(12-02-2019 06:15 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 04:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think when most fans of football schools say that they want to see other ACC teams step up, what they REALLY mean is to win their non-conference games. Syracuse getting rolled by Maryland and BC losing to Kansas at home just gave the entire conference a bad reputation early in the season - and it has stuck! Besides, if Syracuse had beaten Maryland (like just about everyone else), the Orange would be bowl-eligible right now. If Addazio had beaten Kansas (like just about everyone else), he might still be employed.

Syracuse can't anticipate Maryland player would have died days before the game so the whole team turned a monster.

They didn't have a player die days before the Syracuse game.

(12-02-2019 08:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 06:15 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 04:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think when most fans of football schools say that they want to see other ACC teams step up, what they REALLY mean is to win their non-conference games. Syracuse getting rolled by Maryland and BC losing to Kansas at home just gave the entire conference a bad reputation early in the season - and it has stuck! Besides, if Syracuse had beaten Maryland (like just about everyone else), the Orange would be bowl-eligible right now. If Addazio had beaten Kansas (like just about everyone else), he might still be employed.

Syracuse can't anticipate Maryland player would have died days before the game so the whole team turned a monster.

They didn't have a player die days before the Syracuse game.

Or died during summer break. Syracuse fans should enlighten us what happened.

Clemson hired an athletic dir who cut his teeth at LSU right?

Hire a football school (big time) experienced AD and that is the #1 way.

(12-02-2019 08:48 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 08:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 06:15 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 04:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think when most fans of football schools say that they want to see other ACC teams step up, what they REALLY mean is to win their non-conference games. Syracuse getting rolled by Maryland and BC losing to Kansas at home just gave the entire conference a bad reputation early in the season - and it has stuck! Besides, if Syracuse had beaten Maryland (like just about everyone else), the Orange would be bowl-eligible right now. If Addazio had beaten Kansas (like just about everyone else), he might still be employed.

Syracuse can't anticipate Maryland player would have died days before the game so the whole team turned a monster.

They didn't have a player die days before the Syracuse game.

Or died during summer break. Syracuse fans should enlighten us what happened.

Maryland had a player die on June 18th, but that was in 2018. I doubt that a death 446 days previously had anything to do with the absolute thrashing Maryland gave Syracuse as much as the fact that Syracuse was a very bad team this year.

(12-02-2019 06:15 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 04:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think when most fans of football schools say that they want to see other ACC teams step up, what they REALLY mean is to win their non-conference games. Syracuse getting rolled by Maryland and BC losing to Kansas at home just gave the entire conference a bad reputation early in the season - and it has stuck! Besides, if Syracuse had beaten Maryland (like just about everyone else), the Orange would be bowl-eligible right now. If Addazio had beaten Kansas (like just about everyone else), he might still be employed.

Syracuse can't anticipate Maryland player would have died days before the game so the whole team turned a monster.

I was at the game. Our defense was clueless that day. It was pathetic...the DC eventually got fired over allowing that type of performance to become the norm this year.

(12-02-2019 09:12 PM)nole Wrote:  Clemson hired an athletic dir who cut his teeth at LSU right?

Hire a football school (big time) experienced AD and that is the #1 way.

Duke had one in Joe Alleva (last ten years at LSU) until he and his son wrecked a boat while drunk on Hyco Lake.
After the accident Alleva's son (27 yrs. old) swam 3/4 of a mile to a lake house to get help ( Ala Chappaquiddick).
The son took the rap for driving the boat, but.........

Alleva and Duke parted company and the Blue Devils hired Kevin White, while Alleve took the job at LSU where he has had great success.


https://www.espn.com/college-sports/news...id=2501915

(12-02-2019 11:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 06:15 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 04:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think when most fans of football schools say that they want to see other ACC teams step up, what they REALLY mean is to win their non-conference games. Syracuse getting rolled by Maryland and BC losing to Kansas at home just gave the entire conference a bad reputation early in the season - and it has stuck! Besides, if Syracuse had beaten Maryland (like just about everyone else), the Orange would be bowl-eligible right now. If Addazio had beaten Kansas (like just about everyone else), he might still be employed.

Syracuse can't anticipate Maryland player would have died days before the game so the whole team turned a monster.

I was at the game. Our defense was clueless that day. It was pathetic...the DC eventually got fired over allowing that type of performance to become the norm this year.

So it doesn't sound like you're buying the whole "inspired Terrapins" story?

Florida state and Miami need to get good

(12-03-2019 10:41 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Florida state and Miami need to get good

Offensive Linemen... both of those teams need them.

I would again like to see the day when our good players would actually stick around for their senior year instead of transferring or going pro. Had a lot of bad luck with that during this 3 year skid, even the borderline draftable players went early.

(12-03-2019 08:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 11:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 06:15 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 04:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think when most fans of football schools say that they want to see other ACC teams step up, what they REALLY mean is to win their non-conference games. Syracuse getting rolled by Maryland and BC losing to Kansas at home just gave the entire conference a bad reputation early in the season - and it has stuck! Besides, if Syracuse had beaten Maryland (like just about everyone else), the Orange would be bowl-eligible right now. If Addazio had beaten Kansas (like just about everyone else), he might still be employed.

Syracuse can't anticipate Maryland player would have died days before the game so the whole team turned a monster.

I was at the game. Our defense was clueless that day. It was pathetic...the DC eventually got fired over allowing that type of performance to become the norm this year.

So it doesn't sound like you're buying the whole "inspired Terrapins" story?

They (UMD) hired a coach with 3 career wins...sure they could keep some things under wraps against Howard the week prior. Syracuse was outcoached badly that day and the players didn't help with poor technique.

Nothing to do with inspired play over a fallen player...just an overconfident, under prepared team playing poorly on the road against an inferior opponent.

Maybe it’s me but I read this thread question to mean what can The ACC fix, not individual schools.

I must apologize for starting the Notre Dame vs. The ACC s hit show. It was not my intent. I actually consider myself a Notre Dame fan from the days of Ara Parseghian. Since I took the question differently, I only listed what The ACC should do to take full advantage of the relationship with Notre Dame. A relationship that I personally believe has been advantageous to the conference and the Irish.

(12-03-2019 11:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:41 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Florida state and Miami need to get good

Offensive Linemen... both of those teams need them.

That's more the symptom. The core issues are bad coaches, leadership issues, revenue issues, bad decisions.

FSU has lacked OL talent for 3-5 years now (some say more like 10-15 with spots of decent OL (2013)). Really issue is why is FSU not fixing issues that have been there for many...many years?

(12-03-2019 05:56 PM)nole Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:41 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Florida state and Miami need to get good

Offensive Linemen... both of those teams need them.

That's more the symptom. The core issues are bad coaches, leadership issues, revenue issues, bad decisions.

FSU has lacked OL talent for 3-5 years now (some say more like 10-15 with spots of decent OL (2013)). Really issue is why is FSU not fixing issues that have been there for many...many years?

Fisher and Trickett were both hired in 2007 and the OL made steady improvement since then. You might remember Andrew Datko, Rodney Hudson and Bryan Stork. 2011 was a bad luck year for injuries and was forced to play a lot of freshmen. 2012 and 2013 had very good OLs. I think 2014 was the real skid which I think it was post Cam Erving and it seemed like the whole team (coaches and players) had no fire. I think Trickett stopped caring and was on the verge of retirement.

(12-03-2019 05:39 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Maybe it’s me but I read this thread question to mean what can The ACC fix, not individual schools.

I must apologize for starting the Notre Dame vs. The ACC s hit show. It was not my intent. I actually consider myself a Notre Dame fan from the days of Ara Parseghian. Since I took the question differently, I only listed what The ACC should do to take full advantage of the relationship with Notre Dame. A relationship that I personally believe has been advantageous to the conference and the Irish.

I thought your post was fine. Really, any suggestions are fair game - whether it's the ACC office or the individual schools - there are plenty of problems to fix!

I was wondering, would it be possible if instead of creating new threads we could just start bumping the threads from previous years where we have the exact same conversations? How many times can we re-hash the subject before we just have to face the fact that at the majority of ACC programs the commitment and desire to dedicate the resources that college football requires these days simply is not there? The only thing that has really changed is you don't have the usual suspects blaming Clemson and FSU because either one or the other has been in the national title picture every year since 2013 and the conference is still in the exact same position it was in back then because everybody else is hot garbage.

I would expect it to get worse before it gets better given that the next best teams after Clemson (UVA/VT) are ranked in the 60/70 range on their current recruiting classes.

The key to improving perception isnt running from competition during OOC play, its actually winning your OOC games. Specifically against power conference teams. I believe the conference has 2 non Clemson wins against other P5 conferences. That just isnt good enough

(12-04-2019 04:00 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  The key to improving perception isnt running from competition during OOC play, its actually winning your OOC games. Specifically against power conference teams. I believe the conference has 2 non Clemson wins against other P5 conferences. That just isnt good enough

THIS, but with the caveat that if your team isn't all that good... DON'T SCHEDULE WAY ABOVE YOUR WEIGHT CLASS!

(12-04-2019 04:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:00 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  The key to improving perception isnt running from competition during OOC play, its actually winning your OOC games. Specifically against power conference teams. I believe the conference has 2 non Clemson wins against other P5 conferences. That just isnt good enough

THIS, but with the caveat that if your team isn't all that good... DON'T SCHEDULE WAY ABOVE YOUR WEIGHT CLASS!

Virginia. Syracuse. Duke. North Carolina. All have had major high profile "what are you thinking?" OOC games in the last 6-8 years. Duke wanting to schedule Alabama in Atlanta is about as dumb of a move as I can imagine. And Duke got humiliated on bright national TV. I'm sure with that being the one game casual fans were most likely to have seen of Duke that will go a long way to repairing perception or helping land recruits for what is becoming an increasingly depleted Duke roster.