I assume you don't want to sit on (6) six round picks? Is there another position you would trade up for? I have no clue on Bengals draft needs - that's why I'm asking.
Sure. I just wouldn't trade up to get a backup qb.
Who's your backup if Dalton goes down? Is he better than someone else still on the board? Never bad to have some depth/competition in the QB room. Only four QB's have been taken thus far.
You get in trouble when guys like Tobin think they are the smartest guy in the room. What the f has Tobin done for anyone especially him to think he knows how to pick talent?
Terrible free agency.
2 round reach.
Pratt an inside backer type picked to play outside and leave Preston brown who can’t cover as an inside backer and nickel linebacker. This jv coaching staff has no clue.
I assume you don't want to sit on (6) six round picks? Is there another position you would trade up for? I have no clue on Bengals draft needs - that's why I'm asking.
Sure. I just wouldn't trade up to get a backup qb.
Who's your backup if Dalton goes down? Is he better than someone else still on the board? Never bad to have some depth/competition in the QB room. Only four QB's have been taken thus far.
I agree with mark. Driskell is the current backup. He's not going to ever hold down a starting job but he's adequate as a backup for a team that likely isn't going anywhere this year, especially if Dalton gets hurt. Combine that with the fact that any team even remotely interested in a quality QB has already made their move and I see no reason to move up for one now. There are still some QBs out there worth drafting and the Bengals will probably take one (guessing in R6) but I don't see any of them being especially better as a rookie not getting starter reps than a 4th year guy like Driskell (as low as that bar is). Plus mediocre backups get cut every year and are always available near the final roster cutdown so there could easily be one better than Driskell there for the taking.
(This post was last modified: 04-27-2019 12:51 AM by Bearhawkeye.)
(04-26-2019 11:32 AM)Cat-Man Wrote: Paul Dehner Jr. writes the Bengals should target these guys (among others) today. I have to admit, I don't know about Cashman, but he intrigues me.
Te’von Coney, LB, Notre Dame
The Bengals still need to fill the linebacker hole. Coney brings instincts and productivity from the Irish. He might not have the explosion and twitch of Devin White and Devin Bush, but his feel for the game, three-down potential and playmaking are things the Bengals lack.
Blake Cashman, LB, Minnesota
Moved from walk-on to the centerpiece of one of the best defensive turnarounds in football last year. Cashman can run, too, with his 4.5 40. Have to love everything about the makeup and football IQ here.
Kahale Warring, TE, San Diego State
A rare athlete who could be comparable to Tyler Eifert after a year of molding. Convenient considering Eifert is on a one-year deal and his health is always a question. His addition would make for a versatile and dynamic tight end room.
Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M
Need to know if the tight end will work in this system? How about going to where offensive line coach Jim Turner coached last year and Sternberger blew up for 832 yards and 10 touchdowns.
Drew Lock, QB, Missouri
Not many expected Lock to slip out of the first round. Now, many of the quarterback-needy teams already have their man with Washington, Arizona and the Giants already matched up. He would be a steal at 42 and could develop into something much bigger down the line.
Cashman still available but not rated very highly on espn's board (#14 still available ILB). Coney also available and is #3 still available ILB behind his teammate at ND Tranquill (#1 sa) and Alabama's Mack Wilson (#2 sa). I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of them becoming a Bengal.
I assume you don't want to sit on (6) six round picks? Is there another position you would trade up for? I have no clue on Bengals draft needs - that's why I'm asking.
Sure. I just wouldn't trade up to get a backup qb.
Who's your backup if Dalton goes down? Is he better than someone else still on the board? Never bad to have some depth/competition in the QB room. Only four QB's have been taken thus far.
I agree with mark. Driskell is the current backup. He's not going to ever hold down a starting job but he's adequate as a backup for a team that likely isn't going anywhere this year, especially if Dalton gets hurt. Combine that with the fact that any team even remotely interested in a quality QB has already made their move and I see no reason to move up for one now. There are still some QBs out there worth drafting and the Bengals will probably take one (guessing in R6) but I don't see any of them being especially better as a rookie not getting starter reps than a 4th year guy like Driskell (as low as that bar is). Plus mediocre backups get cut every year and are always available near the final roster cutdown so there could easily be one better than Driskell there for the taking.
I guess my point is with 6 picks in the 6th round, you're pretty much going to get backups anyway. It comes down to drafting philosophy. The kid from West Virginia (QB Grier) was rated as a potential NFL starter and he got picked last night late in the third round. What if it turns out he's better than Driskell? It wasn't like you had to give up a ton to get him or some other quality QB prospect. It's moot now...
(04-26-2019 09:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I assume you don't want to sit on (6) six round picks? Is there another position you would trade up for? I have no clue on Bengals draft needs - that's why I'm asking.
Sure. I just wouldn't trade up to get a backup qb.
Who's your backup if Dalton goes down? Is he better than someone else still on the board? Never bad to have some depth/competition in the QB room. Only four QB's have been taken thus far.
I agree with mark. Driskell is the current backup. He's not going to ever hold down a starting job but he's adequate as a backup for a team that likely isn't going anywhere this year, especially if Dalton gets hurt. Combine that with the fact that any team even remotely interested in a quality QB has already made their move and I see no reason to move up for one now. There are still some QBs out there worth drafting and the Bengals will probably take one (guessing in R6) but I don't see any of them being especially better as a rookie not getting starter reps than a 4th year guy like Driskell (as low as that bar is). Plus mediocre backups get cut every year and are always available near the final roster cutdown so there could easily be one better than Driskell there for the taking.
I guess my point is with 6 picks in the 6th round, you're pretty much going to get backups anyway. It comes down to drafting philosophy. The kid from West Virginia (QB Grier) was rated as a potential NFL starter and he got picked last night late in the third round. What if it turns out he's better than Driskell? It wasn't like you had to give up a ton to get him or some other quality QB prospect. It's moot now...
I don't want them to move up for a QB. I don't have any issue with them taking one. I wouldn't mind them packaging picks to move up if there is someone whose potential they love, though honestly just being able to draft a bunch of guys, get them to camp and see if any work out seems like a good strategy too. So much of late round is random and chance.
So they move up and take a backup QB that won't help you and is in the same mold as Dalton. (accurate but not a strong arm) Sounds like another wasted pick to me. Seriously questioning if this staff (or even Tobin) knows what they are doing. They are drafting like a team that came off a playoff season last year and are taking backup guys to help them in future, not a team who has holes to fill now.
(04-26-2019 09:39 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: Sure. I just wouldn't trade up to get a backup qb.
Who's your backup if Dalton goes down? Is he better than someone else still on the board? Never bad to have some depth/competition in the QB room. Only four QB's have been taken thus far.
I agree with mark. Driskell is the current backup. He's not going to ever hold down a starting job but he's adequate as a backup for a team that likely isn't going anywhere this year, especially if Dalton gets hurt. Combine that with the fact that any team even remotely interested in a quality QB has already made their move and I see no reason to move up for one now. There are still some QBs out there worth drafting and the Bengals will probably take one (guessing in R6) but I don't see any of them being especially better as a rookie not getting starter reps than a 4th year guy like Driskell (as low as that bar is). Plus mediocre backups get cut every year and are always available near the final roster cutdown so there could easily be one better than Driskell there for the taking.
I guess my point is with 6 picks in the 6th round, you're pretty much going to get backups anyway. It comes down to drafting philosophy. The kid from West Virginia (QB Grier) was rated as a potential NFL starter and he got picked last night late in the third round. What if it turns out he's better than Driskell? It wasn't like you had to give up a ton to get him or some other quality QB prospect. It's moot now...
I don't want them to move up for a QB. I don't have any issue with them taking one. I wouldn't mind them packaging picks to move up if there is someone whose potential they love, though honestly just being able to draft a bunch of guys, get them to camp and see if any work out seems like a good strategy too. So much of late round is random and chance.
Well it wasn't totally moot as it turns out. And I'm actually going to backtrack from my previous post. I hadn't really dug in deep enough on Finley in particular at that point and that's my mistake. After hearing some of the other takes on Finley (e.g. McShay saying he thought he had a chance to go in R1) and finding out that Finley was a guy they had targeted as similar to Goff and to an extent Dalton and that he was the only QB they had in to visit along with his age and experience, I'm not only good with the move but I really like it. If there's a guy out there they really like and the price is reasonable, well that's part of the reason you accumulate late picks. I'm still glad they didn't trade up earlier for a QB, but at this point in the draft where it is only costing you 2 of the 6 6th rounders you have to get a guy you have targeted, it was worth going for even if he ends up as a career backup.
Gotta figure the Bengals will jump on Coney with one of their last 6th rounders if he lasts another couple of picks to make it there.
edit: Or not if they like the Auburn ILB better which I guess they do since they just took him. Coney kept getting a lot of mentions by the Enquirer in particular as a guy to keep an eye on for the Bengals. I wonder if something changed or they just had bad info.
(This post was last modified: 04-27-2019 03:54 PM by Bearhawkeye.)
(04-27-2019 10:19 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I guess my point is with 6 picks in the 6th round, you're pretty much going to get backups anyway. It comes down to drafting philosophy. The kid from West Virginia (QB Grier) was rated as a potential NFL starter and he got picked last night late in the third round. What if it turns out he's better than Driskell? It wasn't like you had to give up a ton to get him or some other quality QB prospect. It's moot now...
I don't want them to move up for a QB. I don't have any issue with them taking one. I wouldn't mind them packaging picks to move up if there is someone whose potential they love, though honestly just being able to draft a bunch of guys, get them to camp and see if any work out seems like a good strategy too. So much of late round is random and chance.
Well it wasn't totally moot as it turns out. And I'm actually going to backtrack from my previous post. I hadn't really dug in deep enough on Finley in particular at that point and that's my mistake. After hearing some of the other takes on Finley (e.g. McShay saying he thought he had a chance to go in R1) and finding out that Finley was a guy they had targeted as similar to Goff and to an extent Dalton and that he was the only QB they had in to visit along with his age and experience, I'm not only good with the move but I really like it. If there's a guy out there they really like and the price is reasonable, well that's part of the reason you accumulate late picks. I'm still glad they didn't trade up earlier for a QB, but at this point in the draft where it is only costing you 2 of the 6 6th rounders you have to get a guy you have targeted, it was worth going for even if he ends up as a career backup.
I had forgotten about Finley. CBS Sports listed him as the 5th best QB prospect in the draft and Grier was 6th. New England took Stidham from Auburn and he was rated 8th best and picked #133 overall. The Bengals took Finley #104 overall and Carolina selected Grier #100 overall. I'd say the Bengals got great value for a backup who may be better than Driskell and a serviceable starter if Dalton gets injured or when the Bengals transition from Dalton in the near future.
Quote from Bengals OC Brian Callahan: “You’re going to have to be able to run the ball in the league, the best teams at the end of the year do that well."
Quote from Browns HC Freddie Kitchens: "this is a pass-oriented league. You need to be able to throw the ball and you need to be able to stop people from throwing the ball."
(04-28-2019 09:46 AM)Cat-Man Wrote: Quote from Bengals OC Brian Callahan: “You’re going to have to be able to run the ball in the league, the best teams at the end of the year do that well."
Quote from Browns HC Freddie Kitchens: "this is a pass-oriented league. You need to be able to throw the ball and you need to be able to stop people from throwing the ball."
They're both not wrong. It is a pass oriented league now but you still have to have the ability to run the ball effectively at critical points in the game. I think the Kansas City Chiefs are the perfect example of this. I can't speak to the context of Callahan's comments but Kitchens was being asked about the Browns taking CB Greedy Williams with their first pick in the 2nd round. The Browns got torched on some big pass plays last season on the side opposite Denzel Ward.
(04-28-2019 09:46 AM)Cat-Man Wrote: Quote from Bengals OC Brian Callahan: “You’re going to have to be able to run the ball in the league, the best teams at the end of the year do that well."
Quote from Browns HC Freddie Kitchens: "this is a pass-oriented league. You need to be able to throw the ball and you need to be able to stop people from throwing the ball."
I noticed both of those two seemingly contradictory takes as well. Similar to kenpom's college basketball takes, I think the reality is your best bet is to be balanced. Otherwise teams will eventually figure out how to neutralize your stength and/or exploit your weakness.
(04-27-2019 10:19 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I guess my point is with 6 picks in the 6th round, you're pretty much going to get backups anyway. It comes down to drafting philosophy. The kid from West Virginia (QB Grier) was rated as a potential NFL starter and he got picked last night late in the third round. What if it turns out he's better than Driskell? It wasn't like you had to give up a ton to get him or some other quality QB prospect. It's moot now...
I don't want them to move up for a QB. I don't have any issue with them taking one. I wouldn't mind them packaging picks to move up if there is someone whose potential they love, though honestly just being able to draft a bunch of guys, get them to camp and see if any work out seems like a good strategy too. So much of late round is random and chance.
Well it wasn't totally moot as it turns out. And I'm actually going to backtrack from my previous post. I hadn't really dug in deep enough on Finley in particular at that point and that's my mistake. After hearing some of the other takes on Finley (e.g. McShay saying he thought he had a chance to go in R1) and finding out that Finley was a guy they had targeted as similar to Goff and to an extent Dalton and that he was the only QB they had in to visit along with his age and experience, I'm not only good with the move but I really like it. If there's a guy out there they really like and the price is reasonable, well that's part of the reason you accumulate late picks. I'm still glad they didn't trade up earlier for a QB, but at this point in the draft where it is only costing you 2 of the 6 6th rounders you have to get a guy you have targeted, it was worth going for even if he ends up as a career backup.
I had forgotten about Finley. CBS Sports listed him as the 5th best QB prospect in the draft and Grier was 6th. New England took Stidham from Auburn and he was rated 8th best and picked #133 overall. The Bengals took Finley #104 overall and Carolina selected Grier #100 overall. I'd say the Bengals got great value for a backup who may be better than Driskell and a serviceable starter if Dalton gets injured or when the Bengals transition from Dalton in the near future.
I also forgot the Bengals picked up Brad Kaaya in the offseason. (I bet you didn't know that Kaaya's mom played Felisha in the movie Friday. Yes hipsters, she was the subject of the original "Bye Felicia" quote!)
Unless he's a total flop, I figure they'll keep Finley as their #2 with Driskel and Kaaya fighting it out for #3 if they keep three. I think Kaaya is still eligible for the practice squad, but I'm guessing they're targeting undrafted free agent Jake Dolegada for that slot. He's the kind of guy I was thinking about pre-Finley trade wrt to there always being potentially adequate backup QBs out there. Easy guy to root for. Interesting reads about him here:
(04-28-2019 01:32 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: I also forgot the Bengals picked up Brad Kaaya in the offseason.
Unless he's a total flop, I figure they'll keep Finley as their #2 with Driskel and Kaaya fighting it out for #3 if they keep three.
I'd say that's a good take. BTW, I did not realize that Finley started at Boise St. and transferred to NCSU after his Sophomore year. Here are his numbers from his Senior year (not too shabby):
13 G 326 CMP 484 ATT 67.4 PCT. 3928 YDS 8.1 Y/A 25 TD 11 INT 148.0 RATE
Well, the bad news is 1st rounder Williams is out for the year and Boling decides to retire even before camp starts so the OL is shaping up as another crapshoot.
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Bengals and the 2019 NFL Draft
