(04-12-2020 04:52 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 04:08 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 03:19 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  For football UConn is no longer a member of the AAC and officially will be out this summer, but with covid 19 is effectively no longer a member. The AAC has 7/11 teams represented.

I count 8 from the OP. So, I guess 8 out of 11 current members. What’s more relevant would be how many have done it while in the AAC. Off the top of my head, I think everybody listed, but Tulsa. Pretty impressive range in a short period of time.

Since the inception of the American in 2013, six teams ranked in the Final AP...

4x Central Florida
3x Memphis
2x Cincinnati
2x Navy
2x South Florida
1x Houston

Thx for taking the time to look it up...nice east/west distribution.

(04-12-2020 02:49 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:42 PM)colohank Wrote:  How would Cincy have ranked if not burdened by four years of Tuberville? There should at least be an asterisk denoting that handicap.

No more than Clemson after ten years of Tommy Bowden prior to Sweeney.

Fair enough. No doubt there are others.

(04-12-2020 07:50 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:49 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:42 PM)colohank Wrote:  How would Cincy have ranked if not burdened by four years of Tuberville? There should at least be an asterisk denoting that handicap.

No more than Clemson after ten years of Tommy Bowden prior to Sweeney.

Fair enough. No doubt there are others.

Bob Davie, Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis (with special mention to George O'Leary) say hi.

(04-12-2020 08:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 07:50 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:49 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:42 PM)colohank Wrote:  How would Cincy have ranked if not burdened by four years of Tuberville? There should at least be an asterisk denoting that handicap.

No more than Clemson after ten years of Tommy Bowden prior to Sweeney.

Fair enough. No doubt there are others.

Bob Davie, Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis (with special mention to George O'Leary) say hi.

Man, Davie and Willingham were clunkers. How about Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley and Butch Jones in Knoxville? John Cooper at Ohio State - 13 years. Rich Rod, Brady Hoke and Jim Harbaugh at Meechigan - zero natty's, zero conference chips, one (1) major bowl win (Sugar), overall bowl record 2-7.

(04-12-2020 05:29 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 03:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  NC State should have 16 instead of 4 points on your scale.

2002 Finished 12th
2010 Finished 25th
2017 Finished 23rd

That 2002 team led by Philip Rivers was really good. Best team in the ACC that year, in my opinion, even though they finished second. They were the only team with 10 wins, which was State's only 10 win season ever.

State had a lot of good teams that ended up with 7 or 8 wins. They were one of the few teams who seemed to be able to beat FSU in the early years of their time in the ACC. But they would still end up with 7 or 8 wins.

(04-12-2020 08:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 07:50 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:49 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:42 PM)colohank Wrote:  How would Cincy have ranked if not burdened by four years of Tuberville? There should at least be an asterisk denoting that handicap.

No more than Clemson after ten years of Tommy Bowden prior to Sweeney.

Fair enough. No doubt there are others.

Bob Davie, Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis (with special mention to George O'Leary) say hi.

They were all ok. Now that high school coach you had, Gerry Faust?

(04-12-2020 09:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 08:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 07:50 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:49 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:42 PM)colohank Wrote:  How would Cincy have ranked if not burdened by four years of Tuberville? There should at least be an asterisk denoting that handicap.

No more than Clemson after ten years of Tommy Bowden prior to Sweeney.

Fair enough. No doubt there are others.

Bob Davie, Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis (with special mention to George O'Leary) say hi.

Man, Davie and Willingham were clunkers. How about Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley and Butch Jones in Knoxville? John Cooper at Ohio State - 13 years. Rich Rod, Brady Hoke and Jim Harbaugh at Meechigan - zero natty's, zero conference chips, one (1) major bowl win (Sugar), overall bowl record 2-7.

Cooper didn't win Natty's or Bowl games, but he won like 90% of his games. Not quite comparable to some of the other names on the list.

(04-13-2020 07:23 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 09:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 08:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 07:50 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 02:49 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  No more than Clemson after ten years of Tommy Bowden prior to Sweeney.

Fair enough. No doubt there are others.

Bob Davie, Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis (with special mention to George O'Leary) say hi.

Man, Davie and Willingham were clunkers. How about Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley and Butch Jones in Knoxville? John Cooper at Ohio State - 13 years. Rich Rod, Brady Hoke and Jim Harbaugh at Meechigan - zero natty's, zero conference chips, one (1) major bowl win (Sugar), overall bowl record 2-7.

Cooper didn't win Natty's or Bowl games, but he won like 90% of his games. Not quite comparable to some of the other names on the list.

True, but he went 2-10-1 against Michigan I believe. Compare him to Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer. No comparison.

Note: schedule updated-see original post

FYI by decade
Team 2010-19
1 Alabama 223
2 Ohio State 192
3 Clemson 168
4 Oklahoma 167
5 LSU 142
6 Oregon 138
7 Stanford 118
8 Georgia 109.5
9 Wisconsin 108
10 Florida State 102
10 Michigan State 102
12 TCU 95
13 Notre Dame 93
14 Auburn 83
15 Oklahoma State 78
16 Baylor 71
17 USC 70
18 Florida 68.5
19 Michigan 66
20 Boise State 63
20 Penn State 63
22 South Carolina 61
23 Central Florida 58
24 Washington 46
25 Texas A&M 45
26 Missouri 42
27 Arkansas 35
28 Kansas State 33
28 Mississippi State 33
30 Louisville 31
31 Iowa 29
32 Utah 27
33 Virginia Tech 27
34 Houston 26
34 Northwestern 26
34 UCLA 26
37 Ole Miss 25
37 Texas 25
39 West Virginia 23
40 Arizona State 19
40 Miami FL 19
42 Georgia Tech 18
43 Minnesota 16
43 Washington St. 16
45 Nevada 15
46 Kentucky 14
46 Navy 14
46 Utah State 14
49 South Florida 12
50 Memphis 11
50 North Carolina 11
50 Syracuse 11
50 Western Michigan 11
54 Colorado 9
54 Nebraska 9
56 Cincinnati 8
56 Fresno 8
56 Tennessee 8
59 Appalachian St. 7
59 Arizona 7
59 Army 7
62 Oregon State 6
62 Southern Miss 6
64 San Jose State 5
64 Vanderbilt 5
66 Air Force 4
66 N.C. State 4
66 Northern Illinois 4
69 Duke 3
69 Marshall 3
69 Maryland 3
72 Tulsa 2
72 Western Kentucky 2
74 San Diego State 1

Team 2000-09
1 Texas 189.5
2 Oklahoma 170
3 USC 168
4 Ohio State 158
5 Florida 140.5
6 LSU 134
7 Georgia 127
8 Miami FL 125
9 Virginia Tech 122
10 Michigan 96
11 Boise State 93
12 Oregon 90.5
13 Auburn 84
14 Iowa 79
15 Alabama 78
16 Florida State 73
17 Penn State 70
18 TCU 67
19 West Virginia 62
20 Tennessee 61
21 Utah 59
22 Nebraska 57
23 Louisville 56
24 Wisconsin 54
25 Washington St. 49
26 Kansas State 48
27 Notre Dame 46
28 Boston College 39.5
29 Brigham Young 38
30 Maryland 37
30 Texas Tech 37
32 Cincinnati 36
33 Oregon State 34
34 Ole Miss 31
35 Washington 30
35 California 30
37 Missouri 29
38 Georgia Tech 28
39 Clemson 26
40 Colorado 23
41 Purdue 21
42 South Carolina 20
42 Illinois 20
44 Kansas 19
44 Pitt 19
46 Arizona State 17
47 Miami, O. 16
48 N.C. State 14
48 Rutgers 14
50 Syracuse 12
50 Colorado St. 12
52 Arkansas 11
53 Stanford 10
53 Oklahoma State 10
53 UCLA 10
56 Wake Forest 8
57 Hawaii 7
57 Virginia 7
59 Minnesota 6
60 Fresno 4
61 Bowling Green 3
61 Central Michigan 3
61 Toledo 3
64 Michigan State 2
64 Mississippi State 2
64 Navy 2
64 Marshall 2
68 Iowa St. 1

Interestingly, the 2009 title game was between Texas, the top team of the 00s and Alabama, the top team of the teens. Meanwhile, Ohio St. and Oklahoma flipped places, OU 2nd in the noughts, Ohio St. 4th in the noughts and then the reverse in the teens.

Oklahoma, Ohio St., LSU and Georgia were the only schools in the top 10 in both decades.

Great work, bullet. Thanks for posting.

On a related note, I would like to know how many times a program has been in the final rankings (in addition to the "points" the programs have amassed). For example, FSU and MSU are tied at 10th with 102 points from 2010 to 2019. How many times was each of the two ranked at the end of the season during that time span (not asking you to take the time to compile, bullet; just curious)? So, and for that time period .. if FSU was ranked, say, all 10 times and MSU was ranked, say, only six times ... FSU had (on paper) the "better" decade of the two (despite both having 102 points in rankings).

So this is cumulative final ranking at the end of the seasons. So 2000 would be for the 1999 season. If not, the first season of the BCS era was 1999. VT played FSU in the 2000 sugar bowl for the National Championship.

Amazing how runs of excellence (or mediocrity) sometimes coincide with decades. Texas is #1 in the nougats, but #37 in the teens. It was the same program, even the same coach for half the decade of the teens. Alabama experienced the same issue, but in opposite decades.

(05-01-2020 08:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  Oklahoma, Ohio St., LSU and Georgia were the only schools in the top 10 in both decades.

This is evidence of the profound impact that Saban had on LSU. He not only won during the five seasons he was there, he created foundational improvements in the program that have carried over to this day.

He may be Public Enemy #1 of almost 15 year's standing with LSU fans for leaving for the Dolphins and then returning for Alabama, but if anyone every deserved a statue outside Tiger Stadium, it's Saban. I know for sure that a similar list of the 1990s wouldn't have LSU anywhere near the Top 10.

(05-02-2020 02:08 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  So this is cumulative final ranking at the end of the seasons. So 2000 would be for the 1999 season. If not, the first season of the BCS era was 1999. VT played FSU in the 2000 sugar bowl for the National Championship.

2000 is the 2000 regular season which had bowls January 1, 2001. So I added 2010-2019, 2000-2009 and separately added 1998 and 1999 to get the cumulative total.

(04-12-2020 01:27 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Boise being #16 in the last 22 years is a college football miracle. 22 years before that, they were a junior college.

Boise's winning success started when they were in the Big West, then to the WAC, and then to the MWC.

Top 5 finishes 1968 to present. I've previously posted how dominant 20 programs have been (the 17 with AP MNCs + Oregon, Washington and Georgia) since 1984 when BYU won the title. I extended it back to 1968. 1968 was when the AP started regularly listing a top 20 (prior to that it was sometimes just top 10). It also happens to be the first year I really remember the college football season. This list shows the 9 bluebloods + the 3 Florida newcomers as the clear top 12. Even more so when you exclude the last 4 years. The 4 SEC members of the middle class-UGA, Tennessee, LSU and Auburn were basically tied prior to the last 4 years just behind the top 12. Clemson has moved their way into that group.

The 20 programs (Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, Miami, Florida St., Clemson, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio ST., Penn ST., Texas, Oklahoma, USC, Washington, Oregon, Colorado) have won 50 of the 52 AP titles. BYU and Pitt are the only exceptions. The top 12 are only schools with more than 8 top 5 finishes. The 20 are the only schools with more than 3 top 5 finishes (all have at least 5). In addition to all but two of the top spots, they have all but 7 of the 2nd place finishes (TCU, Virginia Tech, Utah, Arizona St., Pitt, SMU and Georgia Tech the exceptions-GT was coaches MNC that year) and all but 5 of the 3rd place (TCU, Stanford, Michigan St., Oklahoma St., Arkansas). They combine for 39 of the 52 4th and 5th place finishes. So they have 220 of the 260 top 5 finishes. The top 12 alone have 172.

Below is the list and the list without 2016-2019. (formats better on my screen than when I post--first column after the school is the number of top 5 finishes over the 52 years 1968-2019; 2nd in points counting 1st as 5, 2nd as 4, etc.; 3rd is # of MNCs; 4th is top 5 1968-2015, 5th is points 1968-2015 and 6ths is MNCs 1968-2015.

top 5 places
points(5-4-3-2-1)
MNCs excluding 2016-2019
top5 pts MNCs
1 OSU 22 59 3 19 52 3
2 OU 21 62 4 18 56 4
3 AL 18 64 8 15 51 7
4 FSU 16 48 3 16 48 3
5 USC 15 53 3 14 50 3
6 PSU 13 39 2 13 39 2
7 Miami 12 48 5 12 48 5
8 NE 12 42 4 12 42 4
9 TX 12 34 2 12 34 2
10 ND 11 34 3 10 33 3
11 FL 11 33 3 11 33 3
12 UM 9 22 1 9 22 1
13 GA 8 23 1 6 17 1
14 Clemson 6 25 3 2 9 1
15 LSU 6 22 2 5 17 1
16 AU 6 19 1 6 19 1
17 OR 6 18 0 5 17 0
18 TN 6 15 1 6 15 1
19 CO 5 14 1 5 14 1
20 WA 5 14 0 4 12 0
21 Pitt 3 11 1 3 11 1
22 AZ St. 3 8 0 3 8 0
23 UCLA 3 3 0 3 3 0
24 TCU 2 7 0 2 7 0
25 UT 2 6 0 2 6 0
26 BYU 2 6 1 2 6 1
27 Stanford 2 5 0 2 5 0
28 SMU 2 5 0 2 5 0
29 Michigan St. 2 4 0 2 4 0
30 Arkansas 2 4 0 2 4 0
31 Boise 2 3 0 2 3 0
32 MO 2 3 0 2 3 0
33 Houston 2 3 0 2 3 0
34 WV 2 2 0 2 2 0
35 VT 1 4 0 1 4 0
36 GT 1 4 0 1 4 0
37 Ok. St. 1 3 0 1 3 0
38 OR St. 1 2 0 1 2 0
39 AZ 1 2 0 1 2 0
40 WI 1 2 0 1 2 0
41 South Carolina 1 2 0 1 2 0
42 Syr 1 2 0 1 2 0
43 Boston College 1 1 0 1 1 0