https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/03/25/h...ool-split/

Appears 1 unit is $1.8 million over the six-year payout window.

B10
18 Units So Far
Max Units 24

ACC
17 Units So Far
Max Units 25

SEC
16 units so far
Max Units 23

B12
11 units so far
Max Units 13

P12
7 units so far
Max Units 9

AAC (Article did mention AAC. But I believe should be the same as P12 numbers from the article.)
7 units so far
Max Units 9

BE
5 Units so Far
Max Units 5

Why aren't units given out for the championship game?

The American with 7 units this year is already the best performance since 2014 when UConn won it all.

Here are the other leagues units circa 2014-19:

ACC = 114 & counting
Big 10 = 94 & counting
Big 12 = 86 & counting
SEC = 79 & counting
Pac 12 = 61 & counting
Big East = 60
American = 34 & counting
A10 = 31
WCC = 25 & counting
MVC = 19
MWC = 16
CUSA = 10
Sun Belt = 8
MAC = 8

Nearly half of the MVC units were left behind by Wichita St.

Note, the American has 11 units from 2014 rolling off next year, the A10 has 13 rolling off from 2014 as well.

Units are paid out over six years and are worth approximately $275K each.

In the American, earning schools keep 25% of their units, while non-earning schools split the other 75% (6.8% each).

OVC at 9
NEC at 9
Southland at 8
Summit at 8

Folks kind of overrate these units....
ACC gets 114 units so far at 275k. That's a payout next year of 31,350,000. Divide by 15 and that's 2.09 million per school
Big East gets 60 units at 275k. That's a payout next year of 16,500,000. Divide by 10 and that's 1.65 million per school
even AAC. They get 34 units so far at 275k. That's a payout of 9,350,000. Divide by 12 and that's 0.78 million per school

Yeah it's something, but it's not a huge differentiation either. Definitely the TV money and CFP money means a lot more.

(03-27-2019 08:37 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  The American with 7 units this year is already the best performance since 2014 when UConn won it all.

Here are the other leagues units circa 2014-19:

ACC = 114 & counting
Big 10 = 94 & counting
Big 12 = 83 & counting
SEC = 79 & counting
Pac 12 = 61 & counting
Big East = 60
American = 34 & counting
A10 = 34
WCC = 25 & counting
MVC = 19
MWC = 16
CUSA = 10
Sun Belt = 8
MAC = 8

Nearly half of the MVC units were left behind by Wichita St.

Note, the American has 11 units from 2014 rolling off next year, the A10 has 13 rolling off from 2014 as well.

Units are paid out over six years and are worth approximately $275K each.

In the American, earning schools keep 25% of their units, while non-earning schools split the other 75% (6.8% each).

I've got the B12 at 86, the A10 at 31. Otherwise my numbers match.

B12
2014 13
2015 12
2016 16
2017 15
2018 19
2019 11

A10
2014 10
2015 5
2016 5
2017 4
2018 5
2019 2

I just double checked my count on Sports-Reference.com and it is accurate. I'll upload a complete spreadsheet after the Elite Eight.

(03-27-2019 12:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  OVC at 9
NEC at 9
Southland at 8
Summit at 8

Matches my count.

(03-27-2019 08:37 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  The American with 7 units this year is already the best performance since 2014 when UConn won it all.

Here are the other leagues units circa 2014-19:

ACC = 114 & counting
Big 10 = 94 & counting
Big 12 = 83 & counting
SEC = 79 & counting
Pac 12 = 61 & counting
Big East = 60
American = 34 & counting
A10 = 34
WCC = 25 & counting
MVC = 19
MWC = 16
CUSA = 10
Sun Belt = 8
MAC = 8

Nearly half of the MVC units were left behind by Wichita St.

Note, the American has 11 units from 2014 rolling off next year, the A10 has 13 rolling off from 2014 as well.

Units are paid out over six years and are worth approximately $275K each.

In the American, earning schools keep 25% of their units, while non-earning schools split the other 75% (6.8% each).

Used the NCAA credits and A10 TV contract with piss poor attendance as the reasons we must leave the A10. Was finally able to convince the most pro BB fans on the umasshoops board that BB should not drive the bus.

When the musical chairs stop in 2023-26 and we are not in the AAC then we must accept an invite to the MAC if available.

http://www.umasshoops.com/newboard/viewt...=1&t=16133

(03-27-2019 01:54 PM)orangefan Wrote:  I've got the B12 at 86, the A10 at 31. Otherwise my numbers match.

You're right. My bad.

(03-27-2019 01:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Folks kind of overrate these units....
ACC gets 114 units so far at 275k. That's a payout next year of 31,350,000. Divide by 15 and that's 2.09 million per school
Big East gets 60 units at 275k. That's a payout next year of 16,500,000. Divide by 10 and that's 1.65 million per school
even AAC. They get 34 units so far at 275k. That's a payout of 9,350,000. Divide by 12 and that's 0.78 million per school

Yeah it's something, but it's not a huge differentiation either. Definitely the TV money and CFP money means a lot more.

Agreed. Basketball revenue distribution is much more egalitarian.

(03-27-2019 01:59 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 12:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  OVC at 9
NEC at 9
Southland at 8
Summit at 8

Matches my count.

So other conferences are 6 right?

(03-27-2019 03:30 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 01:59 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 12:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  OVC at 9
NEC at 9
Southland at 8
Summit at 8

Matches my count.

So other conferences are 6 right?

Again, I will upload my spreadsheet after the Elite 8, either Sunday night or Monday morning. Here's my count of units for the 2020 Basketball Fund through last weekend's games.

America East Conference 8
American Athletic Conf. 34
Atlantic 10 Conference 31
Atlantic Coast Conference 114
Atlantic Sun Conference 9
Big 12 Conference 86
Big East Conference 60
Big Sky Conference 6
Big South Conference 7
Big Ten Conference 94
Big West Conference 10
Colonial Athletic Association 6
Conference USA 10
Horizon League 6
Ivy League 8
Metro Atlantic Athletic Conf. 6
Mid-American Conference 8
Mid-Eastern Athletic Conf. 7
Missouri Valley Conference 20
Mountain West Conference 16
Northeast Conference 9
Ohio Valley Conference 9
Pac-12 Conference 61
Patriot League 7
Southeastern Conference 79
Southern Conference 7
Southland Conference 8
Southwestern Athletic Conf. 7
Summit League 8
Sun Belt Conference 8
West Coast Conference 25
Western Athletic Conference 6

I believe it is 2013 that is rolling off, if wrong, I know someone will point that out. I would think conferences goal is to match or exceed the year rolling off. Just using the 7 conference from the original post.

2018 Units - 2013 Units (As of final 8) = Net Diff
AAC: 7- 19 = -12 (Final)
ACC: 19 -10 =+9
Big East: 5 -0 = +5 (Final)
Big 10: - 20 - 20 = 0
Big 12: 12 - 8 = +4
P12: 7 - 12 = -5 (Final)
SEC :18- 7 = +11

2013 Units based https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files...160505.pdf

(03-27-2019 01:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Folks kind of overrate these units....
ACC gets 114 units so far at 275k. That's a payout next year of 31,350,000. Divide by 15 and that's 2.09 million per school
Big East gets 60 units at 275k. That's a payout next year of 16,500,000. Divide by 10 and that's 1.65 million per school
even AAC. They get 34 units so far at 275k. That's a payout of 9,350,000. Divide by 12 and that's 0.78 million per school

Yeah it's something, but it's not a huge differentiation either. Definitely the TV money and CFP money means a lot more.

Funny thing is, its unit differences among P5 that are usually discussed, when these mean almost nothing. However, among G5, a difference of $500k per year in units, which might be 25% or more of the value of a media deal really is something, but is almost never discussed.

We hear about the ACC having 40 more units than the PAC, which is essentially meaningless, but not differencws between the AAC and Sun Belt.

With the SEC having clinched the unit from today's early game, the only one unit left to earned this year is in the Duke-Michigan State game. Here are the units earned in this year's tournament going into that game:

ACC 20
B1G 20
SEC 19
B12 13
AAC 7
P12 7
BEC 5
WCC 5

Curious does anyone have a link to the current units via a table for the six year periods?

(03-31-2019 07:02 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious does anyone have a link to the current units via a table for the six year periods?

I have searched extensively to find a definitive answer on the value for future years, with very little luck. This article says that the value will be around $281,000 for the 2020 tournament: https://www.cnhinews.com/cnhi/sports/art...f25f0.html I also read an article where the author used $300,000 as the average value of the units over the next three years. On the other hand, the NCAA has indicated on multiple occasions that it will be reducing the Basketball Fund to help fund the new Academic Performance Fund, which would suggest a reduction in unit values at some point.

(03-31-2019 09:39 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 07:02 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious does anyone have a link to the current units via a table for the six year periods?

I have searched extensively to find a definitive answer on the value for future years, with very little luck. This article says that the value will be around $281,000 for the 2020 tournament: https://www.cnhinews.com/cnhi/sports/art...f25f0.html I also read an article where the author used $300,000 as the average value of the units over the next three years. On the other hand, the NCAA has indicated on multiple occasions that it will be reducing the Basketball Fund to help fund the new Academic Performance Fund, which would suggest a reduction in unit values at some point.

Great find, orangefan! Answered some questions I had about this.

(03-30-2019 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  [quote='stever20' pid='16016591' dateline='1553709629']
Folks kind of overrate these units....
ACC gets 114 units so far at 275k. That's a payout next year of 31,350,000. Divide by 15 and that's 2.09 million per school
Big East gets 60 units at 275k. That's a payout next year of 16,500,000. Divide by 10 and that's 1.65 million per school
even AAC. They get 34 units so far at 275k. That's a payout of 9,350,000. Divide by 12 and that's 0.78 million per school

Yeah it's something, but it's not a huge differentiation either. Definitely the TV money and CFP money means a lot more.

A good article https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/2...money-ahah

Very interesting comparison between the P12 and ACC total value adding the previous years unit.

If, for example, the Pac-12 paid out the $4,923,000 evenly among all 12 schools, each school would receive $68,375 each year from 2019-2024, or less than the weekly salaries of both Sean Miller and Larry Krystkowiak.

The ACC, meanwhile, led all conferences with $36,102,000. If paid out evenly, each of the ACC's 15 schools would receive $401,133 each year from 2019-2014. Despite three more teams, it's still six times the amount for each Pac-12 school

The importance matching or besting the year rolling off is what a conference must do.

Pretty amazing that the B10 had 20 units rolling off and matched 20 Units to the final 8.

(03-31-2019 12:10 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  [quote='stever20' pid='16016591' dateline='1553709629']
Folks kind of overrate these units....
ACC gets 114 units so far at 275k. That's a payout next year of 31,350,000. Divide by 15 and that's 2.09 million per school
Big East gets 60 units at 275k. That's a payout next year of 16,500,000. Divide by 10 and that's 1.65 million per school
even AAC. They get 34 units so far at 275k. That's a payout of 9,350,000. Divide by 12 and that's 0.78 million per school

Yeah it's something, but it's not a huge differentiation either. Definitely the TV money and CFP money means a lot more.

A good article https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/2...money-ahah

Very interesting comparison between the P12 and ACC total value adding the previous years unit.

If, for example, the Pac-12 paid out the $4,923,000 evenly among all 12 schools, each school would receive $68,375 each year from 2019-2024, or less than the weekly salaries of both Sean Miller and Larry Krystkowiak.

The ACC, meanwhile, led all conferences with $36,102,000. If paid out evenly, each of the ACC's 15 schools would receive $401,133 each year from 2019-2014. Despite three more teams, it's still six times the amount for each Pac-12 school

The importance matching or besting the year rolling off is what a conference must do.

Pretty amazing that the B10 had 20 units rolling off and matched 20 Units to the final 8.

And even besting will be difficult in one particular case. The ACC starting with next year's replacement (of the 12 units from 2013-14 with what is earned in 2019-20) will likely only ever be in a matching or losing scenario in terms of total units after that. The league over the past five seasons (this one included) has averaged 21 units per year which, in my opinion, is the max under the current system.

The only things I can think of that will change this and allow the max to rise to let's say 24 per year on a consistent basis are tournament expansion or several of the lower level conferences pull out due to unsustainable ability to compete economically (opening up more at-large spots) or if units are extended through the championship game or some combination of those possibilities.

Cheers,
Neil