(08-12-2019 03:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:15 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:03 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious, when is he going to punish employers, like himself, who keep knowingly hiring illegals?

This Is How trump Relies on Undocumented Labor for His Resorts

Totally off topic to the discussion and Trump doesn't make HR decisions on a small construction crew or food and beverage at a country club etc. Article also says they did an internal audit and fired 18 people. It is a total lie that Trump knowingly hired illegals. Shameful.

Right...the guy is responsible for nothing.

He's responsible for the booming economy, low unemployment rate, and that extra cash in your paycheck.

Right...just the things that appear good. Don't look at the debt and deficit and the predictions of a coming recession by many an economist, the hatred, the stupid comments, the racism, the stoking of divisions in America...just ignore those, you know, like you did with the other guy, AMIRITE?

Well we all know in your eyes the last guy was a saint, never lied to the people didn't rack up debt, and ran this country perfectly, AMIRITE?

Why didn't you give a rat's ass when that guy was running up debt, being racist, and dividing the country?

Oh yea.. Team over country...

(08-12-2019 11:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 10:43 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  The Trump administration in October will begin blocking the admittance of immigrants, as well as visa renewals, for people who have relied on or would likely rely on U.S. government benefits, according to a rule change published in the Federal Register.
The Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services formally submitted the update to a 1999 rule on Monday. The rule further expands the definition of a "public charge," a term the government uses to indicate a noncitizen has a history of receiving long-term financial or other assistance.
Immigrants seeking to enter the United States for the first time as well as those seeking renewal of visas will be judged based on assistance they have accepted from the federal government for at least 12 months, including cash benefits, Supplemental Security Income, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, most forms of Medicaid, and some housing programs, according to the new rule. The Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program and Medicaid were not previously part of the 20-year-old rule.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...assistance

Kind of the way the rest of the world does it.

First thought as well.

So, like near every other place on the big blue marble.

Wonder what my chances are of strolling into Ol Mejico and demanding a bunch of freestuff?

Si o no?

(08-12-2019 03:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:15 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:03 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious, when is he going to punish employers, like himself, who keep knowingly hiring illegals?

This Is How trump Relies on Undocumented Labor for His Resorts

Totally off topic to the discussion and Trump doesn't make HR decisions on a small construction crew or food and beverage at a country club etc. Article also says they did an internal audit and fired 18 people. It is a total lie that Trump knowingly hired illegals. Shameful.

Right...the guy is responsible for nothing.

He's responsible for the booming economy, low unemployment rate, and that extra cash in your paycheck.

Right...just the things that appear good. Don't look at the debt and deficit and the predictions of a coming recession by many an economist, the hatred, the stupid comments, the racism, the stoking of divisions in America...just ignore those, you know, like you did with the other guy, AMIRITE?

This is what you've boiled yourself down to, regurgitating lies. You can't provide solid examples of any of that crap you claim he represents yet you keep repeating it, over and over and over.

This is a good thing and quite honestly how I thought it was being done all along. Let me explain. Back before I met my new wife she got a student visa to come to the US. She, well, her parents, had to provide comprehensive financials to the visa office in her country that listed all assets, particularly bank deposits, etc. The visa office wanted to ensure that she had ample reason to return to her country after visiting the US. I would think embassies world over would do the same thing. Even when I did the marriage visa thing with her I had to provide ample financial disclosure proving I could support her in the US.

Now, I know none of that applies to illegals; however, there's ample reason to deport them without even worrying about govt assistance.

(08-13-2019 08:13 AM)VA49er Wrote:  This is a good thing and quite honestly how I thought it was being done all along. Let me explain. Back before I met my new wife she got a student visa to come to the US. She, well, her parents, had to provide comprehensive financials to the visa office in her country that listed all assets, particularly bank deposits, etc. The visa office wanted to ensure that she had ample reason to return to her country after visiting the US. I would think embassies world over would do the same thing. Even when I did the marriage visa thing with her I had to provide ample financial disclosure proving I could support her in the US.

Now, I know none of that applies to illegals; however, there's ample reason to deport them without even worrying about govt assistance.

What an effed up system.

(08-13-2019 08:13 AM)VA49er Wrote:  This is a good thing and quite honestly how I thought it was being done all along. Let me explain. Back before I met my new wife she got a student visa to come to the US. She, well, her parents, had to provide comprehensive financials to the visa office in her country that listed all assets, particularly bank deposits, etc. The visa office wanted to ensure that she had ample reason to return to her country after visiting the US. I would think embassies world over would do the same thing. Even when I did the marriage visa thing with her I had to provide ample financial disclosure proving I could support her in the US.

Now, I know none of that applies to illegals; however, there's ample reason to deport them without even worrying about govt assistance.

One would think, oh you're here illegally, bye.. But apparently it's not that simple.

(08-13-2019 08:30 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 08:13 AM)VA49er Wrote:  This is a good thing and quite honestly how I thought it was being done all along. Let me explain. Back before I met my new wife she got a student visa to come to the US. She, well, her parents, had to provide comprehensive financials to the visa office in her country that listed all assets, particularly bank deposits, etc. The visa office wanted to ensure that she had ample reason to return to her country after visiting the US. I would think embassies world over would do the same thing. Even when I did the marriage visa thing with her I had to provide ample financial disclosure proving I could support her in the US.

Now, I know none of that applies to illegals; however, there's ample reason to deport them without even worrying about govt assistance.

What an effed up system.

Which part? I think the request for financial stuff is great. It's actually quite difficult for someone from my wife's country to actually get a visa to the US and the two nations are on friendly terms. Not sure about other countries.

The whole immigration process with her was time consuming but not extremely difficult. We did the interview thing and she got a two year conditional entry into the US. At the end of two years we had to jointly submit additional docs proving we were still married. After another couple years she got her US citizenship. The system works. IMO, it's people that aren't interested in doing things the lawful way that are the problem, not the law/process itself.

(08-12-2019 03:32 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:15 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:03 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Totally off topic to the discussion and Trump doesn't make HR decisions on a small construction crew or food and beverage at a country club etc. Article also says they did an internal audit and fired 18 people. It is a total lie that Trump knowingly hired illegals. Shameful.

Right...the guy is responsible for nothing.

He's responsible for the booming economy, low unemployment rate, and that extra cash in your paycheck.

Right...just the things that appear good. Don't look at the debt and deficit and the predictions of a coming recession by many an economist, the hatred, the stupid comments, the racism, the stoking of divisions in America...just ignore those, you know, like you did with the other guy, AMIRITE?

Well we all know in your eyes the last guy was a saint, never lied to the people didn't rack up debt, and ran this country perfectly, AMIRITE?

Why didn't you give a rat's ass when that guy was running up debt, being racist, and dividing the country?

Oh yea.. Team over country...

No.

And Obama was not dividing the country. Only racists who could not stand a black man making policy were, for the most part. And I've said on many occasions that I'm not all that concerned with the debt. Especially when we were basically on the verge of the worst crisis since the depression when Bush left office. Remember, it was you Republicans who were all debt and deficit "concerned" under Obama. Now, not so much, wonder why that is? It's almost as if you care about your team over the country, am EYE right?

(08-12-2019 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious, when is he going to punish employers, like himself, who keep knowingly hiring illegals?

This Is How trump Relies on Undocumented Labor for His Resorts

When he is given that ability by Congress.

Reeeeeeeeee

Do you even constitution bro

It used to be an immigrant had to have a "sponsor" that would guarantee to provide for the immigrant if they became poor as the government was not going to provide for them.

(08-13-2019 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And Obama was not dividing the country.

Like hell he wasn't.

Quote:Only racists who could not stand a black man making policy were, for the most part.

If racist = anyone who disagrees with a democrat, perhaps so. But if racist = racist, nope. I opposed him not because I couldn't stand a black man making policy, but because I strongly opposed every single socialist/communist/collectivist element of his policy agenda. Fortunately, he was such an egomaniacal, narcissistic, arrogant a-hole wo didn't know how to work with people that very little of his agenda got through.

Quote:And I've said on many occasions that I'm not all that concerned with the debt. Especially when we were basically on the verge of the worst crisis since the depression when Bush left office.

No, we had already been through the worst crisis since the depression and had bottomed out about the time Obama took office. A number of indicators had already hit bottom and started to rebound before anything Obama did had time to take effect. I'll give Bush an F for mishandling it, starting with not putting an end to the creation of the housing bubble long before burst. But from an economics point of view, I have a hard time giving Obama much better. Wen did we try massive stimulus spending to combat a recession? Two times, 1930 and Obama. What happened to the others, wen we didn't? We rebounded a whole lot faster.

Quote:Remember, it was you Republicans who were all debt and deficit "concerned" under Obama. Now, not so much, wonder why that is? It's almost as if you care about your team over the country, am EYE right?

I was concerned about the deficit and debt under GWB, under Obama, and now under Trump. I guess that makes me not a republican. I will admit freely to not being a democrat, because I still detest their socialist/communist/collectivist platform. Give me a fiscally responsible, pro-growth democrat like JFK or Bill Clinton, and I would have a different opinion. But as far as I can tell, there are none. For that matter, I don't see any truly fiscally sound, pro-growth republicans out there either.

(08-13-2019 10:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And Obama was not dividing the country.

Like hell he wasn't.

No, he was not doing it in totality, the racists who could not handle the black man in charge were doing it mostly all on their own. And I'm not talking about those like you just disagreeing on policy grounds alone.

(08-13-2019 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And Obama was not dividing the country.

Like hell he wasn't.

No, he was not doing it in totality, the racists who could not handle the black man in charge were doing it mostly all on their own. And I'm not talking about those like you just disagreeing on policy grounds alone.

I know a lot of people who despised him, and in every single case it was because of policies not race. I think the left simply went to the race card every time somebody criticized Obama, so they wouldn't have to defend the policies.

(08-13-2019 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And Obama was not dividing the country.

Like hell he wasn't.

No, he was not doing it in totality, the racists who could not handle the black man in charge were doing it mostly all on their own. And I'm not talking about those like you just disagreeing on policy grounds alone.

Bullsh*t..

Just because I didn't agree with him doesn't make me a racist... But the man was racist, how else do you explain that he goes to a funeral for a black criminal but refuses to show up to the funeral for a white law officer.. But he's not racist.

Please.. Again we all know your game.. You're not an independent.. You're a hardcore dem, always have been, always will... Your posts reflect that... I mean in the same sense, you disagreeing with Trump makes you a racist...

(08-13-2019 10:42 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And Obama was not dividing the country.

Like hell he wasn't.

No, he was not doing it in totality, the racists who could not handle the black man in charge were doing it mostly all on their own. And I'm not talking about those like you just disagreeing on policy grounds alone.

Bullsh*t..

This^^^^

(08-13-2019 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And Obama was not dividing the country.

Like hell he wasn't.

No, he was not doing it in totality, the racists who could not handle the black man in charge were doing it mostly all on their own. And I'm not talking about those like you just disagreeing on policy grounds alone.

You know, it is that type of accusation that helped get Trump elected. It's going to get him elected again.

(08-13-2019 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:32 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:15 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Right...the guy is responsible for nothing.

He's responsible for the booming economy, low unemployment rate, and that extra cash in your paycheck.

Right...just the things that appear good. Don't look at the debt and deficit and the predictions of a coming recession by many an economist, the hatred, the stupid comments, the racism, the stoking of divisions in America...just ignore those, you know, like you did with the other guy, AMIRITE?

Well we all know in your eyes the last guy was a saint, never lied to the people didn't rack up debt, and ran this country perfectly, AMIRITE?

Why didn't you give a rat's ass when that guy was running up debt, being racist, and dividing the country?

Oh yea.. Team over country...

No.

And Obama was not dividing the country. Only racists who could not stand a black man making policy were, for the most part. And I've said on many occasions that I'm not all that concerned with the debt. Especially when we were basically on the verge of the worst crisis since the depression when Bush left office. Remember, it was you Republicans who were all debt and deficit "concerned" under Obama. Now, not so much, wonder why that is? It's almost as if you care about your team over the country, am EYE right?

He divided the country with his policies..not his skin color.

Keep in mind, folks.....Tom's an INDEPENDENT!

(08-13-2019 10:35 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think the left simply went to the race card

Its at the top of page 1 in the libtard playbook. Its all they know.

LOL Obama belonged to a Black Separatist church. Whites not allowed.