(02-28-2020 11:55 PM)BlazinBham Wrote: Thread was posted with intention to get political and when an opposing view is shared, “let’s not get political”
Second, I don't understand putting the VP in charge of this. You have Dr. Anthony Fauci who is head of NIH's Infectious Disease who has done these types of responses for decades. You have Dr. Anne Shuchatt at CDC who is the deputy there. She ran the Respiratory Disease and Immunology Center for a decade including during the N1N1 pandemic. And then you already have a political appointee in the HHS Secretary who isn't unfamiliar to these responses as he was deputy at HHS for three years in the Bush admin.
Yet, you put the VP in charge of a highly specific scientific issue. But that's not playing politics with it? Come on. That makes absolutely no sense except to do one thing and that is make sure that whatever comes out of the government is what paints Trump in the best light. That's downright irresponsible during a public health crisis, because information is probably one of if not the most important aspects to help protect people from acquiring the virus.
The VP is not heading up the Medical work being done, just the Govt response efforts. That is a political post. He has the experience needed to do that. This is basically a nasty flu bug, and most likely will slow down over the summer. The Gov't is doing what it can do short term to slow the spread over the next 2 mos. Then it is all about fast tracking any vaccine development, and Preparing the country for what could be a nasty break out over the Fall and Winter. The biggest argument out there at the moment is over $$, Dems are asking for 3 to 4x what Trump asked for. He has already said he will ask for more if needed. You likely will have a much better handle on how much $$ is needed in a few months. As long as the 2.5 billion does what is needed short term, it really does not matter.
Nothing about my post was political. Except that I fairly criticized both sides highlighting the double standard of both politicizing a crisis to their own benefit which I absolutely despise. Let me repeat the salient point to what I said earlier. Information to the public is one of the most important tools in a public health crisis. Using the VP for this purpose it is obvious what is being done. The “government response” is predominately one of public health and medical operations. By placing someone who has no public health background in charge, the administration is taking significant risk all in the name of making sure information about this disease is controlled by the WH. It’s reckless and frankly wreaks of how China handles things like this in trying to control the narrative and message. For a public health crisis, that’s a non-starter.
Ok. Now for your other nonsense. This is not just a nasty flu bug. It’s a novel virus which means no one in the world has any built in immunity. And with a vaccine over a year away there is a chance we wake up and cases have doubled overnight. If you will go back to earlier in this thread you will see when there was a time I was stating that there were some over reactions here in the US. The situation has now changed. This is a serious public health threat.
Second, we don’t know that it will slow down over the summer. It may, but because we don’t yet fully understand how this virus transmits and the fact that it’s novel means we could see virus transmission out of seasonal scope. This particular coronavirus is clearly much better at achieving person to person transmission than the two previous major coronaviruses (SARS and MERS). If there is any good news the case fatality rate is much lower than MERS, but again that could change. SARS and MERS did not re-emerge in following seasons. Because of the ease of transmisbility with COVID19 we may not be as lucky this time. And even if it does fall off in the summer when it begins to spike in the fall it could have mutated to a more fatal virus well before a vaccine is ready at time when most of the planet still does not have any immunity.
Second, I don't understand putting the VP in charge of this. You have Dr. Anthony Fauci who is head of NIH's Infectious Disease who has done these types of responses for decades. You have Dr. Anne Shuchatt at CDC who is the deputy there. She ran the Respiratory Disease and Immunology Center for a decade including during the N1N1 pandemic. And then you already have a political appointee in the HHS Secretary who isn't unfamiliar to these responses as he was deputy at HHS for three years in the Bush admin.
Yet, you put the VP in charge of a highly specific scientific issue. But that's not playing politics with it? Come on. That makes absolutely no sense except to do one thing and that is make sure that whatever comes out of the government is what paints Trump in the best light. That's downright irresponsible during a public health crisis, because information is probably one of if not the most important aspects to help protect people from acquiring the virus.
The VP is not heading up the Medical work being done, just the Govt response efforts. That is a political post. He has the experience needed to do that. This is basically a nasty flu bug, and most likely will slow down over the summer. The Gov't is doing what it can do short term to slow the spread over the next 2 mos. Then it is all about fast tracking any vaccine development, and Preparing the country for what could be a nasty break out over the Fall and Winter. The biggest argument out there at the moment is over $$, Dems are asking for 3 to 4x what Trump asked for. He has already said he will ask for more if needed. You likely will have a much better handle on how much $$ is needed in a few months. As long as the 2.5 billion does what is needed short term, it really does not matter.
Nothing about my post was political. Except that I fairly criticized both sides highlighting the double standard of both politicizing a crisis to their own benefit which I absolutely despise. Let me repeat the salient point to what I said earlier. Information to the public is one of the most important tools in a public health crisis. Using the VP for this purpose it is obvious what is being done. The “government response” is predominately one of public health and medical operations. By placing someone who has no public health background in charge, the administration is taking significant risk all in the name of making sure information about this disease is controlled by the WH. It’s reckless and frankly wreaks of how China handles things like this in trying to control the narrative and message. For a public health crisis, that’s a non-starter.
Ok. Now for your other nonsense. This is not just a nasty flu bug. It’s a novel virus which means no one in the world has any built in immunity. And with a vaccine over a year away there is a chance we wake up and cases have doubled overnight. If you will go back to earlier in this thread you will see when there was a time I was stating that there were some over reactions here in the US. The situation has now changed. This is a serious public health threat.
Second, we don’t know that it will slow down over the summer. It may, but because we don’t yet fully understand how this virus transmits and the fact that it’s novel means we could see virus transmission out of seasonal scope. This particular coronavirus is clearly much better at achieving person to person transmission than the two previous major coronaviruses (SARS and MERS). If there is any good news the case fatality rate is much lower than MERS, but again that could change. SARS and MERS did not re-emerge in following seasons. Because of the ease of transmisbility with COVID19 we may not be as lucky this time. And even if it does fall off in the summer when it begins to spike in the fall it could have mutated to a more fatal virus well before a vaccine is ready at time when most of the planet still does not have any immunity.
Let me ask you a question since you have a background in these things. So far at least it seems children are less prone to contracting it, nobody is sure quite why yet but one theory is that since other types of coronaviruses are responsible for some common colds and kids are little snot machines all winter constantly catching one cold after another that their immune response might be better at battling it. Any validity to that idea? Should we have head cold parties for our kids like we used to for chicken pox?
Second, I don't understand putting the VP in charge of this. You have Dr. Anthony Fauci who is head of NIH's Infectious Disease who has done these types of responses for decades. You have Dr. Anne Shuchatt at CDC who is the deputy there. She ran the Respiratory Disease and Immunology Center for a decade including during the N1N1 pandemic. And then you already have a political appointee in the HHS Secretary who isn't unfamiliar to these responses as he was deputy at HHS for three years in the Bush admin.
Yet, you put the VP in charge of a highly specific scientific issue. But that's not playing politics with it? Come on. That makes absolutely no sense except to do one thing and that is make sure that whatever comes out of the government is what paints Trump in the best light. That's downright irresponsible during a public health crisis, because information is probably one of if not the most important aspects to help protect people from acquiring the virus.
The VP is not heading up the Medical work being done, just the Govt response efforts. That is a political post. He has the experience needed to do that. This is basically a nasty flu bug, and most likely will slow down over the summer. The Gov't is doing what it can do short term to slow the spread over the next 2 mos. Then it is all about fast tracking any vaccine development, and Preparing the country for what could be a nasty break out over the Fall and Winter. The biggest argument out there at the moment is over $$, Dems are asking for 3 to 4x what Trump asked for. He has already said he will ask for more if needed. You likely will have a much better handle on how much $$ is needed in a few months. As long as the 2.5 billion does what is needed short term, it really does not matter.
Nothing about my post was political. Except that I fairly criticized both sides highlighting the double standard of both politicizing a crisis to their own benefit which I absolutely despise. Let me repeat the salient point to what I said earlier. Information to the public is one of the most important tools in a public health crisis. Using the VP for this purpose it is obvious what is being done. The “government response” is predominately one of public health and medical operations. By placing someone who has no public health background in charge, the administration is taking significant risk all in the name of making sure information about this disease is controlled by the WH. It’s reckless and frankly wreaks of how China handles things like this in trying to control the narrative and message. For a public health crisis, that’s a non-starter.
Ok. Now for your other nonsense. This is not just a nasty flu bug. It’s a novel virus which means no one in the world has any built in immunity. And with a vaccine over a year away there is a chance we wake up and cases have doubled overnight. If you will go back to earlier in this thread you will see when there was a time I was stating that there were some over reactions here in the US. The situation has now changed. This is a serious public health threat.
Second, we don’t know that it will slow down over the summer. It may, but because we don’t yet fully understand how this virus transmits and the fact that it’s novel means we could see virus transmission out of seasonal scope. This particular coronavirus is clearly much better at achieving person to person transmission than the two previous major coronaviruses (SARS and MERS). If there is any good news the case fatality rate is much lower than MERS, but again that could change. SARS and MERS did not re-emerge in following seasons. Because of the ease of transmisbility with COVID19 we may not be as lucky this time. And even if it does fall off in the summer when it begins to spike in the fall it could have mutated to a more fatal virus well before a vaccine is ready at time when most of the planet still does not have any immunity.
Let me ask you a question since you have a background in these things. So far at least it seems children are less prone to contracting it, nobody is sure quite why yet but one theory is that since other types of coronaviruses are responsible for some common colds and kids are little snot machines all winter constantly catching one cold after another that their immune response might be better at battling it. Any validity to that idea? Should we have head cold parties for our kids like we used to for chicken pox?
Last question first. The premise to intentionally infect kids with anything is an absurdity. The goal is to prevent infections not increase them. As for the connection to the common cold viruses, there may be something to that. To be honest, it's just not something we understand yet. We're more or less only a few months into this, so that research will take some time. It's going to be interesting to see if we find out months from now some children get infected with symptoms so mild it doesn't raise flags, but they serve as carriers to keep it moving.
So in other words, even if it's not affecting children as severely, they can still be a means for continued transmission particularly through schools and daycares. And then they take it home to parents and grandparents.
Second, I don't understand putting the VP in charge of this. You have Dr. Anthony Fauci who is head of NIH's Infectious Disease who has done these types of responses for decades. You have Dr. Anne Shuchatt at CDC who is the deputy there. She ran the Respiratory Disease and Immunology Center for a decade including during the N1N1 pandemic. And then you already have a political appointee in the HHS Secretary who isn't unfamiliar to these responses as he was deputy at HHS for three years in the Bush admin.
Yet, you put the VP in charge of a highly specific scientific issue. But that's not playing politics with it? Come on. That makes absolutely no sense except to do one thing and that is make sure that whatever comes out of the government is what paints Trump in the best light. That's downright irresponsible during a public health crisis, because information is probably one of if not the most important aspects to help protect people from acquiring the virus.
The VP is not heading up the Medical work being done, just the Govt response efforts. That is a political post. He has the experience needed to do that. This is basically a nasty flu bug, and most likely will slow down over the summer. The Gov't is doing what it can do short term to slow the spread over the next 2 mos. Then it is all about fast tracking any vaccine development, and Preparing the country for what could be a nasty break out over the Fall and Winter. The biggest argument out there at the moment is over $$, Dems are asking for 3 to 4x what Trump asked for. He has already said he will ask for more if needed. You likely will have a much better handle on how much $$ is needed in a few months. As long as the 2.5 billion does what is needed short term, it really does not matter.
Nothing about my post was political. Except that I fairly criticized both sides highlighting the double standard of both politicizing a crisis to their own benefit which I absolutely despise. Let me repeat the salient point to what I said earlier. Information to the public is one of the most important tools in a public health crisis. Using the VP for this purpose it is obvious what is being done. The “government response” is predominately one of public health and medical operations. By placing someone who has no public health background in charge, the administration is taking significant risk all in the name of making sure information about this disease is controlled by the WH. It’s reckless and frankly wreaks of how China handles things like this in trying to control the narrative and message. For a public health crisis, that’s a non-starter.
Ok. Now for your other nonsense. This is not just a nasty flu bug. It’s a novel virus which means no one in the world has any built in immunity. And with a vaccine over a year away there is a chance we wake up and cases have doubled overnight. If you will go back to earlier in this thread you will see when there was a time I was stating that there were some over reactions here in the US. The situation has now changed. This is a serious public health threat.
Second, we don’t know that it will slow down over the summer. It may, but because we don’t yet fully understand how this virus transmits and the fact that it’s novel means we could see virus transmission out of seasonal scope. This particular coronavirus is clearly much better at achieving person to person transmission than the two previous major coronaviruses (SARS and MERS). If there is any good news the case fatality rate is much lower than MERS, but again that could change. SARS and MERS did not re-emerge in following seasons. Because of the ease of transmisbility with COVID19 we may not be as lucky this time. And even if it does fall off in the summer when it begins to spike in the fall it could have mutated to a more fatal virus well before a vaccine is ready at time when most of the planet still does not have any immunity.
This is the issue. An anti-science guy who has control over the experts' dissemination of information to the public. That is akin to what happens in Iran, Russia and China. Both sides of the aisle have effed up the response to this but only one side cut funding for global pandemic research, surveillance and response two years ago.
Thanks for the unbiased scientific info. Keep it coming.
FWIW, I believe VP pence does have some experience in this area, as he handled a similar medical crisis and response in the State of Indiana when he was Governor there (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)), so to me the appointment seems to make some sense. The first case of MERS in the United States was identified in Indiana on May 1, 2014, during the time Mike Pence was Governor of Indiana.
When the case was confirmed, Pence issued a statement saying "we have deployed the full resources of the Indiana State Department of Health to engage in tracking this case, assessing the risk to the public and working to prevent the spread of this virus."
The virus was contained, with only two people in the United States contracting the illness:
On May 1, testing at the Indiana State Department of Health Laboratory (ISDHL) indicated that the patient was infected with MERS-CoV; on May 2, CDC confirmed these results. ISDH quickly and efficiently initiated proper emergency procedures to ensure that the patient received quality care and to protect and test all possible points of contact. Working with key interstate departments and CDC,allowed for rapid testing and information distribution to providers and the public. Through a team effort, the patient was treated and no other cases were identified. A huge public health threat was successfully averted.
(02-29-2020 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: I wish I owned a company that made face masks and hand sanitizer...
Most of the masks people are buying will do little or nothing. But washing your hands frequently throughout the day WILL do wonders to stop the spread of this as well as many other illnesses. So...when you see someone in a public area walk out of the bathroom NOT washing his or her hands, maybe seek to gently remind them, so they and the rest of us can stay healthier. THAT is REAL HealthCare for all, and, it's Very Affordable!!
(02-29-2020 08:06 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: FWIW, I believe VP pence does have some experience in this area, as he handled a similar medical crisis and response in the State of Indiana when he was Governor there (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)), so to me the appointment seems to make some sense. The first case of MERS in the United States was identified in Indiana on May 1, 2014, during the time Mike Pence was Governor of Indiana.
When the case was confirmed, Pence issued a statement saying "we have deployed the full resources of the Indiana State Department of Health to engage in tracking this case, assessing the risk to the public and working to prevent the spread of this virus."
The virus was contained, with only two people in the United States contracting the illness:
On May 1, testing at the Indiana State Department of Health Laboratory (ISDHL) indicated that the patient was infected with MERS-CoV; on May 2, CDC confirmed these results. ISDH quickly and efficiently initiated proper emergency procedures to ensure that the patient received quality care and to protect and test all possible points of contact. Working with key interstate departments and CDC,allowed for rapid testing and information distribution to providers and the public. Through a team effort, the patient was treated and no other cases were identified. A huge public health threat was successfully averted.
Pretty good record of response by then-Governor Pence's administration, it would seem.
I appreciate the effort here, but being governor of state that had one case of a virus hardly qualifies one to lead the entire federal public health response to an outbreak that’s probably a week or two away from being declared as a pandemic. But I will give you an A for effort.
(02-29-2020 08:06 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: FWIW, I believe VP pence does have some experience in this area, as he handled a similar medical crisis and response in the State of Indiana when he was Governor there (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)), so to me the appointment seems to make some sense. The first case of MERS in the United States was identified in Indiana on May 1, 2014, during the time Mike Pence was Governor of Indiana.
When the case was confirmed, Pence issued a statement saying "we have deployed the full resources of the Indiana State Department of Health to engage in tracking this case, assessing the risk to the public and working to prevent the spread of this virus."
The virus was contained, with only two people in the United States contracting the illness:
On May 1, testing at the Indiana State Department of Health Laboratory (ISDHL) indicated that the patient was infected with MERS-CoV; on May 2, CDC confirmed these results. ISDH quickly and efficiently initiated proper emergency procedures to ensure that the patient received quality care and to protect and test all possible points of contact. Working with key interstate departments and CDC,allowed for rapid testing and information distribution to providers and the public. Through a team effort, the patient was treated and no other cases were identified. A huge public health threat was successfully averted.
Pretty good record of response by then-Governor Pence's administration, it would seem.
I appreciate the effort here, but being governor of state that had one case of a virus hardly qualifies one to lead the entire federal public health response to an outbreak that’s probably a week or two away from being declared as a pandemic. But I will give you an A for effort.
Here's likely the real reason VP Pence's leadership in this area is being so vehemently questioned:
Funding cuts approved in 2011 while Mitch Daniels was governor led to the closure of five rural Planned Parenthood clinics in Indiana, including the facility in Scott County that had been providing HIV tests.
The nation's first case of Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS, emerged in Munster, Ind. It is important to not that MERS is also caused by a coronavirus. According to the CDC, most MERS patients developed severe respiratory illness, and three or four out of every 10 reported cases were fatal. The majority of the fatal cases were reported in Saudi Arabia, where more than 450 people died. Double digits deaths have also been reported in South Korea and the United Arab Emirates. But in the US, no one died, due to the quick response and leadership in Indiana.
This appears to be a smear campaign helped along by Planned Parenthood and their cronies because of the financial hurt from their business put on them by decent folks in states like Indiana and leaders like Pence.
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2020 01:50 AM by GoodOwl.)
(02-29-2020 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: I wish I owned a company that made face masks and hand sanitizer...
Most of the masks people are buying will do little or nothing. But washing your hands frequently throughout the day WILL do wonders to stop the spread of this as well as many other illnesses. So...when you see someone in a public area walk out of the bathroom NOT washing his or her hands, maybe seek to gently remind them, so they and the rest of us can stay healthier. THAT is REAL HealthCare for all, and, it's Very Affordable!!
(02-29-2020 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: I wish I owned a company that made face masks and hand sanitizer...
Most of the masks people are buying will do little or nothing. But washing your hands frequently throughout the day WILL do wonders to stop the spread of this as well as many other illnesses. So...when you see someone in a public area walk out of the bathroom NOT washing his or her hands, maybe seek to gently remind them, so they and the rest of us can stay healthier. THAT is REAL HealthCare for all, and, it's Very Affordable!!
it ain' most....it's ALL masks relative to bacterium....HEPA filtration wouldn't serve that purpose....
squirrels lookin' for 'corns they are....the masses can only react to the pundits that 'rule'....
(02-29-2020 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: I wish I owned a company that made face masks and hand sanitizer...
Most of the masks people are buying will do little or nothing. But washing your hands frequently throughout the day WILL do wonders to stop the spread of this as well as many other illnesses. So...when you see someone in a public area walk out of the bathroom NOT washing his or her hands, maybe seek to gently remind them, so they and the rest of us can stay healthier. THAT is REAL HealthCare for all, and, it's Very Affordable!!
it ain' most....it's ALL masks relative to bacterium....HEPA filtration wouldn't serve that purpose....
squirrels lookin' for 'corns they are....the masses can only react to the pundits that 'rule'....
(02-29-2020 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: I wish I owned a company that made face masks and hand sanitizer...
Most of the masks people are buying will do little or nothing. But washing your hands frequently throughout the day WILL do wonders to stop the spread of this as well as many other illnesses. So...when you see someone in a public area walk out of the bathroom NOT washing his or her hands, maybe seek to gently remind them, so they and the rest of us can stay healthier. THAT is REAL HealthCare for all, and, it's Very Affordable!!
it ain' most....it's ALL masks relative to bacterium....HEPA filtration wouldn't serve that purpose....
squirrels lookin' for 'corns they are....the masses can only react to the pundits that 'rule'....
not true at all...
you, me , and GO all should've been born as a jew....
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