Two time zones is a minor issue. Teams to the east lose an hour crossing the time line going home. So a Basketball or Volleyball game ending at 10pm and taking a one hour 11:30pm flight home gets you in bed at 1:00am instead of midnight for the same time zone. Not ideal for students with 8am Friday morning classes, but still enough time for a solid 6 hours of sleep. (A team heading west gains an hour, so it's player get to bed at 11pm).

Three time zone conferences are an issue. In the case of Colorado State you are adding 600 more air miles, which is an hour extra of flight over say Dallas, Memphis or Tulsa heading east. And you lose a 2nd hour crossing time lines. That 1:00am bed time is now 3:00am for those eastern time zone schools. The reverse issue is not so much in play, as the extra hour flight back to Colorado from the east is made up by gaining an hour crossing the time zones. What these lost two hours mean is either terrible return home and loss of Friday morning classes or staying overnight and losing all Friday classes for eastern time zone schools. This is a major problem for schools like ECU, UCF, USF, Temple and Cincy.

Now mind you, I think smart scheduling can overcome the issue. You can do this by pairing up and eastern time school with a central time school for the weeks CSU is hosting MBB, WBB or WVB. You send the eastern school to play a central school such as SMU, Tulsa or Wichita on Thursday, with the central time school playing CSU on Thursday, then reversing it on Saturday, so the eastern time zone school is in Fort Collins on Saturday for mid-afternoon games (allows you to get home at a reasonable hour Saturday night). You can also take advantage of a couple school holidays eastern schools to schedule trips to CSU as well.

The issue does not apply to other sports, as Tennis is weekends, and Women's Soccer also mostly weekends, so it's easy to schedule around. CSU doesn't play Baseball or Softball, so those don't pose a problem. And the rest are individual sports where the only event schools come together is the conference meet, so it doesn't matter where schools come from.

Smart scheduling seems beyond the capacity of most conferences. Texas even nixed the Pac-16 idea to a large extent on the travel issue to the west coast, across two time zones. If power conferences struggle to schedule smart, it's reasonable to assume a G5 conference wont be able to do that either. (IMO that is incompetence, as parameters such as I laid out are easy to program in scheduling software, which all conferences use these days; and schedule smoothing can fix many of the problems that creates -- conferences already have schedule smoothing meetings even for hand drawn schedules; But it is what it is, athletic departments are not particularly capable of thinking through such things.)

Conclusion: CSU is doable, and the schedule problem largely overcome with some effort, but realistically that cannot be expected, so the eastern schools are likely to be unenthusiastic about such an addition. Also from CSU's standpoint the hassle of switching conferences and fees associated with that may not be worth it with the B12 shakeout just a few years away. As a result I think both sides would prefer to wait a few years to see where things settle before exploring more seriously a move.

(07-09-2019 03:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 02:44 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 02:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 02:24 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  “Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

Thats a weak argument coming from a guy in a conference that stretches from Syracuse NY to Miami FL.

Same timezone, bub.

Two time zones don't seem to be hurting the B1G or the SEC. Also time zones don't effect how long you're sitting on a plane. 3+ hours is still 3+ hours.

Does any major football conference have three?

The Pac12 wanted 3. Have attempted to do it 3 times now in since the 1990's. The WAC is the only conference I know for sure had 3 times zones at one point. lol...It may now---I'd have to get out a map.

(07-09-2019 04:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Two time zones is a minor issue. Teams to the east lose an hour crossing the time line going home. So a Basketball or Volleyball game ending at 10pm and taking a one hour 11:30pm flight home gets you in bed at 1:00am instead of midnight for the same time zone. Not ideal for students with 8am Friday morning classes, but still enough time for a solid 6 hours of sleep. (A team heading west gains an hour, so it's player get to bed at 11pm).

Three time zone conferences are an issue. In the case of Colorado State you are adding 600 more air miles, which is an hour extra of flight over say Dallas, Memphis or Tulsa heading east. And you lose a 2nd hour crossing time lines. That 1:00am bed time is now 3:00am for those eastern time zone schools. The reverse issue is not so much in play, as the extra hour flight back to Colorado from the east is made up by gaining an hour crossing the time zones. What these lost two hours mean is either terrible return home and loss of Friday morning classes or staying overnight and losing all Friday classes for eastern time zone schools. This is a major problem for schools like ECU, UCF, USF, Temple and Cincy.

Now mind you, I think smart scheduling can overcome the issue. You can do this by pairing up and eastern time school with a central time school for the weeks CSU is hosting MBB, WBB or WVB. You send the eastern school to play a central school such as SMU, Tulsa or Wichita on Thursday, with the central time school playing CSU on Thursday, then reversing it on Saturday, so the eastern time zone school is in Fort Collins on Saturday for mid-afternoon games (allows you to get home at a reasonable hour Saturday night). You can also take advantage of a couple school holidays eastern schools to schedule trips to CSU as well.

The issue does not apply to other sports, as Tennis is weekends, and Women's Soccer also mostly weekends, so it's easy to schedule around. CSU doesn't play Baseball or Softball, so those don't pose a problem. And the rest are individual sports where the only event schools come together is the conference meet, so it doesn't matter where schools come from.

Smart scheduling seems beyond the capacity of most conferences. Texas even nixed the Pac-16 idea to a large extent on the travel issue to the west coast, across two time zones. If power conferences struggle to schedule smart, it's reasonable to assume a G5 conference wont be able to do that either. (IMO that is incompetence, as parameters such as I laid out are easy to program in scheduling software, which all conferences use these days; and schedule smoothing can fix many of the problems that creates -- conferences already have schedule smoothing meetings even for hand drawn schedules; But it is what it is, athletic departments are not particularly capable of thinking through such things.)

Conclusion: CSU is doable, and the schedule problem largely overcome with some effort, but realistically that cannot be expected, so the eastern schools are likely to be unenthusiastic about such an addition. Also from CSU's standpoint the hassle of switching conferences and fees associated with that may not be worth it with the B12 shakeout just a few years away. As a result I think both sides would prefer to wait a few years to see where things settle before exploring more seriously a move.

The thing is, if you do the same "rivals/travel/tradition" calculation for Texas and Oklahoma---you'll see the Big12 melt down is largely a bulletin board creation. Especially when you calculate in a 50 million dollar exit fee, the Longhorn Network problem, and pay days that wont be all that different. What you might see is some flirting in the mid -2020's to gain some extra concessions from the other B12 members---but I suspect the "The Mid 2020 Realignment Big Bang" is going to probably be a big bust.

I agree that smart scheduling can solve most of the bigger travel issues that might be potential issues with a larger footprint best of the rest type conference.

(07-08-2019 07:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:39 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  I’ll reply to you because the other two responded with essentially the same thing. Institutionally speaking, UMass looks a lot like the teams in the conference and is in New England. This is the most logical substitute for UConn if the conference wants to plug the hole and keep rolling. Plus, wouldn’t that be the knockout the AAC and ESPN could give UConn?

Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.

I dont see it. Basically, CUSA bet on the potential of ODU FBS football 6 years ago and that gamble has yet to show any signs of paying off. I dont see why the AAC should be in a hurry to take over that losing position. It just seems like a unnecessary risk right now. Its not like they wont be available a few years down the road if ODU suddenly shows signs of life. If your willing to accept schools outside of the USNWR top 200, there are better football programs with proven track records of above average performance. At this point, I'd be fine with just adding VCU and standing pat for now in FB.

In football it’s hard to argue against that. Other than one 10 win season and a Bahamas bowl victory over EMU and the win last year against VT, our FBS record has been pretty ho hum. I fear we’re trying to play FBS football with an FCS coach but our fan base won’t accept mediocrity for too long. Wilder has built a lot of goodwill in Norfolk but he’s definitely on the hot seat now. Our timeline to jump to FBS was rushed so we’re still trying to catch up on facilities as well.

We hold our own in other sports and metrics. The AAC staying at 11 would likely be good news for us.

(07-09-2019 03:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 02:44 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 02:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 02:24 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  “Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

Thats a weak argument coming from a guy in a conference that stretches from Syracuse NY to Miami FL.

Same timezone, bub.

Two time zones don't seem to be hurting the B1G or the SEC. Also time zones don't effect how long you're sitting on a plane. 3+ hours is still 3+ hours.

Does any major football conference have three?

The MWC has teams in the Mountain, Pacific, and Aleutian Time Zones (Hawaii).

(07-09-2019 05:10 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 03:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  The MWC has teams in the Mountain, Pacific, and Aleutian Time Zones (Hawaii).

And IIUC, that spans four time zones, since there is two hours between California and Hawaii.

Though this is mostly an issue with team sports that have multiple conference games per week ... and is part of the reason Hawaii is FB-only.

Still, if that is right, the Big West would span three time zones, even if one of them is just water. How do they handle the Hawaii travel in their scheduling?

(07-09-2019 04:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Two time zones is a minor issue. Teams to the east lose an hour crossing the time line going home. So a Basketball or Volleyball game ending at 10pm and taking a one hour 11:30pm flight home gets you in bed at 1:00am instead of midnight for the same time zone. Not ideal for students with 8am Friday morning classes, but still enough time for a solid 6 hours of sleep. (A team heading west gains an hour, so it's player get to bed at 11pm).

Three time zone conferences are an issue. In the case of Colorado State you are adding 600 more air miles, which is an hour extra of flight over say Dallas, Memphis or Tulsa heading east. And you lose a 2nd hour crossing time lines. That 1:00am bed time is now 3:00am for those eastern time zone schools. The reverse issue is not so much in play, as the extra hour flight back to Colorado from the east is made up by gaining an hour crossing the time zones. What these lost two hours mean is either terrible return home and loss of Friday morning classes or staying overnight and losing all Friday classes for eastern time zone schools. This is a major problem for schools like ECU, UCF, USF, Temple and Cincy.

Now mind you, I think smart scheduling can overcome the issue. You can do this by pairing up and eastern time school with a central time school for the weeks CSU is hosting MBB, WBB or WVB. You send the eastern school to play a central school such as SMU, Tulsa or Wichita on Thursday, with the central time school playing CSU on Thursday, then reversing it on Saturday, so the eastern time zone school is in Fort Collins on Saturday for mid-afternoon games (allows you to get home at a reasonable hour Saturday night). You can also take advantage of a couple school holidays eastern schools to schedule trips to CSU as well.

The issue does not apply to other sports, as Tennis is weekends, and Women's Soccer also mostly weekends, so it's easy to schedule around. CSU doesn't play Baseball or Softball, so those don't pose a problem. And the rest are individual sports where the only event schools come together is the conference meet, so it doesn't matter where schools come from.

Smart scheduling seems beyond the capacity of most conferences. Texas even nixed the Pac-16 idea to a large extent on the travel issue to the west coast, across two time zones. If power conferences struggle to schedule smart, it's reasonable to assume a G5 conference wont be able to do that either. (IMO that is incompetence, as parameters such as I laid out are easy to program in scheduling software, which all conferences use these days; and schedule smoothing can fix many of the problems that creates -- conferences already have schedule smoothing meetings even for hand drawn schedules; But it is what it is, athletic departments are not particularly capable of thinking through such things.)

Conclusion: CSU is doable, and the schedule problem largely overcome with some effort, but realistically that cannot be expected, so the eastern schools are likely to be unenthusiastic about such an addition. Also from CSU's standpoint the hassle of switching conferences and fees associated with that may not be worth it with the B12 shakeout just a few years away. As a result I think both sides would prefer to wait a few years to see where things settle before exploring more seriously a move.

The Big -12 potential movement or lack of move in the mid 2020's is exactly the reason why the AAC should stand pat at this time especially with the current lack of good replacements for UConn for all sports. BYU is the AAC's main target (though Aresco won't publicly admit it) so if the B-12 remains status quo then with another GOR's, BYU may look at the AAC FB only option more favorably then. Personally I think the all sports option back in the MWC would fit them better scheduling 4 - P5 teams OOC nationally a year, but who really knows what the landscape will look like then, and who can really predict what BYU will be thinking at that time either.

(07-10-2019 07:22 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 04:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Two time zones is a minor issue. Teams to the east lose an hour crossing the time line going home. So a Basketball or Volleyball game ending at 10pm and taking a one hour 11:30pm flight home gets you in bed at 1:00am instead of midnight for the same time zone. Not ideal for students with 8am Friday morning classes, but still enough time for a solid 6 hours of sleep. (A team heading west gains an hour, so it's player get to bed at 11pm).

Three time zone conferences are an issue. In the case of Colorado State you are adding 600 more air miles, which is an hour extra of flight over say Dallas, Memphis or Tulsa heading east. And you lose a 2nd hour crossing time lines. That 1:00am bed time is now 3:00am for those eastern time zone schools. The reverse issue is not so much in play, as the extra hour flight back to Colorado from the east is made up by gaining an hour crossing the time zones. What these lost two hours mean is either terrible return home and loss of Friday morning classes or staying overnight and losing all Friday classes for eastern time zone schools. This is a major problem for schools like ECU, UCF, USF, Temple and Cincy.

Now mind you, I think smart scheduling can overcome the issue. You can do this by pairing up and eastern time school with a central time school for the weeks CSU is hosting MBB, WBB or WVB. You send the eastern school to play a central school such as SMU, Tulsa or Wichita on Thursday, with the central time school playing CSU on Thursday, then reversing it on Saturday, so the eastern time zone school is in Fort Collins on Saturday for mid-afternoon games (allows you to get home at a reasonable hour Saturday night). You can also take advantage of a couple school holidays eastern schools to schedule trips to CSU as well.

The issue does not apply to other sports, as Tennis is weekends, and Women's Soccer also mostly weekends, so it's easy to schedule around. CSU doesn't play Baseball or Softball, so those don't pose a problem. And the rest are individual sports where the only event schools come together is the conference meet, so it doesn't matter where schools come from.

Smart scheduling seems beyond the capacity of most conferences. Texas even nixed the Pac-16 idea to a large extent on the travel issue to the west coast, across two time zones. If power conferences struggle to schedule smart, it's reasonable to assume a G5 conference wont be able to do that either. (IMO that is incompetence, as parameters such as I laid out are easy to program in scheduling software, which all conferences use these days; and schedule smoothing can fix many of the problems that creates -- conferences already have schedule smoothing meetings even for hand drawn schedules; But it is what it is, athletic departments are not particularly capable of thinking through such things.)

Conclusion: CSU is doable, and the schedule problem largely overcome with some effort, but realistically that cannot be expected, so the eastern schools are likely to be unenthusiastic about such an addition. Also from CSU's standpoint the hassle of switching conferences and fees associated with that may not be worth it with the B12 shakeout just a few years away. As a result I think both sides would prefer to wait a few years to see where things settle before exploring more seriously a move.

The Big -12 potential movement or lack of move in the mid 2020's is exactly the reason why the AAC should stand pat at this time especially with the current lack of good replacements for UConn for all sports. BYU is the AAC's main target (though Aresco won't publicly admit it) so if the B-12 remains status quo then with another GOR's, BYU may look at the AAC FB only option more favorably then. Personally I think the all sports option back in the MWC would fit them better scheduling 4 - P5 teams OOC nationally a year, but who really knows what the landscape will look like then, and who can really predict what BYU will be thinking at that time either.

BYU’s problem is that the Utes (youths) got into a P5 conference. BYU in their eyes is superior or at least is equal to the Utes in all things, soooooooo, they will settle for nothing less than P5.


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(07-10-2019 05:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 05:10 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 03:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  The MWC has teams in the Mountain, Pacific, and Aleutian Time Zones (Hawaii).

And IIUC, that spans four time zones, since there is two hours between California and Hawaii.

Though this is mostly an issue with team sports that have multiple conference games per week ... and is part of the reason Hawaii is FB-only.

Still, if that is right, the Big West would span three time zones, even if one of them is just water. How do they handle the Hawaii travel in their scheduling?

From 1983-2000 the Big West spanned three time zones as well. Hawaii played in women's sports and after they left, North Texas joined as a full member. From '96-2000 it covered the Pacific, Mountain and Central time zones.

Hey guys! Normally I post on the SEC pages, but I perused this thread and didn't see one school mentioned that I am intrigued by. I think I'll get alot of backlash, but I want to toss it out and see what others think or why its not being brought up more. I'm mentioning it sincerely, not because of any bias against the AAC or anything like that. I know that the AAC probably sees itself above this school's conference but honestly:

Why not Georgia St?

Football field at old Turner field, enrollment in 2017-2018 was in the top 10 in the country, some basketball success, growing school and influence in Atlanta, fits right in the middle of the gap between Cincy, Memphis, Tulane and the U_F schools.

They also went 5-3 in conference 2 out of the last 4 years in football, so not super awful.

Again, please understand my approach. Not trying to belittle the AAC, not a huge Georgia St. fan. Just trying to figure out perception.

(07-10-2019 12:50 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Hey guys! Normally I post on the SEC pages, but I perused this thread and didn't see one school mentioned that I am intrigued by. I think I'll get alot of backlash, but I want to toss it out and see what others think or why its not being brought up more. I'm mentioning it sincerely, not because of any bias against the AAC or anything like that. I know that the AAC probably sees itself above this school's conference but honestly:

Why not Georgia St?

Football field at old Turner field, enrollment in 2017-2018 was in the top 10 in the country, some basketball success, growing school and influence in Atlanta, fits right in the middle of the gap between Cincy, Memphis, Tulane and the U_F schools.

They also went 5-3 in conference 2 out of the last 4 years in football, so not super awful.

Again, please understand my approach. Not trying to belittle the AAC, not a huge Georgia St. fan. Just trying to figure out perception.

I have thought a lot about this too. After BYU and other football only additions, UAB and Georgia St would be my next two for all-sports adds. UAB I would give the edge to due to historical affiliations with many AAC schools and rivalries too, but GSU should be right up there in consideration with just as much if not more upside.

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(07-10-2019 04:20 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 12:50 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Hey guys! Normally I post on the SEC pages, but I perused this thread and didn't see one school mentioned that I am intrigued by. I think I'll get alot of backlash, but I want to toss it out and see what others think or why its not being brought up more. I'm mentioning it sincerely, not because of any bias against the AAC or anything like that. I know that the AAC probably sees itself above this school's conference but honestly:

Why not Georgia St?

Football field at old Turner field, enrollment in 2017-2018 was in the top 10 in the country, some basketball success, growing school and influence in Atlanta, fits right in the middle of the gap between Cincy, Memphis, Tulane and the U_F schools.

They also went 5-3 in conference 2 out of the last 4 years in football, so not super awful.

Again, please understand my approach. Not trying to belittle the AAC, not a huge Georgia St. fan. Just trying to figure out perception.

I have thought a lot about this too. After BYU and other football only additions, UAB and Georgia St would be my next two for all-sports adds. UAB I would give the edge to due to historical affiliations with many AAC schools and rivalries too, but GSU should be right up there in consideration with just as much if not more upside.

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Better off standing pat and keeping your powder dry for better options....and it appears that will be the plan.

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  “Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

Fort Collins, Colorado population: 165,000

Chapel Hill, North Carolina population: 60,000

Which one is Podunk?

In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

(07-10-2019 12:50 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Hey guys! Normally I post on the SEC pages, but I perused this thread and didn't see one school mentioned that I am intrigued by. I think I'll get alot of backlash, but I want to toss it out and see what others think or why its not being brought up more. I'm mentioning it sincerely, not because of any bias against the AAC or anything like that. I know that the AAC probably sees itself above this school's conference but honestly:

Why not Georgia St?

Football field at old Turner field, enrollment in 2017-2018 was in the top 10 in the country, some basketball success, growing school and influence in Atlanta, fits right in the middle of the gap between Cincy, Memphis, Tulane and the U_F schools.

They also went 5-3 in conference 2 out of the last 4 years in football, so not super awful.

Again, please understand my approach. Not trying to belittle the AAC, not a huge Georgia St. fan. Just trying to figure out perception.

Too new. No history. No record of success.

They aren't going to take some school nobody outside that state has ever heard of.

They're the type of school CUSA would fill in with, not the AAC.

(07-10-2019 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  “Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

Fort Collins, Colorado population: 165,000

Chapel Hill, North Carolina population: 60,000

Which one is Podunk?

I’d say Ft. Collins mainly because it’s like 65 miles north of Denver. That’s big sky country. What’s the physical radius? Just curious.

Anyway, nobody has presented a convincing case as to why CSU would be interested. They’re just a buzz worthy candidate due to the Big XII, who was also just as interested in Rice, which IMO, is the smoothest and most natural western fit with Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, and Navy. They don’t recruit the same guys as Houston anyway.

(07-10-2019 05:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  “Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

Fort Collins, Colorado population: 165,000

Chapel Hill, North Carolina population: 60,000

Which one is Podunk?

I’d say Ft. Collins mainly because it’s like 65 miles north of Denver. That’s big sky country. What’s the physical radius? Just curious.

Anyway, nobody has presented a convincing case as to why CSU would be interested. They’re just a buzz worthy candidate due to the Big XII, who was also just as interested in Rice, which IMO, is the smoothest and most natural western fit with Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, and Navy. They don’t recruit the same guys as Houston anyway.

Chapel Hill is a smaller "town" by any definition. It's more than twice as far away from Charlotte as Fort Collins is from Denver.

(07-10-2019 05:28 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 05:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  “Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

Fort Collins, Colorado population: 165,000

Chapel Hill, North Carolina population: 60,000

Which one is Podunk?

I’d say Ft. Collins mainly because it’s like 65 miles north of Denver. That’s big sky country. What’s the physical radius? Just curious.

Anyway, nobody has presented a convincing case as to why CSU would be interested. They’re just a buzz worthy candidate due to the Big XII, who was also just as interested in Rice, which IMO, is the smoothest and most natural western fit with Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, and Navy. They don’t recruit the same guys as Houston anyway.

Chapel Hill is a smaller "town" by any definition. It's more than twice as far away from Charlotte as Fort Collins is from Denver.

But it's part of the Durham-Chapel Hill MSA (552,493) and Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill CSA (2,117,103). It's not Hickory.

(07-10-2019 05:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  “Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

Fort Collins, Colorado population: 165,000

Chapel Hill, North Carolina population: 60,000

Which one is Podunk?

I’d say Ft. Collins mainly because it’s like 65 miles north of Denver. That’s big sky country. What’s the physical radius? Just curious.

Anyway, nobody has presented a convincing case as to why CSU would be interested. They’re just a buzz worthy candidate due to the Big XII, who was also just as interested in Rice, which IMO, is the smoothest and most natural western fit with Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, and Navy. They don’t recruit the same guys as Houston anyway.

Culture and academics don't matter to the AAC. Rice doesn't bring what the power brokers in the conference want.

(07-10-2019 06:17 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 05:23 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  “Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

Fort Collins, Colorado population: 165,000

Chapel Hill, North Carolina population: 60,000

Which one is Podunk?

I’d say Ft. Collins mainly because it’s like 65 miles north of Denver. That’s big sky country. What’s the physical radius? Just curious.

Anyway, nobody has presented a convincing case as to why CSU would be interested. They’re just a buzz worthy candidate due to the Big XII, who was also just as interested in Rice, which IMO, is the smoothest and most natural western fit with Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, and Navy. They don’t recruit the same guys as Houston anyway.

Culture and academics don't matter to the AAC. Rice doesn't bring what the power brokers in the conference want.

Those things do matter. Just not to the extent in the P5. The AAC wants to look like a P5 conference. Any of their schools except Memphis and ECU doesn't look much different academically than much of the P5.