Big. So now the USA can 1) make illegals wait in Mexico for asylum applications 2) They are totally rejected in New Mexico and Texas.

HOUSTON (AP) — A federal appeals court on Friday cleared the way for the U.S. government to forbid Central American immigrants from seeking asylum at the two busiest stretches of the southern border in a partial legal victory for the Trump administration.

The ruling from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals allows President Donald Trump to enforce the policy in New Mexico and Texas, rejecting asylum seekers who cross from Mexico into either state. Under Friday’s ruling, U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar’s July 24 order stopping the policy would apply only in California and Arizona, which are covered by the 9th Circuit.

The two busiest areas for unauthorized border crossings are in South Texas’ Rio Grande Valley and the region around El Paso, Texas, which includes New Mexico. Nearly 50,000 people in July crossed the U.S. border without permission in those two regions, according to the U.S. Border Patrol.

The policy would deny asylum to anyone who passes through another country on the way to the U.S. without seeking protection there. Most crossing the southern border are Central Americans fleeing violence and poverty, who would largely be ineligible. The policy would also apply to people from Africa, Asia, and South America who come to the southern border to request asylum.

If the policy is implemented, ineligible migrants who cross in New Mexico and Texas could be detained and more quickly deported. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday.

Under American law, people can request asylum when they arrive in the U.S. regardless of how they enter. The law makes an exception for those who have come through a country considered to be “safe” pursuant to an agreement between the U.S. and that country.

Canada and the U.S. have a “safe third country” agreement. But the U.S. doesn’t have one with Mexico or countries in Central America. The Trump administration has tried to sign one with Guatemala, but the country’s incoming president said this week that Guatemala would not be able to uphold a tentative deal reached by his predecessor.

The U.S. government is already turning away many asylum seekers at the southern border.

About 30,000 people have been returned to Mexico to await asylum hearings under the government’s Migrant Protection Protocols program. Tens of thousands of others are waiting in shelters and camps to present themselves to U.S. border agents at official ports of entry that have strict daily limits on asylum seekers.

Mexico’s asylum system is itself overwhelmed, and there are widespread reports of migrants being attacked and extorted . Border cities across from New Mexico and Texas include Juarez, Nuevo Laredo, and Reynosa, all of which are well-known for their violence and gang presence.

Tigar had ruled the policy could expose migrants to violence and abuse, deny their rights under international law, and return them to countries they were fleeing.

The appeals court ruled that Tigar’s order hadn’t considered whether a nationwide order was necessary and that there wasn’t enough evidence presented yet to conclude that it was. The court instructed Tigar to “further develop the record in support of a preliminary injunction” extending nationwide.

Judges Mark Bennett and Milan Smith voted to limit Tigar’s order. Judge A. Wallace Tashima dissented.

Tigar is a nominee of former President Barack Obama. Trump previously derided Tigar as an “Obama judge” after Tigar ruled against another set of asylum restrictions last year. That comment led to an unusual rebuke from Chief Justice John Roberts, who said the judiciary did not have “Obama judges or Clinton judges.”

Trump nominated Bennett, while Smith was nominated by former President George W. Bush. Tashima was nominated by former President Bill Clinton.

The American Civil Liberties Union and other legal groups sued the Trump administration after it announced the restrictions last month.

“We will continue fighting to end the ban entirely and permanently,” said Lee Gelernt, a lawyer for the ACLU.

The Department of Justice declined to comment.

___https://www.apnews.com/4994cbaab28a4aa1b9bdb0ab16fe0a63

Yes YES YES!!!

build that dadgum 'wall' using every capacity available...

see how that shite works when elections have consequences....

#FknA

Another of CB’s little insignificant wins.....

Anyone getting tired of winning yet?

(08-17-2019 07:44 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Another of CB’s little insignificant wins.....

Anyone getting tired of winning yet?

not one bit...neither is DJT...

Exhausting

Simply dun wore out


OTOH, Winning! Is a LOT less taxing than losing all the damn time. I’ll muddle through...

This really is huge and indicative of a swing back to the center perhaps. What makes this really significant aside from its face value is the fact that the 9th circuit CoA handed this down.

Don't see how it is "helping" any of these other countries to let those who think what is going on there is wrong or bad to just run away. Running from problems is not the answer. Until these folks running away see that they will instead have to stand up and fight their oppressive governments in the countries they are leaving, it will continue ad nauseum.

What needs to happen is these folks rise up against and change those regimes themselves into governments that mimic the USA's Constitutional Representative Republic, with its underlying values and transfer of power from a created people to limited rights for government. To tell them "no, you cannot come here" is to help them make the world, their own countries, better places. In America, enough people got fed up with what was happening here, that they rebelled against their oppressors and created this country. The more that can happen throughout the world, not by the US trying to nation-build, but by their own people's realizing it is up to them, not us, to make their countries great, some for the first time, the more the world can be a safer, more peaceful and fair place. Therefore, restricting immigration, prosecuting and deporting illegal border-crossers and returning them home helps the world and help those people's countrymen and women.

(08-18-2019 11:17 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Don't see how it is "helping" any of these other countries to let those who think what is going on there is wrong or bad to just run away. Running from problems is not the answer. Until these folks running away see that they will instead have to stand up and fight their oppressive governments in the countries they are leaving, it will continue ad nauseum.

What needs to happen is these folks rise up against and change those regimes themselves into governments that mimic the USA's Constitutional Representative Republic, with its underlying values and transfer of power from a created people to limited rights for government. To tell them "no, you cannot come here" is to help them make the world, their own countries, better places. In America, enough people got fed up with what was happening here, that they rebelled against their oppressors and created this country. The more that can happen throughout the world, not by the US trying to nation-build, but by their own people's realizing it is up to them, not us, to make their countries great, some for the first time, the more the world can be a safer, more peaceful and fair place. Therefore, restricting immigration, prosecuting and deporting illegal border-crossers and returning them home helps the world and help those people's countrymen and women.

Ideally your thoughts would happen. There is just a huge difference between the USA/Canada vs. Latin America. The only country that resembles daily non corruption in virtually all areas of government is Chile. Panama is in decent shape.
So secure the border and deport.

(08-18-2019 08:03 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  This really is huge and indicative of a swing back to the center perhaps. What makes this really significant aside from its face value is the fact that the 9th circuit CoA handed this down.

The 2nd such decision in just a few weeks or so. Why do we think the anti constitution dims are threatening to pack the SCOTUS? The last haven for all their kooky, half-baked, emo outbursts has long been the 9th Circus, now there’s some balance and they don’t know what to do with themselves.

Just wait til the Drumpf gets 1,2, even 3 more SCOTUS appts and dozens of more lower courts, then the lid really comes off the tinderbox.

Maybe some of the looms really will move to Canada!

A girl can dream, can’t she?

(08-18-2019 11:17 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Don't see how it is "helping" any of these other countries to let those who think what is going on there is wrong or bad to just run away. Running from problems is not the answer. Until these folks running away see that they will instead have to stand up and fight their oppressive governments in the countries they are leaving, it will continue ad nauseum.

What needs to happen is these folks rise up against and change those regimes themselves into governments that mimic the USA's Constitutional Representative Republic, with its underlying values and transfer of power from a created people to limited rights for government. To tell them "no, you cannot come here" is to help them make the world, their own countries, better places. In America, enough people got fed up with what was happening here, that they rebelled against their oppressors and created this country. The more that can happen throughout the world, not by the US trying to nation-build, but by their own people's realizing it is up to them, not us, to make their countries great, some for the first time, the more the world can be a safer, more peaceful and fair place. Therefore, restricting immigration, prosecuting and deporting illegal border-crossers and returning them home helps the world and help those people's countrymen and women.

Yup, I’ve been saying pretty much that forever it seems.

Problem is, that’s hard work. And unfortunately in many of these places the ones organizing and fighting for “freedom” aren’t really fighting for that at all. They’re laying claim to some form of “people’s utopia” which of course doesn’t exist and never will.

Mao couldn’t find it, Castro certainly didn’t, nor Noriega, Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin or any of the rest.

So, with that said, it’s a lot easier to stroll on up north and walk on into a country willing to give you free schit just for showing up. Food, clothing, housing, medical care, education, even free money in one form or fashion. And I can’t really say I blame them.

WE’VE incentivized this, we’ve tolerated this, we’ve created this beast. Now we have our own sleeping in rat infested enclaves on the streets and sidewalks of our major urban cities, but somehow manage to find housing for illegals.

Rather ironically... Cher was right!

(08-18-2019 04:51 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-18-2019 11:17 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Don't see how it is "helping" any of these other countries to let those who think what is going on there is wrong or bad to just run away. Running from problems is not the answer. Until these folks running away see that they will instead have to stand up and fight their oppressive governments in the countries they are leaving, it will continue ad nauseum.

What needs to happen is these folks rise up against and change those regimes themselves into governments that mimic the USA's Constitutional Representative Republic, with its underlying values and transfer of power from a created people to limited rights for government. To tell them "no, you cannot come here" is to help them make the world, their own countries, better places. In America, enough people got fed up with what was happening here, that they rebelled against their oppressors and created this country. The more that can happen throughout the world, not by the US trying to nation-build, but by their own people's realizing it is up to them, not us, to make their countries great, some for the first time, the more the world can be a safer, more peaceful and fair place. Therefore, restricting immigration, prosecuting and deporting illegal border-crossers and returning them home helps the world and help those people's countrymen and women.

Yup, I’ve been saying pretty much that forever it seems.

Problem is, that’s hard work. And unfortunately in many of these places the ones organizing and fighting for “freedom” aren’t really fighting for that at all. They’re laying claim to some form of “people’s utopia” which of course doesn’t exist and never will.

Mao couldn’t find it, Castro certainly didn’t, nor Noriega, Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin or any of the rest.

So, with that said, it’s a lot easier to stroll on up north and walk on into a country willing to give you free schit just for showing up. Food, clothing, housing, medical care, education, even free money in one form or fashion. And I can’t really say I blame them.

WE’VE incentivized this, we’ve tolerated this, we’ve created this beast. Now we have our own sleeping in rat infested enclaves on the streets and sidewalks of our major urban cities, but somehow manage to find housing for illegals.

Rather ironically... Cher was right!

You know Latin America is the one region where the CIA has done really good work.
They have kept it clean of Socialist dictatorships, Cuba and Nicaragua notwithstanding. They have been involved in killing and regime change in virtually every country down there. On rare circumstances you find a Dictator, like Trujillo, in the Dominican Rep who was hell bent on improving the infrastructure of the country.
And he did that. Yeah his friends got the contracts and he had people killed but he didn't want to kill everyone, cept a couple thousand Haitians....stay out of the DR LOL.

A LOT of us have been saying just this that why don't those seeking asylum remain in Mexico where in fact they are getting it. IOW, they are AWAY from the land (home country) that is mistreating them in some way. But, to not want to remain in Mexico and go thousands of miles until they reach the land of milk and honey is not for asylum but for the American dollar. It's that simple and only idiots (the Left) can't see it, (they do, they just act like they don't, I can't think that they'd be this stupid.)

(08-18-2019 06:45 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  A LOT of us have been saying just this that why don't those seeking asylum remain in Mexico where in fact they are getting it. IOW, they are AWAY from the land (home country) that is mistreating them in some way. But, to not want to remain in Mexico and go thousands of miles until they reach the land of milk and honey is not for asylum but for the American dollar. It's that simple and only idiots (the Left) can't see it, (they do, they just act like they don't, I can't think that they'd be this stupid.)

They see it, they just see a steady stream of illegals as a steady supply of future democrat votes. And elections are more important to them than anything else. The right have lives, politics are a part of it, but only a part. The left have nothing but elections.