I want someone to take the entire Trump commentary, in proper context, and explain to me exactly where he said Nazis and white supremacists were fine people. Not a few sound bytes taken out of context, but the entire commentary in proper context.

(08-15-2019 04:23 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 01:42 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  And what in 'unite the right' tells you who organized it or what their goal was, beyond stopping the renaming of a park and removing a statue?

I don't know, perhaps the two other events that happened in Charlottesville prior to the August demonstration:

This:

May 13th

White Nationalist Leads Torch Bearing Protesters Against Removal of Confederate Statue

Quote:A torch-wielding mob chanting racist slogans descended on a Charlottesville, Virginia, park Saturday evening, to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue.

Chanting "All White Lives Matter," and "No More Brother Wars," the crowd, which said they were protecting their "white heritage" from the Charlottesville City Council’s decision to remove a statue in the Virginia town’s park.

They also chanted "You will not replace us" and "Russia is our friend." Dozens of protesters also brought bamboo tiki torches to a second rally once it became dark out.

And this:

July 8th

23 Arrested and Tear Gas Deployed after a KKK Rally in Virginia

Quote:CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — Members of the Ku Klux Klan rallied here on Saturday afternoon in a protest meant to assail the city’s decision to remove a statue of Robert E. Lee, the Confederate general.

For about a half-hour, around 50 members of the Klan — some wearing hooded white robes — shouted “white power” at Justice Park as more than 1,000 people protested their presence by hurling insults, water bottles and apple cores.

By about 4:25 p.m., the Klan members, who said they came from North Carolina, began to leave and return to their cars. It was then when the trouble intensified.

City officials said a large group of counterprotesters followed the Klan members back to their vehicles and stopped them from leaving. Asked to step aside, the counterprotesters refused, a city spokeswoman said. The police declared an unlawful assembly, and officers began moving the protesters back so the Klan members could leave.

(08-15-2019 01:42 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  What I mean is, I doubt the posters said 'come to this Klan rally organized by renowned white supremacist Kessler'. I suspect they said... come out and show your support for conservative values and protest the removal of historic statues....

Which is why I brought up David Duke 'marching side by side' with Tulsi and Ilhan. Those are all known quantities and informed people. We're talking about average citizens and relative unknowns.

So you're telling me the average citizen who took time out of their weekend to travel hundreds, if not thousands of miles to attend this event had no clue what the motivations behind the organizers were? Especially after multiple news agencies were reporting on the build up to the event, including Kessler's legal fight to have the rally at the park?

Because I'm going to have to call shenanigans on that. They knew that this event was going to be a flash point in what was an already tense summer. And I believe they knew the same shady individuals involved in prior events in Charlottesville were the organizing force behind Unite the Right in August.

You’re being intentionally obtuse

If there was one single person there who wasn’t a white supremacist but was against the removal, then you’re wrong... and if there wasn’t one, then ALL trump is guilty of is giving Americans the benefit of the doubt, while still absolutely condemning racists and white supremacists

Your feigned knowledge of the intentions of everyone is ridiculous, and makes you look Pompous and arrogant, not intelligent... neither does your ignoring his very clear condemnation of the very people you are talking about

If you want to believe that Trump was speaking of people that were t there... that’s fine. I think the odds of that are close to zero, but whatever.

To claim as you have that Trump did not condemn racists and instead called them ‘fine people’ is just a flat out lie.

And that is what the thread is about

(08-15-2019 05:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I want someone to take the entire Trump commentary, in proper context, and explain to me exactly where he said Nazis and white supremacists were fine people. Not a few sound bytes taken out of context, but the entire commentary in proper context.

To do that would force them to confront facts and acknowledge their own complicity in disseminating lies rather than the fictional narrative they've had crafted for them.

Victim thread#1

And here you have it, folks. These idiots, these commie ******** want to take away your gun rights (“reasonable gun control”). They will try to restrict your free speech rights. They are the fascists. They are the racists. Come and take them soyboys. I’m ready.

(08-15-2019 05:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I want someone to take the entire Trump commentary, in proper context, and explain to me exactly where he said Nazis and white supremacists were fine people. Not a few sound bytes taken out of context, but the entire commentary in proper context.

It didn’t happen, of course. Russian tools like Mach claim it did, but we all know he’s in collusion with Putin.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne...ction.html

(08-15-2019 10:51 PM)VCE Wrote:  And here you have it, folks. These idiots, these commie ******** want to take away your gun rights (“reasonable gun control”). They will try to restrict your free speech rights. They are the fascists. They are the racists. Come and take them soyboys. I’m ready.

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