(04-01-2019 03:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 03:25 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 07:48 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 11:30 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 10:44 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/one-for-the-age...19225.html

Talent is the single most important factor. Oh.. wait ... That's not right

2015 - 2018 average class rank (rounded) per 247Sports:
Auburn 17th or top 5% of D1
Mich St 22nd or top 6% of D1
Virginia 58th or top 16% of D1
Texas Tech 70th or top 20% of D1

2019 rank class rank to date per 247Sports:
Texas Tech 14th
Auburn 18th
Mich St 22nd
Virginia 35th

Clearly, talent level (including this unusual year) is the most important single factor for success because all teams at least averaged in the top 20% in D-1 recruiting. No coach is winning with bad or even average talent. Futhermore, the FF coaches obviously recognize the importance of talent because they each have strong 2019 classes (to date). If coaching was more important than talent, then they would be content with 150th ranked class.

Finally, Memphis beat WSU twice, finished ahead of WSU in the standings, and had better regular season metrics than WSU (final not available yet). Either you must agree that coaching was the single most important factor for Memphis success over WSU or talent level was the single most important factor for success; but you cannot choose both. Which is it?

Triggered.

True, it originates through exasperation because, like flat earth adherents, some WSU fans are impervious to facts and logic despite patient attempts to educate.

I cease appeals to reason. Carry on....

Your own facts counter prove your own argument ... yet you carry on. I believe that means YOU are impervious to facts and logic.

69 teams with better talent than Tech ... yet, Tech is one of the last 4. hmmm maybe because coaching is the single most important factor. Followed by experience. THEN talent.

Tech is a decent example of what you’re talking about b/c they do have a good coach. They have pretty good talent (better than most in the AAC), but not as good as any of the remaining teams in the tournament.

On the other side, having five star freshman talent doesn’t guarantee championships. Actually those types of teams almost never win it all. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t successful though. Most of us would love to be the Fab 5 and make a multiple runs to the Championship game or be Duke and make the Elite 8.

You can make a run being a VCU type team, but that sort of thing doesn’t happen every year (at least not consistently with the same program).

(04-01-2019 06:44 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 03:40 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 02:24 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 07:55 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 07:48 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  Triggered.

still winless vs Penny

You may be the most triggered poster on the board.

Lol

I’m just totally amused by you Wichita clowns. It’ll be fun watching penny continue to ***** slap your team around the next few years.

Whatever triggers you at night.

If being triggered is laughing at what a joke your basketball program and it’s fans are, then I guess I am.

(04-01-2019 10:59 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Penny was the Memphis coach of the team that beat WSU twice (once by double digits with a freshman scoring 16 points) and significantly improved performance metics compared to Tubby and yet you give Penny zero credit.
It is a telling omission.

Look, WSU is not in the MVC anymore. You should understand by now that it will take more than a group of hearty 3* to consistently compete for the AAC upper tier.

They've already changed their narrative from "Penny cant coach" to "it was all the coaching that Tubby did the year before". I am really looking forward to what nonsense excuses will be posted by the end of next season when Coach 'Em Up is 0-4 against Hardaway.

Replacing 4 juco players w/

Wiseman - # 1 player in the country, offers from everyone
Jeffries - former KY commit, offers from 9 NCAA tournament teams
Dandridge - offers from 5 tournament teams
Baugh - offers from 5 teams (including 2 in this years F4)

which group would you rather have?

(04-02-2019 08:11 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 10:59 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Penny was the Memphis coach of the team that beat WSU twice (once by double digits with a freshman scoring 16 points) and significantly improved performance metics compared to Tubby and yet you give Penny zero credit.
It is a telling omission.

Look, WSU is not in the MVC anymore. You should understand by now that it will take more than a group of hearty 3* to consistently compete for the AAC upper tier.

They've already changed their narrative from "Penny cant coach" to "it was all the coaching that Tubby did the year before". I am really looking forward to what nonsense excuses will be posted by the end of next season when Coach 'Em Up is 0-4 against Hardaway.

Replacing 4 juco players w/

Wiseman - # 1 player in the country, offers from everyone
Jeffries - former KY commit, offers from 9 NCAA tournament teams
Dandridge - offers from 5 tournament teams
Baugh - offers from 5 teams (including 2 in this years F4)

which group would you rather have?

No sane coach (Marshall included who signed Lomax) would turn down signing 4* and above talent level. The trick is securing the players.

(04-02-2019 09:17 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(04-02-2019 08:11 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 10:59 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Penny was the Memphis coach of the team that beat WSU twice (once by double digits with a freshman scoring 16 points) and significantly improved performance metics compared to Tubby and yet you give Penny zero credit.
It is a telling omission.

Look, WSU is not in the MVC anymore. You should understand by now that it will take more than a group of hearty 3* to consistently compete for the AAC upper tier.

They've already changed their narrative from "Penny cant coach" to "it was all the coaching that Tubby did the year before". I am really looking forward to what nonsense excuses will be posted by the end of next season when Coach 'Em Up is 0-4 against Hardaway.

Replacing 4 juco players w/

Wiseman - # 1 player in the country, offers from everyone
Jeffries - former KY commit, offers from 9 NCAA tournament teams
Dandridge - offers from 5 tournament teams
Baugh - offers from 5 teams (including 2 in this years F4)

which group would you rather have?

No sane coach (Marshall included who signed Lomax) would turn down signing 4* and above talent level. “The trick is securing the players.”

Yeah check out how Michigan State has gone about their business. AKA land a one and done here and there, but mainly get guys that will be around for a few years. Michigan State has 3 top 50 players (one that was a 5 star) with 3 years of D1 experience. They also have a 4 star guy that’s a senior. Experience helps, but they have all 3 (talent, coaching and experience).

(04-01-2019 08:24 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 06:44 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 03:40 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 02:24 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 07:55 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  still winless vs Penny

You may be the most triggered poster on the board.

Lol

I’m just totally amused by you Wichita clowns. It’ll be fun watching penny continue to ***** slap your team around the next few years.

Whatever triggers you at night.

If being triggered is laughing at what a joke your basketball program and it’s fans are, then I guess I am.

its*

Still triggered.

(04-02-2019 09:40 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-02-2019 09:17 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(04-02-2019 08:11 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 10:59 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Penny was the Memphis coach of the team that beat WSU twice (once by double digits with a freshman scoring 16 points) and significantly improved performance metics compared to Tubby and yet you give Penny zero credit.
It is a telling omission.

Look, WSU is not in the MVC anymore. You should understand by now that it will take more than a group of hearty 3* to consistently compete for the AAC upper tier.

They've already changed their narrative from "Penny cant coach" to "it was all the coaching that Tubby did the year before". I am really looking forward to what nonsense excuses will be posted by the end of next season when Coach 'Em Up is 0-4 against Hardaway.

Replacing 4 juco players w/

Wiseman - # 1 player in the country, offers from everyone
Jeffries - former KY commit, offers from 9 NCAA tournament teams
Dandridge - offers from 5 tournament teams
Baugh - offers from 5 teams (including 2 in this years F4)

which group would you rather have?

No sane coach (Marshall included who signed Lomax) would turn down signing 4* and above talent level. “The trick is securing the players.”

Yeah check out how Michigan State has gone about their business. AKA land a one and done here and there, but mainly get guys that will be around for a few years. Michigan State has 3 top 50 players (one that was a 5 star) with 3 years of D1 experience. They also have a 4 star guy that’s a senior. Experience helps, but they have all 3 (talent, coaching and experience).

I think Penny will do the same type of thing here. It’ll take a couple of years to stagger the roster and a lot of that is because of so many transfers under Pastner & Tubby plus TS’s lack of recruiting. As of now, wiseman would be the only O & D on next year’s team. So looking ahead in 2 years you’ll have Jeffries, Dandridge, ALo, Tyler, Boyce, Baugh, Thomas with a year under their belt and adding Matt Murrell and Chris Moore plus whoever else they get in 2020.

Virginia coogin it.

LOL this ending. Now Auburn tryin to coog it!

Wow. Rough call but the right one. Take your chances with the guy shooting a turn around three. Never foul

I'll say it again, my bracket busted and this tourney was short on Cinderellas, but gave us plenty of exciting down to the wire finishes. Props to Guy for icewater in the veins FT shooting

I did not see the alleged double double in real time. Did anyone notice it?

(04-06-2019 07:45 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

I did not see the alleged double double in real time. Did anyone notice it?

Dribbled off the back of his leg at half court, picked it up and then dribbled again. With like 3 to go

(04-06-2019 07:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 07:45 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

I did not see the alleged double double in real time. Did anyone notice it?

Dribbled off the back of his leg at half court, picked it up and then dribbled again. With like 3 to go

Thanks, I remember now but did not pick up on it at the time.