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RE: Media 2019-2020 Pre-Season AAC Predictions (updated 11/2/19)
(11-03-2019 12:24 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
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(11-02-2019 11:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I'm not sure what you mean by this? In 2017-18, they were picked 2nd in the preseason and finished 2nd. In 2018-19, they were picked 8th and finished 6th.

They're picked 4th this year and be a borderline NCAA team. How is that "lowered"?
For some reason there is this perception that WSU has been down for several years. People forget that 2 years ago WSU was ranked all year and as high as #3...

It's literally only been 1 down year for Wichita. And that down year was an NIT final four year...

Thanks for this brief summary.

I was referring to team's performances in the NCAA tournament since their final four trip several year back, rather than the 2017 2nd place finish or last year's success in the NIT.

I have been a fan of the Shockers since they were in the MVC, rooted for them against Creighton, and was hugely impressed by Marshall's coaching their final four year. I keep hoping that they make their way to the sweet sixteen, at least, and would love to see the Shockers battle for 1st or 2nd place this season.

They made the Sweet 16 two years later in 2015.

Thanks for the support.
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RE: Media 2019-2020 Pre-Season AAC Predictions (updated 11/2/19)
(11-03-2019 12:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 11:30 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 08:47 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 08:06 PM)Miggy Wrote:  So saying Temple lost it’s best player is a very myopic view, especially since this incoming season, Temple will likely have six players who will shoot three’s better than Alston did.

thats wild to say....there isnt a singe better 3point shooter on your roster better than alston...its not even close...its no even kinda close

shizz had to carry your offense and was shooting heavily contest 3s off the dribble ..you equated deep bench players who shot 1 3 a game when they were wide open as having a better shot because of percentages without context

Pesik, do your homework before your text false info. In conference play, Moorman averaged 3.3 three-pointers per game. A.Moore averaged taking 1.9 per game three’s per game. Each player did not shoot 1 three per game as you assert. Both Rose and NPL also shot better on three’s than Alston in conference play. They should have taken some of his three’s as well.

Not surprised that you seem to think that both Moorman and Alani shoring 42.4 percent on three’s in conference play is worse than Alston’s 33 percent.

There was no need for Shizz to carry Temple as Temple had a lot of fine shooters..and Shizz would have been wiser to shoot more two’s than three’s as he shot 2’s at a higher equivalent rate. Alston have been shooting more two’s than three’s, rather than the other way around.

He had a few games that he kept chucking up three’s when he was off. Many were wide open catch and shoot shots. There was no need to do that as Moorman and Alani shot three’s better.

He was not the only Temple player jacking up shots when they were off., at the same time more efficient shooters were on the court. That should not have been tolerated. Hope we don’t see that this seasonZ.

Alston’s low 3-point shooting percentage also occurred because at times shot from to deep. He didn’t shoot as you assert many three’s per game off his dribble.

Hamilton was a much better two-point shooter and should have been shooting more.

Hooefully, there will be more balance in Temple’s shooting this season.

you are nitpicking, you are trying to argue between 1 and 1.9 3s a game, when you clearly knew my point was that they rarely shot, which 1.9 is rarely shooting

its like you saying shizz shot too much and was doing 9 or 10 a game..and i respond saying your putting wrong info he only shot 8.7 a game....that's a silly response

but ignoring the silly rhetoric argument, back to the main point...again using flat percentages is dumb...
in mooremans own words from a week ago he says he only shoots the ball when he is open

if you think there are 6 players who are better 3pt shooters on temples roster than for a temple super fan you aren't very informed about temple

the overwhelming majority of shizzs shots where off the dribble while being defended by the opposing teams best defenders..
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mooreman stands in 1 spot already in shooting form waiting for someone to pass him the ball...
never shoots it contested, never shoots it off the dribble...
(again this is something he himself doesnt deny)

using only percentages to define shooters is silly, armoni broooks was the best shooter in the aac, he wasnt top 10 in the aac is 3pt%

Temple as a team in in conference play shot 35.3 percent on three’s. Alston shot but 33 percent on three’s. So he was hardly Temple’s best three-point shooter as you assert.bNPL, Rose, Moorman, and Alani all made a higher percentage of three point shots in conference play.

If you want to define a good three-point shooter, as one who can shoot off the dribble as opposed to only off catch and shoot, so be it. don’t. All I care about is that the ball goes in the hoop at a higher rate than another player.

HC Buzz Willians tells his players he prefers that they not shoot three’s off the dribble. One reason VT was one of the best three-point shooting teams in the nation, but not a fun way to play bb.

A would-be three point shooter can usually always get an open three. If need be, just need to have screen or pick set for him.

You seem to imply that Moorman nor Alani took many three-point shots as they were rarely open.,l Moorman and Alani had a lot of open three-point shots they passed up. passed up. I felt like yelling at my tv screen when they did so.

They should have as they were both better three-point shooters in conference play than Shizz was.

Nice that you chose a clip oof Shizz shooting off the dribble, not his shooting catch and shoot three’s, as if that proves your point that he primarily shot off his dribble. If anyone has advanced stats showing him shooting off catch and shoot, please post them.

Do expect Temple to have at least six players this season who will shoot three’s a higher percentage than Shizz’s 33 percent in conference games.

And Temple’s returning players can easily replace Alston, as they shot better than Alston, and should have shot more often last season in conference play. Add in new additions James Scott and D.Dunn, who are both excellent voters and shooter’s, Temple has substantial improved it’s team. According to Moorman, Scott is also a very good play-maker.

Temple will have a high-octane offense that will be difficult for conference opponents to overcome.
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RE: Media 2019-2020 Pre-Season AAC Predictions (updated 11/2/19)
dejon jarreau shot 52% from 3 last year in conference ... but your definition he is the best 3pt shooter in the conference
nate hinton shot 42% from 3...those were houstons 2 highest, in conference percentages ...
then add grimes who shot 36% from 3 in the big 12

but yet in your rebuttal to houston note houston losses a bunch of 3s, and has no way to replace them...
by the standards you set for temple, applied to Houston. houston will be a better more lethal 3pt shooting team

we have "better shooters", "best 3pt shooting team in the conference"
- clearly sarcasm ... context is important
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RE: Media 2019-2020 Pre-Season AAC Predictions (updated 11/2/19)
(11-03-2019 11:19 AM)pesik Wrote:  dejon jarreau shot 52% from 3 last year in conference ... but your definition he is the best 3pt shooter in the conference
nate hinton shot 42% from 3...those were houstons 2 highest, in conference percentages ...
then add grimes who shot 36% from 3 in the big 12

but yet in your rebuttal to houston note houston losses a bunch of 3s, and has no way to replace them...
by the standards you set for temple, applied to Houston. houston will be a better more lethal 3pt shooting team

we have "better shooters", "best 3pt shooting team in the conference"
- clearly sarcasm ... context is important

Stop mischaracterizing my text. Don’t know whether it’s lack comprehension, or it’s intentional. You seem to smart for it to be the latter.

I didn’t say Moorman nor Alani Moore, nor anyone else, are the conference’s best three-point shooters. What I did say is they should have shot more three’s, and Alston less, as they shot three’s at a much higher rate than Alston did in conference play.

Hinton and Jarreau both shot three’s well last season, and should shoot more three’s this season. Even so, don’t expect either to take anywhere near the number of three’s as Brooks and Davis did last season.

With the addition of Grimes and Sasser, Houston will probably shoot more three’s then they otherwise would have, but still expect Houston to take fewer three’s than last season. How many less three’s will be answered this season. Would expect Houston to shoot at least seven fewer three-pointers per game than last season.

Pesik, you’d be a terrific used car salesman, as you have bait and switch down. As went went from Alston best three point shooter as he shoots off the dribble (laughable), , despite the fact he shot a much lower percentage than other players on Temple ion three’s, to now falsely representing I’m claiming that Moorman and Alani with high 3-point percentages and who take fewer shots, are the best in the conference.

Look forward to playing Houston in our house. Just know that Temple will always have four good three-point shooters on the court, sometimes five such players.
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RE: Media 2019-2020 Pre-Season AAC Predictions (updated 11/2/19)
(11-03-2019 11:40 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(11-03-2019 11:19 AM)pesik Wrote:  dejon jarreau shot 52% from 3 last year in conference ... but your definition he is the best 3pt shooter in the conference
nate hinton shot 42% from 3...those were houstons 2 highest, in conference percentages ...
then add grimes who shot 36% from 3 in the big 12

but yet in your rebuttal to houston note houston losses a bunch of 3s, and has no way to replace them...
by the standards you set for temple, applied to Houston. houston will be a better more lethal 3pt shooting team

we have "better shooters", "best 3pt shooting team in the conference"
- clearly sarcasm ... context is important

Stop mis characterizing whatI text. Don’t know whether you lack comprehension or it’s intentional. You seems to smart for it to be the latter.

I didn’t day either Moorman nor Alami Moore, nor anyone one else were the conferences best three point shooters. What I did say is they should have shot more three’s and Alston less, as they shot three’s at a much higher rate than Alston did in conference play.

Hinton and Jarreau both shot three’s well last season should shoot more three’s this season. Even so, don’t expect either to take anywhere near the number of three’s as Brooks and Davis did last season.

With the addition of Grimes and Sasser, Houston will probably shoot more three’s then they otherwise would have, but still expect Houston to take fewer three’s than last season. How many less three’s will be answered this season.

i wasn't responding to shoot more or less
but that you said they were better 3pt shooters than alston... they aren't ...thats what ive been responding to
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I am thankful the season starts in two days.
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(11-02-2019 09:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 09:19 PM)DrBox Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 04:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  4- cincy - deep team, really doubt new coach's philosophy at this level

If I may ask, what's his philosophy? I'm not up to speed with all the teams.

It’s called “94 feet” ..full court press on defense .. take the 1st good shot on offense
Really fast paced full court basketball


It’s not a full court press. What I saw was full court man to man. As in full court ball pressure.

You guard your man for 94 feet. Not like a West Virginia press at all


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RE: Media 2019-2020 Pre-Season AAC Predictions (updated 11/2/19)
(11-03-2019 07:19 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 09:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 09:19 PM)DrBox Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 04:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  4- cincy - deep team, really doubt new coach's philosophy at this level

If I may ask, what's his philosophy? I'm not up to speed with all the teams.

It’s called “94 feet” ..full court press on defense .. take the 1st good shot on offense
Really fast paced full court basketball


It’s not a full court press. What I saw was full court man to man. As in full court ball pressure.

You guard your man for 94 feet. Not like a West Virginia press at all


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Is full court man-to-man not a full court press now? I know a bunch of teams have zone press and trapping presses now but full court man-to-man i thought was still called full court press these days?

Anyway... every new coach claims they are going to "guard 94-feet" and "turn defense to offense".. they usually give up on it in about 4 or 5 games because 98% of teams dont have the personnel to do it...

Penny has said/is saying the same thing but i remain skeptical we have the wing defenders for it.
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RE: Media 2019-2020 Pre-Season AAC Predictions (updated 11/2/19)
(11-03-2019 09:10 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  
(11-03-2019 12:24 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 11:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 11:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I'm not sure what you mean by this? In 2017-18, they were picked 2nd in the preseason and finished 2nd. In 2018-19, they were picked 8th and finished 6th.

They're picked 4th this year and be a borderline NCAA team. How is that "lowered"?
For some reason there is this perception that WSU has been down for several years. People forget that 2 years ago WSU was ranked all year and as high as #3...

It's literally only been 1 down year for Wichita. And that down year was an NIT final four year...

Thanks for this brief summary.

I was referring to team's performances in the NCAA tournament since their final four trip several year back, rather than the 2017 2nd place finish or last year's success in the NIT.

I have been a fan of the Shockers since they were in the MVC, rooted for them against Creighton, and was hugely impressed by Marshall's coaching their final four year. I keep hoping that they make their way to the sweet sixteen, at least, and would love to see the Shockers battle for 1st or 2nd place this season.

They made the Sweet 16 two years later in 2015.

Thanks for the support.
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(11-03-2019 07:27 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(11-03-2019 07:19 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 09:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 09:19 PM)DrBox Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 04:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  4- cincy - deep team, really doubt new coach's philosophy at this level

If I may ask, what's his philosophy? I'm not up to speed with all the teams.

It’s called “94 feet” ..full court press on defense .. take the 1st good shot on offense
Really fast paced full court basketball


It’s not a full court press. What I saw was full court man to man. As in full court ball pressure.

You guard your man for 94 feet. Not like a West Virginia press at all


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Is full court man-to-man not a full court press now? I know a bunch of teams have zone press and trapping presses now but full court man-to-man i thought was still called full court press these days?

Anyway... every new coach claims they are going to "guard 94-feet" and "turn defense to offense".. they usually give up on it in about 4 or 5 games because 98% of teams dont have the personnel to do it...

Penny has said/is saying the same thing but i remain skeptical we have the wing defenders for it.


I mean I guess you could look at all extended defenses as a press I guess. But to me, I just consider it constant ball pressure. They aren’t trapping or using like a 1-2-2 press and it’s not intended to generate turnovers like West Virginia’s defense was a few hours ago.

Brannen has says his philosophy is based around the idea of scoring quickly before the defense is set on offense and on defense, forcing the offense into longer possessions. He says the most successful teams in the country play with pace on offense and on defense force teams deep into the clock.

He wants every part of the defensive possession to feel pressure on the ball.

That said, I do really like what I saw from an in ball defense standpoint, but it was against a horrible team. I’ll be interested to see how the defense shakes out against OSU and beyond


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(11-02-2019 04:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  ill my my final preseason rankings, that you guys can call me out for being wrong, as everyone preseason rankings are normally wrong

- was waiting for smu waiver situation but that is taking years ..im just going to assume both were denied till further notice

- ucf, ecu and smu are a complete shot in the dark with so many unknowns with no public scrimmages, or box scores wih complete new rosters

preseason top 12

1- houston-- elite defense/elite rebounding, poor 3pt shooting -great attacking team

tie 2a- Wichita- elite defense/elite rebounding/deep-- relying on really young players on offense-- should be decent 3pt shooting team--jaime must get/stay healthy

tie 2b- memphis- overwhelming talent-has tons of "team" question marks-- wiseman might the magic sauce (if he doesnt play, memphis goes lower)

4- cincy - deep team, really doubt new coach's philosophy at this level

5- usf- good on defense/rebounding/tough-- really big question marks about offense, that i dont think are resolved

6- temple -- proven guards---but post defense? rebounding? toughness? shooting consistency?--

7- uconn- talented/likely good on defense-- i think theyll be soft, poor rebounding, scoring consistency?

8- ucf-- i like the roster on paper, but the confidence to be great isn't there

9- tulane - transfers galore- new winning coach

10- smu- without waivers its last years team (that wasn't good) without its top 3 guards..only 1 new touted guard and he isn't a great shooter {tied for 7th with both waivers}

11- tulsa- no standout touted guards--small in the post-- poor shooting team--will probably be higher but i can't justify right now

12- ecu - needs a lot of players to exceed outside ecu expectations

Houston will be in Eugene on Nov. 22. After seeing your ranking of them (and some of the others), I have decided to go. I have been waiting 6 years for a Big 5 team or Temple to come to Eugene or Corvallis mostly because I wanted to support a familiar opponent. Now that we are in the AAC, I'll have to go and root for the Cougars. I'll be the guy in the Temple hat.
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RE: Media 2019-2020 Pre-Season AAC Predictions (updated 11/2/19)
Teamrankings.com preseason ratings:

https://www.teamrankings.com/blog/ncaa-b...gs-ratings

1 Houston
2 Memphis
3 Cincinnati
4 Wichita State
5 Temple
6 UConn
7 USF
8 SMU
9 Tulsa
10 UCF
11 Tulane
12 ECU
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