(04-08-2020 04:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 11:12 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 10:56 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 10:21 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Hockey will be a major part of their athletics. MSP cares about hockey and has given up on the Gophers.

Ok. Suddenly people of Minny are going to start watching St Thomas hockey instead of state flagship. Sounds plausible......Not!

They started watching Mn-Duluth, MnSt-Mankato and St Cloud St, so obviously you dont know the MSP hockey market. UST has a major radio station for athletics now as a DIII school. MSP does not look at UST as DiII

Do you have tv ratings from a reliable source to back this up?

No I don't. But you simply have no understanding how youth hockey is so important to Minnesota, as there are not Iinterested in Canadian or Michigan based youth making a major contribution to a college team. St Thomas would be highly popular just for having a .Minnesota based team. UST has a associated HS, St Thomas Academy, which has very good hockey, and if had an eight year program with transfers that wod be very entjcing to the public.

.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.twincities.com/2017/03/11/mn-state-hockey-tournament-seen-in-37-countries-and-all-50-states/amp/

The whole Minnesota to Big Ten in hockey ruins so may traditions that the fans have turned against it, as Mariucce Arena is now empty almost all the time. MSP wants some other college hockey team. The fans miss playing against Minnesota based teams like UND, Omaha, Duluth, St Cloud, etc.

I didn't realize that Omaha was in Minnesota

(04-08-2020 12:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 11:12 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 10:56 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Ok. Suddenly people of Minny are going to start watching St Thomas hockey instead of state flagship. Sounds plausible......Not!

They started watching Mn-Duluth, MnSt-Mankato and St Cloud St, so obviously you dont know the MSP hockey market. UST has a major radio station for athletics now as a DIII school. MSP does not look at UST as DiII

Do you have tv ratings from a reliable source to back this up?

No I don't. But you simply have no understanding how youth hockey is so important to Minnesota, as there are not Iinterested in Canadian or Michigan based youth making a major contribution to a college team. St Thomas would be highly popular just for having a .Minnesota based team. UST has a associated HS, St Thomas Academy, which has very good hockey, and if had an eight year program with transfers that wod be very entjcing to the public.

.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.twincities.com/2017/03/11/mn-state-hockey-tournament-seen-in-37-countries-and-all-50-states/amp/

The whole Minnesota to Big Ten in hockey ruins so may traditions that the fans have turned against it, as Mariucce Arena is now empty almost all the time. MSP wants some other college hockey team. The fans miss playing against Minnesota based teams like UND, Omaha, Duluth, St Cloud, etc.

I didn't realize that Omaha was in Minnesota

Omaha gets most of their hockey talent from Minnesota.

(04-08-2020 12:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  ... The fans miss playing against Minnesota based teams like UND, Omaha, Duluth, St Cloud, etc.

I didn't realize that Omaha was in Minnesota

Omaha gets most of their hockey talent from Minnesota.

Nice try, but that's still not what "Minnesota based" means.

(04-08-2020 12:20 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  ... The fans miss playing against Minnesota based teams like UND, Omaha, Duluth, St Cloud, etc.

I didn't realize that Omaha was in Minnesota

Omaha gets most of their hockey talent from Minnesota.

Nice try, but that's still not what "Minnesota based" means.

Omaha has many international players but Minnesota by far dominates the Americans.

International players have a totally different recruiting system.

https://omavs.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster

North Dakota has really produced players recently, specifically Grand Forks who plays and wins the preHS Minnesota league, but there is not much top talent out of that state in the western Midwest.

(04-08-2020 12:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 11:12 AM)NoDak Wrote:  They started watching Mn-Duluth, MnSt-Mankato and St Cloud St, so obviously you dont know the MSP hockey market. UST has a major radio station for athletics now as a DIII school. MSP does not look at UST as DiII

Do you have tv ratings from a reliable source to back this up?

No I don't. But you simply have no understanding how youth hockey is so important to Minnesota, as there are not Iinterested in Canadian or Michigan based youth making a major contribution to a college team. St Thomas would be highly popular just for having a .Minnesota based team. UST has a associated HS, St Thomas Academy, which has very good hockey, and if had an eight year program with transfers that wod be very entjcing to the public.

.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.twincities.com/2017/03/11/mn-state-hockey-tournament-seen-in-37-countries-and-all-50-states/amp/

The whole Minnesota to Big Ten in hockey ruins so may traditions that the fans have turned against it, as Mariucce Arena is now empty almost all the time. MSP wants some other college hockey team. The fans miss playing against Minnesota based teams like UND, Omaha, Duluth, St Cloud, etc.

I didn't realize that Omaha was in Minnesota

Omaha gets most of their hockey talent from Minnesota.

They get it from the USHL. The USHL gets it from Minnesota. It's not like football where they recruit high schools, they recruit from what's basically select teams.

(04-08-2020 12:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:20 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  ... The fans miss playing against Minnesota based teams like UND, Omaha, Duluth, St Cloud, etc.

I didn't realize that Omaha was in Minnesota

Omaha gets most of their hockey talent from Minnesota.

Nice try, but that's still not what "Minnesota based" means.

Omaha has many international players but Minnesota by far dominates the Americans.

International players have a totally different recruiting system.

https://omavs.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster

North Dakota has really produced players recently, specifically Grand Forks who plays and wins the preHS Minnesota league, but there is not much top talent out of that state in the western Midwest.

There are 6 players that list Minnesota as their home.

Not really Minnesota anything.

(04-08-2020 06:45 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Do you have tv ratings from a reliable source to back this up?

No I don't. But you simply have no understanding how youth hockey is so important to Minnesota, as there are not Iinterested in Canadian or Michigan based youth making a major contribution to a college team. St Thomas would be highly popular just for having a .Minnesota based team. UST has a associated HS, St Thomas Academy, which has very good hockey, and if had an eight year program with transfers that wod be very entjcing to the public.

.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.twincities.com/2017/03/11/mn-state-hockey-tournament-seen-in-37-countries-and-all-50-states/amp/

The whole Minnesota to Big Ten in hockey ruins so may traditions that the fans have turned against it, as Mariucce Arena is now empty almost all the time. MSP wants some other college hockey team. The fans miss playing against Minnesota based teams like UND, Omaha, Duluth, St Cloud, etc.

I didn't realize that Omaha was in Minnesota

Omaha gets most of their hockey talent from Minnesota.

They get it from the USHL. The USHL gets it from Minnesota. It's not like football where they recruit high schools, they recruit from what's basically select teams.

Has Iowa or Nebraska kids developed their talent enough to play in the USHL? Generally, only states east of North Dakota along the Canadian boundary have decent HS hockey.

Some southern cities in the NHL have surprising youth development though with excellent athletes and skills., but it gets very expensive. Illinois and Ohio might be the exceptions.

(04-08-2020 12:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:20 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  ... The fans miss playing against Minnesota based teams like UND, Omaha, Duluth, St Cloud, etc.

I didn't realize that Omaha was in Minnesota

Omaha gets most of their hockey talent from Minnesota.

Nice try, but that's still not what "Minnesota based" means.

Omaha has many international players but Minnesota by far dominates the Americans.

International players have a totally different recruiting system.

https://omavs.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster ...

So a roster with 6 players from MN, 8 players from Canada, and 8 players from states east of MN is so dominated by "MN" players that it's supposed to count "as if" it was actually based in MN?

It would have been a lot cleaner if you had just admitted you called that one wrong when it was first pointed out.

(04-08-2020 08:46 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:20 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I didn't realize that Omaha was in Minnesota

Omaha gets most of their hockey talent from Minnesota.

Nice try, but that's still not what "Minnesota based" means.

Omaha has many international players but Minnesota by far dominates the Americans.

International players have a totally different recruiting system.

https://omavs.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster ...

So a roster with 6 players from MN, 8 players from Canada, and 8 players from states east of MN is so dominated by "MN" players that it's supposed to count "as if" it was actually based in MN?

It would have been a lot cleaner if you had just admitted you called that one wrong when it was first pointed out.

You cant discern American vs Canadian players apparently. Every team in that region can. You and dbackjon are the supposed experts/jokers in everything with absolutely no history knowledge of Minnesota youth hockey.

Omaha's coach now is Albertan, but before was Dean Blais, former coach of the Columbus Blue Jackets. a UND national championship team, and Roseau, a small school that competes among the Big Boys to win a many Minnesota HS championships in the largest class and field many Olympians.

Coaches often take players from systems they know best as rosters do change.

(04-08-2020 07:16 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 06:45 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 12:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  No I don't. But you simply have no understanding how youth hockey is so important to Minnesota, as there are not Iinterested in Canadian or Michigan based youth making a major contribution to a college team. St Thomas would be highly popular just for having a .Minnesota based team. UST has a associated HS, St Thomas Academy, which has very good hockey, and if had an eight year program with transfers that wod be very entjcing to the public.

.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.twincities.com/2017/03/11/mn-state-hockey-tournament-seen-in-37-countries-and-all-50-states/amp/

The whole Minnesota to Big Ten in hockey ruins so may traditions that the fans have turned against it, as Mariucce Arena is now empty almost all the time. MSP wants some other college hockey team. The fans miss playing against Minnesota based teams like UND, Omaha, Duluth, St Cloud, etc.

I didn't realize that Omaha was in Minnesota

Omaha gets most of their hockey talent from Minnesota.

They get it from the USHL. The USHL gets it from Minnesota. It's not like football where they recruit high schools, they recruit from what's basically select teams.

Has Iowa or Nebraska kids developed their talent enough to play in the USHL? Generally, only states east of North Dakota along the Canadian boundary have decent HS hockey.

Some southern cities in the NHL have surprising youth development though with excellent athletes and skills., but it gets very expensive. Illinois and Ohio might be the exceptions.

Irrelevant. You made it sound like they had a pipeline to Minnesota in the same sense a football program has a pipeline to Texas. They don't. The development system in hockey is completely different than football or basketball. Yes, Minnesota puts out the most talent, especially west of the Appalachians, no one's denying that. It's just drafted to USHL teams, developed there for a few years, then recruited based on their development in that league. I don't think they care where their players come from, they just want the best ones they can get.

(04-08-2020 08:55 PM)NoDak Wrote:  You cant discern American vs Canadian players apparently. Every team in that region can. You and dbackjon are the supposed experts/jokers in everything with absolutely no history knowledge of Minnesota youth hockey.

You have pushed the goalposts so far in this conversation its like moving them from the American football field to the World football field.

The claim you are defending is the claim that Omaha is a "Minnesota based" team.

It was pointed out that Omaha is in Nebraska, not Minnesota.

So you said they get "most of their talent" from Minnesota, and included a link, which showed more players from Canada than from Minnesota and not even a majority of the American players from Minnesota.

Bluster all you want, and move the goalposts as far as you want, but you haven't backed up your claim.

I'll retract my statements to Omaha relies on the USHL, but in turn the USHL relies on Minnesota for survival. Without those two factors, it would be almost impossible for Omaha to field a decent team. I simply shortcutted the two statements. The knowledge of hockey gets an F on this board.

Over the years, Minnesota has had USHL teams, but they have all gone bust, because MN HS hockey is so preeminent culturally. USHL teams in states further south like Nebraska, Iowa, and Illinois are doing well and are much more stable. An Iowa, Illinois,Indiana, or Purdue hockey team would face the same issues like Omaha.

Kids in Minnesota generally want to be on an excellent MN St HS team, but if that's not available, they chose HS studies further south. HS hockey is so important in MN, that USHL teams to not do well there. In addition, a lot of kids need two extra years of competition to be at college level, which the USHL allows.

Why are people still arguing with the troll in this thread spreading BS?

(04-09-2020 06:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why are people still arguing with the troll in this thread spreading BS?

Pot, kettle...

(04-09-2020 03:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I'll retract my statements to Omaha relies on the USHL, but in turn the USHL relies on Minnesota for survival. Without those two factors, it would be almost impossible for Omaha to field a decent team. I simply shortcutted the two statements. The knowledge of hockey gets an F on this board.

No, you are using "knowledge of hockey" in order to change the point that you were addressing.

That two-step logic you are doing, Omaha relies on the USHL and the USHL relies on Minnesota ... cannot get you (or anyone) to a claim that ANY team is "Minnesota based" in the context in which you made the original claim.

That is, "they are not actually from this state but by and large their players are" would be kind of status that might argue for getting a side into a "largely Minnesota based" conference.

That was the claim were you falling back on when you first moved the goal posts and posted the link which was in fact a pointer to evidence that it is quite clearly not true.

Now you have moved the goal posts to "The player development resource they rely on in turn relies on Minnesota", which is zero reason for getting a side into a "largely Minnesota based" conference.

Like pushing the goal posts from an American football field to a world football field so you can claim a point for getting the ball under the bar.

Withdrawing your original claim is an admission you were wrong, and everything else is just smoke and mirrors to distract from the fact you had to admit you were wrong.

(04-09-2020 06:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why are people still arguing with the troll in this thread spreading BS?

I honest to God can't tell if it's a troll or just another ignorant, loudmouth Whioux fan. A lot of them are like this.