https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/SB-B...oughs.aspx

Will other sports networks follow?

reminds me to cancel my annual subscription to them.. I subscribe for it's boxing shows.

My year will end in early May. Already cancelled. No reason to watch if there’s no MLB change up or boxing.

(03-31-2020 02:52 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  reminds me to cancel my annual subscription to them.. I subscribe for it's boxing shows.

I sign up for and drop DAZN all the time depending on boxing. E.g., a few months ago they had some fight I wanted to see - maybe it was a Tyson Fury fight or Joshua vs Ruiz II - so i paid the $25 for the month to see the fight, then canceled before my month was up.

I've never viewed DAZN as being worth anywhere near $25 a month on an ongoing basis like i do Netflix or even ESPN+ for their amounts.

Certainly thie r not paying. That's what insurance is for

(03-31-2020 04:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:52 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  reminds me to cancel my annual subscription to them.. I subscribe for it's boxing shows.

I sign up for and drop DAZN all the time depending on boxing. E.g., a few months ago they had some fight I wanted to see - maybe it was a Tyson Fury fight or Joshua vs Ruiz II - so i paid the $25 for the month to see the fight, then canceled before my month was up.

I've never viewed DAZN as being worth anywhere near $25 a month on an ongoing basis like i do Netflix or even ESPN+ for their amounts.

Yeah, that’s why you can sign up for $100 for a whole year, instead of $20 each month you want to see something

(03-31-2020 04:40 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 04:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:52 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  reminds me to cancel my annual subscription to them.. I subscribe for it's boxing shows.

I sign up for and drop DAZN all the time depending on boxing. E.g., a few months ago they had some fight I wanted to see - maybe it was a Tyson Fury fight or Joshua vs Ruiz II - so i paid the $25 for the month to see the fight, then canceled before my month was up.

I've never viewed DAZN as being worth anywhere near $25 a month on an ongoing basis like i do Netflix or even ESPN+ for their amounts.

Yeah, that’s why you can sign up for $100 for a whole year, instead of $20 each month you want to see something

That's right ... ans FWIW, I'm not going to pay $100 for a year of DAZN either, LOL.

makes sense. Why should media companies pay for contracted events that don't happen?

(03-31-2020 07:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  makes sense. Why should media companies pay for contracted events that don't happen?

It all depends on what the language of the contract says.

(03-31-2020 07:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  makes sense. Why should media companies pay for contracted events that don't happen?

It all depends on what the language of the contract says.

They would have a good case in court.

You can have a contract that says you agree to pay X no matter what for widgets. But if no widgets are delivered, then it probably doesn't matter what the contract says, the widget provider is in breach of contract.

(03-31-2020 07:36 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  makes sense. Why should media companies pay for contracted events that don't happen?

It all depends on what the language of the contract says.

They would have a good case in court.

You can have a contract that says you agree to pay X no matter what for widgets. But if no widgets are delivered, then it probably doesn't matter what the contract says, the widget provider is in breach of contract.

Exactly

But these leagues have a lot of leverage

For example why would the NFL take a chance with DAZN for Sunday Ticket next contract., when DAZN has shown they wont guarantee the funds should a catastrophe happen outside the NFLs control

(04-01-2020 07:03 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:36 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  makes sense. Why should media companies pay for contracted events that don't happen?

It all depends on what the language of the contract says.

They would have a good case in court.

You can have a contract that says you agree to pay X no matter what for widgets. But if no widgets are delivered, then it probably doesn't matter what the contract says, the widget provider is in breach of contract.

Exactly

But these leagues have a lot of leverage

For example why would the NFL take a chance with DAZN for Sunday Ticket next contract., when DAZN has shown they wont guarantee the funds should a catastrophe happen outside the NFLs control

I don't think NFL if they cancel or instead play a 14 or 12 game season is going to expect CBS/Fox/ESPN to fork out the entire value of the contracts without some sort of adjustment in line with what was delivered. Contract pretty universally contain clauses that deal with this by saying party X can't deliver the widget, party Y doesn't have to pay and no one is in breach because neither had any control over the circumstances and no way existed to mitigate.

ESPN bought the whole bundle of sticks from ACC and AAC and MAC and Sun Belt and I really doubt a publicly traded company is going to shell out 100% of rights fees to them for 2019-20. Now they might wave off MAC and Sun Belt since what they lost was nominal. The league hoops title games on linear channels and the rest of ESPN3/ESPN+ content. AAC a bit more. ACC they lost some significant linear channel content.

(03-31-2020 07:36 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  makes sense. Why should media companies pay for contracted events that don't happen?

It all depends on what the language of the contract says.

They would have a good case in court.

You can have a contract that says you agree to pay X no matter what for widgets. But if no widgets are delivered, then it probably doesn't matter what the contract says, the widget provider is in breach of contract.

I suspect there are clauses in all these contracts about Force Majeur and things like that. And usually when that's the case, there will be a difference of opinion about what each side is obligated to do.

Since the networks and conferences/leagues are long-term partners, it is unlikely that the disagreements will get nasty, meaning headed for court, at least not immediately. But there will have to be sit-downs (or Zoom meetings) to negotiate the situations, if you think both sides will instantly be in agreement I think that is naive.

I stopped ESPN+

I see possibly signing up again for College Football.

September, October and November.

(03-31-2020 04:40 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 04:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:52 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  reminds me to cancel my annual subscription to them.. I subscribe for it's boxing shows.

I sign up for and drop DAZN all the time depending on boxing. E.g., a few months ago they had some fight I wanted to see - maybe it was a Tyson Fury fight or Joshua vs Ruiz II - so i paid the $25 for the month to see the fight, then canceled before my month was up.

I've never viewed DAZN as being worth anywhere near $25 a month on an ongoing basis like i do Netflix or even ESPN+ for their amounts.

Yeah, that’s why you can sign up for $100 for a whole year, instead of $20 each month you want to see something

I was one of the very first DAZN subscribers in the US so I've kept a legacy rate of 9.99 per month for the year following the price increase to 19.99. I will have to make a decision next month either to move to the 19.99, pick up a full year subscription for $100 (8.20 a month) or cancel all together. It might make sense just to cancel and resubscribe for a year once things pick back up.

DAZN from what I understand may be out of cash. Prior to COVID-19 outbreak many investors were not happy with US subscriber numbers which are only 800,000 (though global is 8,000,000).

Quote:Within this environment, DAZN isn't getting enough subscribers. Its sales pitch is simple: If a boxing fan is willing to spent $79.95 for one pay-per-view fight, he or she should be willing to spend $19.99 for a full month or, better yet, $99.99 for a full year of DAZN.

One industry source says that an early DAZN financial model anticipated that the streaming service could have as many as 3.5 million subscribers in the United States by the end of 2019. Another well-placed source says that DAZN now has roughly eight million subscribers worldwide and approximately 800,000 of these are in the United States.

This 800,000 number is less than the estimated number of buys engendered by HBO Pay-Per-View for Canelo-Golovkin I (1,300,000), Canelo-Golovkin II (1,000,000), and Canelo-Cotto (900,000).

Also, the 800,000 subscribers number reflects a significant bump that came about as a consequence of DAZN's costly, high profile, end of year schedule. DAZN is starting off 2020 with less of a bang. And the network's retention rate among subscribers has been less than desired.

https://www.boxingscene.com/whats-happen...wo--145695

These niche streaming services are experiencing the same thing many conference digital networks ran into when trying to get people to pay for extra content via streaming

(04-01-2020 10:54 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I stopped ESPN+

I see possibly signing up again for College Football.

September, October and November.

I understand that, there's basically zero on ESPN+ right now and won't be for months.

I'm going to keep paying for ESPN+ because I can afford it (my paycheck hasn't been affected so far), and I want to help the economy. If my situation changes, then that will change, LOL.

You can bet language will be put into future contracts, if not already, to cover things like this. Might be a sticking point for some. Hopefully this is the last pandemic, but who knows.

(03-31-2020 04:18 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  My year will end in early May. Already cancelled. No reason to watch if there’s no MLB change up or boxing.

Boxing to me is a lot like music. Once you get into following a fighter you become curious about the back catalog of fights to see how those went.

Therefore it adapts better to on demand than say MLB where once you've watched a game once there isn't much incentive to go back and watch a game earlier in the season.

If you go with Showtime you can do both movies and boxing content for 9.99. DAZN as sports only can't compete with streaming of series and movies.

(04-01-2020 11:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-01-2020 10:54 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I stopped ESPN+

I see possibly signing up again for College Football.

September, October and November.

I understand that, there's basically zero on ESPN+ right now and won't be for months.

I'm going to keep paying for ESPN+ because I can afford it (my paycheck hasn't been affected so far), and I want to help the economy. If my situation changes, then that will change, LOL.

I bought a year and already paid for my MLB.tv. I’m hoping both will make things right. I’m not going to hold my breath.