weakest on Revenue of the P5 with around $32M. Even if you project that at the same 3-4% per year they will be around $45-50M per school come 2031-32. So make no mistake this is not a power conference level deal. But as a G5 deal it probably blows everyone else out. My guess is the MWC comes in at 40-50% of this. CUSA, SBC and MAC stay flat.

Of interest to me is no GOR with this. But the money does make the Big East less attractive to UConn. While a $4M injection is nice, that does not come close to closing the gap in their $41M revenue shortfall. Gaps of $15-20M exist for most of the American, and this only allows them to continue.

Looking at the B12 2025 replacement list, I'm not surprised GOR died. Houston, Cincy, UCF and USF are all serious candidates and Memphis wants to believe it is. ESPN must feel that at most 2 schools will get snagged and the AAC will have the power to pull the two best available schools as replacements, or stand pat at 10 and move to round robin scheduling (believe me ESPN gamed out the back 6 years before agreeing to the terms).

This is as good as the American could get, and I think it solidifies them as the best G5 conference for the next decade. C-USA looks like the sick sister. The MWC looks like the G5 equivalent of the P12, safe, but in a region of the country that only has 25% of the population and two time zones away from the other 75% of the country, so unable to challenge most of the time.

Give Aresco credit for getting as good a deal as he could.
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My goodness people complain so much.

The AAC is an experiment forged from desperation. When the Big East teams left no one actually expected this conference to flourish. Uconn, Rutgers, Cincinnati, Uconn, Louisville, and USF all had one foot out the door. The expectation was that those teams would carry the poor little CUSA programs who were trying to hang with big boys.

And to everyone's surprise it's pretty much been Houston, UCF, and Memphis leading the way so far. The good about this deal is what it means for SMU, ECU, and Tulane. Once they start pulling their weight the AAC will move closer to being a power conference.
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(03-19-2019 10:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 07:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 05:07 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  It’s great for the former C-USA and MAC schools but not so much for UConn, Cincinnati and South Florida.

$8 million a year is great for a G5 conference regardless. Congrats to the AAC.

It keeps them more or less in line with what they were getting with the realignment payments. Its also worth noting that its nearly double what UConn, UCF, and Cinci were getting under their last year in the old Big East with the C7. In fact, in 2011---the media payout for the all sports schools was less than 4 million.

Not very meaningful because everyone outside of the abject conferencew is getting more than in 2011. And expenses are way up since 2011 as well. For the 3 original schools, this deal does nothing, we tread water for 12 more years.

IMO, this deal confirms the failure of the Aresco experiment, that is a G5 paying a commish $1.8m per year because of his TV expertise. There simply is no evidence of that expertise in this deal.


You say “we” but you are to the AAC as Stever is to the Big East
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(03-19-2019 11:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The biggest exposure loss is losing 13 games that were nationally televised on CBS-Sports (with 50-60 million subscribers) and move them to ESPN+ which has barely 2 million subscribers.

That's either no loss or a microscopically small loss. Forget the subscriber numbers -- almost no one is watching CBSSN. If CBSSN had audiences as large as the smallest Nielsen sports audiences, they would subscribe to Nielsen ratings, but they don't. What are the smallest measured Nielsen audiences for CFB? 300,000 viewers or less, per Sports Media Watch. ESPN+'s subscriber base will grow, your fans will be able to watch every single AAC game if they want to, and those ESPN+ games will get highlights on SportsCenter and cut-ins on ESPN's whiparound channels Goal Line and Buzzer Beater.
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(03-20-2019 12:06 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 11:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The biggest exposure loss is losing 13 games that were nationally televised on CBS-Sports (with 50-60 million subscribers) and move them to ESPN+ which has barely 2 million subscribers.

That's either no loss or a microscopically small loss. Forget the subscriber numbers -- almost no one is watching CBSSN. If CBSSN had audiences as large as the smallest Nielsen sports audiences, they would subscribe to Nielsen ratings, but they don't. What are the smallest measured Nielsen audiences for CFB? 300,000 viewers or less, per Sports Media Watch. ESPN+'s subscriber base will grow, your fans will be able to watch every single AAC game if they want to, and those ESPN+ games will get highlights on SportsCenter and cut-ins on ESPN's whiparound channels Goal Line and Buzzer Beater.

A few years ago they found that MAC games on ESPN3 were averaging around 3K viewers. ESPN 3 is accessible to far more people than ESPN+. I suspect CBS-Sports does much better than 3K a game. CBS-Sports is located in the sports tier with the ESPN's, NBC-Sports, FSN-1, etc...so Im much more likely to check out CBS-Sports as I scroll through the sports networks than I am to randomly flip over to ESPN-Plus. Ive had ESPN+ since football season and I think Ive only watched one game on it.

That said---Ive already made it clear that if the AAC moves up to 8-12 ABC Saturday slots a season in exchange for giving up the CBS-Sports games--I'd score that as a pretty big win. The money is about what I expected. I told everyone going in ESPN+ wold be part of the deal and that if we went all in with ESPN---ESPN+ could very well take over the CBS-Sports games. So, all of this was expected by me. I did hope the outcome might be slightly better---but my prediction has been 6 to 8 million for the last 2 years. 04-cheers
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A little disappointing to me, but at least it's not 5-6 million. I feel like the AAC deserves about 9-10 million a overall.
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(03-19-2019 03:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw this-
https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/11...6107498497

right at 7 mil per year, thru 2032.

Fixed
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I don't think Navy will get full football share
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(03-19-2019 08:11 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 04:23 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Great deal for the AAC. Cemented them as a tweener conference.

Great except they are almost exclusively on ESPN+ 07-coffee3

No, more than likely ESPN+ is going to get what was on CBS-SN, ESPNews and ESPN3. So over half of their football still on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU.

I haven't been OCD about how much of their basketball is on what channel, but I'd expect that to maintain as well.

That may not sound "tweener" to people used to P5 football TV coverage, but if you look at MAC/MWC/CUSA/Sun Belt, it's a lot better than what those leagues get.
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(03-20-2019 01:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 12:06 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 11:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The biggest exposure loss is losing 13 games that were nationally televised on CBS-Sports (with 50-60 million subscribers) and move them to ESPN+ which has barely 2 million subscribers.

That's either no loss or a microscopically small loss. Forget the subscriber numbers -- almost no one is watching CBSSN. If CBSSN had audiences as large as the smallest Nielsen sports audiences, they would subscribe to Nielsen ratings, but they don't. What are the smallest measured Nielsen audiences for CFB? 300,000 viewers or less, per Sports Media Watch. ESPN+'s subscriber base will grow, your fans will be able to watch every single AAC game if they want to, and those ESPN+ games will get highlights on SportsCenter and cut-ins on ESPN's whiparound channels Goal Line and Buzzer Beater.

A few years ago they found that MAC games on ESPN3 were averaging around 3K viewers. ESPN 3 is accessible to far more people than ESPN+. I suspect CBS-Sports does much better than 3K a game. CBS-Sports is located in the sports tier with the ESPN's, NBC-Sports, FSN-1, etc...so Im much more likely to check out CBS-Sports as I scroll through the sports networks than I am to randomly flip over to ESPN-Plus. Ive had ESPN+ since football season and I think Ive only watched one game on it.

That said---Ive already made it clear that if the AAC moves up to 8-12 ABC Saturday slots a season in exchange for giving up the CBS-Sports games--I'd score that as a pretty big win. The money is about what I expected. I told everyone going in ESPN+ wold be part of the deal and that if we went all in with ESPN---ESPN+ could very well take over the CBS-Sports games. So, all of this was expected by me. I did hope the outcome might be slightly better---but my prediction has been 6 to 8 million for the last 2 years. 04-cheers
Uhh...CBSSN is on the higher or highest tier. The others are on basic/lowest tier.
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(03-19-2019 06:36 PM)Chappy Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 06:31 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 05:56 PM)Chappy Wrote:  So we got like twice as much as Mike Trout?

Some good articles
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail...9/AAC.aspx

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ealignment

https://www.courant.com/sports/college/h...story.html

Reading the article, does make it sound like ESPN wants the AAC to help drive viewers to ESPN+ with some football and basketball games. 7 Million a year surely beats the two million they were making. I have to admit I was a little surprised at 12 years. Hopefully the AAC fans are happy. Looks like SBC, CUSA, MW and MAC will be many years behind the AAC in money.

It does make us the clear #6 conference. But in the latter years of the contract it’s not going to seem like much.
At least until Big East renegotiates which might or might not change that equation.
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(03-19-2019 11:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Pretty harsh. As I said on the AAC board---the devil is in the details. The biggest exposure loss is losing 13 games that were nationally televised on CBS-Sports (with 50-60 million subscribers)

I continue to disagree--that's not much of a loss. The only people watching on CBS-SN were old CUSA fans used to watching games on CBS-SN.

Quote: However, something I also said would matter---which has been ignored by many, was an increase in the number of ABC Saturday games. If the AAC gets that number up to 10-12 ABC games over the season---thats nearly one ABC appearance for every week of the season.

Yeah, I don't see any reason to expect that.

Quote:Thats a very big deal for the AAC and is the kind of exposure reserved for big boy P5 conferences.

Which is why I don't expect that to happen. I'm guessing 6 guaranteed ABC games, not including CCG.

(03-20-2019 12:06 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 11:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The biggest exposure loss is losing 13 games that were nationally televised on CBS-Sports (with 50-60 million subscribers) and move them to ESPN+ which has barely 2 million subscribers.

That's either no loss or a microscopically small loss. Forget the subscriber numbers -- almost no one is watching CBSSN. If CBSSN had audiences as large as the smallest Nielsen sports audiences, they would subscribe to Nielsen ratings, but they don't. What are the smallest measured Nielsen audiences for CFB? 300,000 viewers or less, per Sports Media Watch. ESPN+'s subscriber base will grow, your fans will be able to watch every single AAC game if they want to, and those ESPN+ games will get highlights on SportsCenter and cut-ins on ESPN's whiparound channels Goal Line and Buzzer Beater.

I agree with most of this, but I remember seeing sub-100,000 viewer numbers for some ESPNews games.

SportsCenter? Is that you, Captain Marvel?
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(03-20-2019 07:23 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
Quote:A few years ago they found that MAC games on ESPN3 were averaging around 3K viewers. ESPN 3 is accessible to far more people than ESPN+. I suspect CBS-Sports does much better than 3K a game. CBS-Sports is located in the sports tier with the ESPN's, NBC-Sports, FSN-1, etc...so Im much more likely to check out CBS-Sports as I scroll through the sports networks than I am to randomly flip over to ESPN-Plus. Ive had ESPN+ since football season and I think Ive only watched one game on it.
Uhh...CBSSN is on the higher or highest tier. The others are on basic/lowest tier.

We've been around this mulberry bush. Coog overrates the subscriber base of CBS-SN. But if you pay for the package that has CBS-SN, I'd expect it to have a channel number in the sports range around ESPNU or NBCSN or NFL Network etc.
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(03-19-2019 09:53 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  My prediction was $5-$6 million, so I wasn't that off. As with all business deals, there are winners and there are losers. I would categorize the groupings below:

Huge Winners
ESPN - They get to retain valuable inventory for their ESPN+ network, creating a need for each of the AAC fan bases that will ultimately spend some money subscribing to the network. While a $1 billion deal over 12-years, it is still remarkably cheap in the long-run, for all of the content the AAC will ultimately provide. Finally, in 12 years, under $7 million per year will be peanuts (once again) to what the P5/P4/etc. will then be making.

Tulane/ECU/SMU/Temple - Considering what they came from a decade ago, and their lack of success in football and men's basketball, to be making that amount of television revenue annually, is a huge victory for each of those schools and athletic programs. Tulane and ECU have provided little-to-no value in football and men's basketball; SMU received the death penalty over 30 years ago; Temple got kicked out of Big East Football; for these programs to officially be valued higher than any other G5 is a grand slam.

Winners
Houston/UCF/Memphis - These programs have invested in themselves, had success in football and men's basketball, and are in prime position for a P5 invite - if the P5 ever realigns/consolidates/expands/etc. They will be earning way more now under this deal, and - especially in Houston's case - validates their investments. While not P5-level money, it keeps the current spending up for another potential go-around.

Navy/Wichita State - While partial members, the deal affirms their affiliations as providing some value to the league.

Losers
USF/Cincinnati - Unfortunately, combining the $6.7 million that will be coming annually from the next TV deal, and the CFP money, and any potential tournament credits, it still will not surpass the $11 million that the Big East turned down almost ten years ago. Additionally, they will be earning around the exact same amounts that they were receiving under the war chest separation fees. Finally, they have now seen Houston, UCF and Memphis very much appear to have overtaken them for the on-deck circle for any potential P5 invitation, due to their football success.

AAC P6 Awareness - While getting paid, AAC membership will be going from ESPN's 86 million subscribers to (now) ESPN+'s 2 million subscribers (along with a subscription fee). There are no P5 conferences on ESPN+. ESPN+ currently has A10, American East, A-Sun, Big South, C-USA, Horizon League, Ivy League, MAAC, MAC, MVC, OVC, SoCon, Southland, Summit and Sun Belt.

Biggest Loser
UConn - Combing all of the issues for USF/Cincinnati above, they still have one of the nation's worst football programs, as well as one of the largest athletic budget deficits. UConn spends $7 million annually on travel costs alone, so the new TV deal revenue won't even fully cover those expenses. In the FY 2014, UConn earned nearly $14 million in payouts from the AAC. In 2032, UConn can only hope that they earn that much with CFP money and tournament credits assisting in elevating that revenue.

This post is mostly spot on. I question UC taking a back seat in football to Memphis and Houston (but certainly not UCF at this point). UC won 11 games and the Military Bowl last year. Thankfully the Tuberville days are behind us.

UC is still a strong candidate for P5 inclusion should any more changes take place.
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We had this ironed out back in July when I said AAC would sign early, see more games online, and get no more than $8 million per team and no less than $5 million per.

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(03-20-2019 07:23 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
Quote:A few years ago they found that MAC games on ESPN3 were averaging around 3K viewers. ESPN 3 is accessible to far more people than ESPN+. I suspect CBS-Sports does much better than 3K a game. CBS-Sports is located in the sports tier with the ESPN's, NBC-Sports, FSN-1, etc...so Im much more likely to check out CBS-Sports as I scroll through the sports networks than I am to randomly flip over to ESPN-Plus. Ive had ESPN+ since football season and I think Ive only watched one game on it.
Uhh...CBSSN is on the higher or highest tier. The others are on basic/lowest tier.

We've been around this mulberry bush. Coog overrates the subscriber base of CBS-SN. But if you pay for the package that has CBS-SN, I'd expect it to have a channel number in the sports range around ESPNU or NBCSN or NFL Network etc.
CBSSN is so important to CBS that they don't even put NCAA tournament games on there and haven't used the possibility of games there to up carriage numbers.
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(03-19-2019 11:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There are still questions to be answered that will ultimately have a bearing how good or bad this deal actually is. 04-cheers

This deal doesn't surprise me, it's basically what i predicted. I predicted $8m and it is $7m, and I also predicted that we would end up trading "exposure for money" in that ESPN would insist on transferring a non-trivial amount of content to ESPN+, and that's also what has apparently happened. I also didn't think there would be a bump in money for the last year of the current deal, and that also is apparently what has happened. But just because it's what I expected doesn't mean that's cause for happiness. I have always had low expectations for Aresco, who said a few months ago that the deal would be in the "P5 range" or somesuch.

No question, there are details about the deal that could come out that could make it look better than it currently looks, and if that happens, then my assessment would change. But I'm not convinced more games on ABC is a big deal. If a game is currently on ESPNU, or CBSSN, and it gets transferred to ESPN+, that is a bigger loss of exposure than moving it from ESPN2 to ABC would be a gain in exposure, so a few more games on ABC wouldn't in my view compensate for the movement to PLUS.

You or I could have negotiated this deal, so I'm not sure what we paid Aresco for.
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(03-19-2019 11:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Give Aresco credit for getting as good a deal as he could.

To me, the deal validates my view that Aresco is vastly overpaid. He makes $1.8m a year, which is in the "P5 range".

Six years ago, when Aresco signed the peanuts deal, we were told that given the instability of the conference and a lack of a track record, God Himself couldn't have gotten us a better deal. So we would be paying Aresco a P5-level salary for seven years in hopes that in 2020, his TV magic would deliver a big deal, a "P5 range" deal as he said a few months back.

But if the media reports are correct, Aresco has signed a deal that you or I could have negotiated. It's not a P5-range deal. it is a deal that merely meets what our ratings over the past six years would warrant.

And, we had to make concessions on exposure - moving content to ESPN+ - to get it.

And, the $7m a year figure is for 12 long years.

And apparently, there was no "bump" in this deal for the last year of the current contract, which some around here were touting.

My hope at this point is that Aresco will retire, but given how much he makes for how little he achieves, that is unlikely. The only contract Aresco has ever signed that is in the P5 "range and conversation" is his own.
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RE: AAC TV contract done
Looking at the tax records, NCAA units, etc. It looks like the conference will have about $50 million extra to distribute each year from, e.g., 2017. The conference will earn about $60 more in media money as compared to 2017 according to tax records, but lose about $10-11 million this year in revenue from NCAA tourney units as compared to 2017 with the BE credits continuing to drop off. It will drop a bit more next year too, unless a couple teams have nice runs in this year's tourney (the conference earn 18 units in 2013 due to Louisville's title and Marquette's elite 8 appearance). So, each school, on average, will receive an extra $4 million or so per year over their 2017 income. Should help the budgets a bit a some schools. Not sure it is going to make much of a dent in the finances at a place like UConn.
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