(05-10-2019 09:52 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  Do you guys ever get tired of turning every thread into this?

No they don't. They literally add nothing to the conference talk. Hell if it weren't for their avatar names you wouldn't even know that Wichita was their favorite team. They're the only fans that only pop up to derail any and every thread that mentions Memphis. I mostly ignored them because I don't GAD about their team or their trolling.

(05-10-2019 09:52 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  Do you guys ever get tired of turning every thread into this?

Is it sad, that I kind of enjoy it? It makes me laugh at times.

At the end of the day, it’s two passionate fan bases going at each other. I wish all our teams had our passion.


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(05-10-2019 08:53 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I like when people claim to be "in the lead" for a recruit. Where are these recruiting scoreboards kept? How many points are they up on the next school?

In the lead means the highest payment offer currently. Bids are rising though. Clearly the top players will get at least $100,000.

(05-10-2019 08:53 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I like when people claim to be "in the lead" for a recruit. Where are these recruiting scoreboards kept? How many points are they up on the next school?

The “scoreboard” is primarily through 247Sports “Crystal Balls”. I find CB’s a dubious source until close to the announcement date, but speculation is fun.

(05-10-2019 10:15 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 08:53 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I like when people claim to be "in the lead" for a recruit. Where are these recruiting scoreboards kept? How many points are they up on the next school?

In the lead means the highest payment offer currently. Bids are rising though. Clearly the top players will get at least $100,000.

Memphis has to exercise great care to follow NCAA rules. We are not in the club like UNC.

(05-10-2019 09:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:51 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:40 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  I'll be glad when the dominoes start falling and we can move on with the highest rated class in AAC history in any of the two money sports. Classes like this will help the expel the "AAC is not a power conference " rhetoric. Unfortunately it won't help with this stickboy/ shockerfever guy. I can't wait until he gets banned.

Only if you win big with it .. otherwise it does the opposite.

Don't worry. If we get the players we're after, I can guarantee you that we won't pull a "shocker" . We'll actually win and win big.

You think Memphis will win big. What is the individual success rate (NC) of UK and Duke? Even with top freshmen players, chances are slim that Penny will achieve what you think he will.

(05-10-2019 10:33 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:51 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:40 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  I'll be glad when the dominoes start falling and we can move on with the highest rated class in AAC history in any of the two money sports. Classes like this will help the expel the "AAC is not a power conference " rhetoric. Unfortunately it won't help with this stickboy/ shockerfever guy. I can't wait until he gets banned.

Only if you win big with it .. otherwise it does the opposite.

Don't worry. If we get the players we're after, I can guarantee you that we won't pull a "shocker" . We'll actually win and win big.

You think Memphis will win big. What is the individual success rate (NC) of UK and Duke? Even with top freshmen players, chances are slim that Penny will achieve what you think he will.

This is the dumbest argument.. if you measure success rate by national championship (won by one team per year) then of course the success rate will be low for literally ANY strategy.

Duke/UNC have made the sweet 16 or higher almost every year (main exception being the Nerlens Noel year for UK) with their current strategy, I would say that is pretty successful.

Regardless of who else we sign, success to me would be S16, Wiseman goes high in the draft, and all the legit contributors stay. And we contend for the league title. Inexperience is the mitigating factor for me not being all in.

(05-10-2019 10:42 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:33 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:51 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:40 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  I'll be glad when the dominoes start falling and we can move on with the highest rated class in AAC history in any of the two money sports. Classes like this will help the expel the "AAC is not a power conference " rhetoric. Unfortunately it won't help with this stickboy/ shockerfever guy. I can't wait until he gets banned.

Only if you win big with it .. otherwise it does the opposite.

Don't worry. If we get the players we're after, I can guarantee you that we won't pull a "shocker" . We'll actually win and win big.

You think Memphis will win big. What is the individual success rate (NC) of UK and Duke? Even with top freshmen players, chances are slim that Penny will achieve what you think he will.

This is the dumbest argument.. if you measure success rate by national championship (won by one team per year) then of course the success rate will be low for literally ANY strategy.

Duke/UNC have made the sweet 16 or higher almost every year (main exception being the Nerlens Noel year for UK) with their current strategy, I would say that is pretty successful.

Sweet 16s are nice, but hardly winning big. If that is all Memphis nets with this kind of talent, it will be an okay season. When those Duke/KU/UNC/UK lose in the Sweet 16 or before they get made fun of mercilessly because they almost always lose to an inferior “coach em up” team.

(05-10-2019 10:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Regardless of who else we sign, success to me would be S16, Wiseman goes high in the draft, and all the legit contributors stay. And we contend for the league title. Inexperience is the mitigating factor for me not being all in.

If Wiseman is the only one to go in the top half of the first round, that would kill whatever recruiting momentum Penny has built up.

(05-10-2019 08:19 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Hold on the ride is going to be a crazy one this week for Memphis. Lester Quinones, number 49 player in the nation at 247, will announce at 4 central time today between Indiana and Memphis. Boogie Ellis, number 32 player in the nation (former Duke commit), is on a visit to Memphis now and wants to announce before the 15th. Memphis leads on Precious Achiuwa, the number 7 player in the nation, he will set an announcement date or announce soon. Late signing ends May 15th. If we get all three of these guys Memphis will have the number one recruiting class in the nation ... Until Kentucky picks up more recruits:-)

If you pull all three, I think you quickly become a preseason favorite for the final four.
My family in Indiana seems to think that Quinones is gonna be theirs but The Hoosiers always think they are gonna win out.

Good luck. Pulling for you.

(05-10-2019 10:50 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:42 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:33 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:51 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Only if you win big with it .. otherwise it does the opposite.

Don't worry. If we get the players we're after, I can guarantee you that we won't pull a "shocker" . We'll actually win and win big.

You think Memphis will win big. What is the individual success rate (NC) of UK and Duke? Even with top freshmen players, chances are slim that Penny will achieve what you think he will.

This is the dumbest argument.. if you measure success rate by national championship (won by one team per year) then of course the success rate will be low for literally ANY strategy.

Duke/UNC have made the sweet 16 or higher almost every year (main exception being the Nerlens Noel year for UK) with their current strategy, I would say that is pretty successful.

Sweet 16s are nice, but hardly winning big. If that is all Memphis nets with this kind of talent, it will be an okay season. When those Duke/KU/UNC/UK lose in the Sweet 16 or before they get made fun of mercilessly because they almost always lose to an inferior “coach em up” team.

I disagree. A S16 would be a successful season with the combination of such a young (but very talented) roster and a relatively inexperienced coach. Duke, UK etc are expected to have great success because of a combination of great talent AND coaching. Penny may turn out to be great or maybe not so great but this is his first time in this situation so a learning curve is to be expected.

(05-10-2019 10:50 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:42 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:33 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:51 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Only if you win big with it .. otherwise it does the opposite.

Don't worry. If we get the players we're after, I can guarantee you that we won't pull a "shocker" . We'll actually win and win big.

You think Memphis will win big. What is the individual success rate (NC) of UK and Duke? Even with top freshmen players, chances are slim that Penny will achieve what you think he will.

This is the dumbest argument.. if you measure success rate by national championship (won by one team per year) then of course the success rate will be low for literally ANY strategy.

Duke/UNC have made the sweet 16 or higher almost every year (main exception being the Nerlens Noel year for UK) with their current strategy, I would say that is pretty successful.

Sweet 16s are nice, but hardly winning big. If that is all Memphis nets with this kind of talent, it will be an okay season. When those Duke/KU/UNC/UK lose in the Sweet 16 or before they get made fun of mercilessly because they almost always lose to an inferior “coach em up” team.

With the kind of talent Memphis is expected to have, the team will likely be ranked in the 10-15 range. A sweet 16 finish means that your team finished as one of the 8-16 best teams - that would be right in line with rank and margin for error. Last year Duke was ranked in the top 3 most of the year and finished the season with a 2 point loss in the elite 8 (teams 4-8), that isn't a disappointment that's in line with expected outcome. If fans don't get that then they are just being foolish

(05-10-2019 11:00 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:50 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:42 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:33 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Don't worry. If we get the players we're after, I can guarantee you that we won't pull a "shocker" . We'll actually win and win big.

You think Memphis will win big. What is the individual success rate (NC) of UK and Duke? Even with top freshmen players, chances are slim that Penny will achieve what you think he will.

This is the dumbest argument.. if you measure success rate by national championship (won by one team per year) then of course the success rate will be low for literally ANY strategy.

Duke/UNC have made the sweet 16 or higher almost every year (main exception being the Nerlens Noel year for UK) with their current strategy, I would say that is pretty successful.

Sweet 16s are nice, but hardly winning big. If that is all Memphis nets with this kind of talent, it will be an okay season. When those Duke/KU/UNC/UK lose in the Sweet 16 or before they get made fun of mercilessly because they almost always lose to an inferior “coach em up” team.

With the kind of talent Memphis is expected to have, the team will likely be ranked in the 10-15 range. A sweet 16 finish means that your team finished as one of the 8-16 best teams - that would be right in line with rank and margin for error. Last year Duke was ranked in the top 3 most of the year and finished the season with a 2 point loss in the elite 8 (teams 4-8), that isn't a disappointment that's in line with expected outcome. If fans don't get that then they are just being foolish

That’s not how that works.

Boogie Ellis has finished his visit and now there is speculation coming from the lead sports writer at the Commercial Appeal that Memphis can either get Lester Creek Quinones or Boogie Ellis but not both. Their games are too similar.

A rising tide lifts all boats. I hope Memphis does well in the recruiting efforts and raises the profile of the conference.

(05-10-2019 10:51 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Regardless of who else we sign, success to me would be S16, Wiseman goes high in the draft, and all the legit contributors stay. And we contend for the league title. Inexperience is the mitigating factor for me not being all in.

If Wiseman is the only one to go in the top half of the first round, that would kill whatever recruiting momentum Penny has built up.

How so? Right now, Wiseman is projected #1 in the 2020 draft. Nobody else we signed is projected anywhere. I said, regardless of who else we sign...

Of the ones we are still chasing, only RJ Hampton, Achiuwa and Watford are projected, but we haven't signed any of them yet, and I only think we get maybe one of those. Probably Precious.

If so, then yeah, he needs to be a lottery pick, but if he's not, it isn't going to kill whatever mo Penny has. He already has that going into 2020.

Now, if we go 16-15, miss the tourney, and Precious doesn't get drafted, yeah sure. But that's a long way from your vision.

(05-10-2019 11:00 AM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:50 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:42 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 10:33 AM)MTXE Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 09:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Don't worry. If we get the players we're after, I can guarantee you that we won't pull a "shocker" . We'll actually win and win big.

You think Memphis will win big. What is the individual success rate (NC) of UK and Duke? Even with top freshmen players, chances are slim that Penny will achieve what you think he will.

This is the dumbest argument.. if you measure success rate by national championship (won by one team per year) then of course the success rate will be low for literally ANY strategy.

Duke/UNC have made the sweet 16 or higher almost every year (main exception being the Nerlens Noel year for UK) with their current strategy, I would say that is pretty successful.

Sweet 16s are nice, but hardly winning big. If that is all Memphis nets with this kind of talent, it will be an okay season. When those Duke/KU/UNC/UK lose in the Sweet 16 or before they get made fun of mercilessly because they almost always lose to an inferior “coach em up” team.

I disagree. A S16 would be a successful season with the combination of such a young (but very talented) roster and a relatively inexperienced coach. Duke, UK etc are expected to have great success because of a combination of great talent AND coaching. Penny may turn out to be great or maybe not so great but this is his first time in this situation so a learning curve is to be expected.

Yep. Duke only made the Elite 8 this year with Zion, Reddish and Barrett. A S16 for Memphis would be fine. Anything more would be gravy.

I don't think you can ever assume an E8 for any team. Too many variables.

(05-10-2019 11:55 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Boogie Ellis has finished his visit and now there is speculation coming from the lead sports writer at the Commercial Appeal that Memphis can either get Lester Creek Quinones or Boogie Ellis but not both. Their games are too similar.

That's ridiculous. Boogie would play PG, and Lester the 2. I think the obstacle to signing Boogie is that if he does, and we sign RJ Hampton at the end of May, then he just got recruited over.

Precious to Kansas seems to be picking up steam.