Fans actually matter as you need the eyeballs and butts in the seats in the future as streaming is going to actually count who all is watching games. To get the most fans and audience you need regional games with large fan support. So, what about a mid-atlantic/southeastern coast conference with some of the largest and better performing schools in the G5.

BIG ATLANTIC
NORTH (ENROLLMENT*)
Cincinnati 46,000
Temple 40,000
Liberty 50,000
Old Dominion 25,000
Appalachian St 19,100
East Carolina 29,100

SOUTH
Charlotte 29,700
Georgia State 52,800
Georgia Southern 26,400
UAB 21,900
UCF 68,600
South Florida 50,700


This would be a very good basketball conference outside of Georgia Southern, ECU, and App State but you always need cupcakes in the conference. Add VCU and Dayton as non-football schools for 14 total basketball teams and you have a very good regional conference with large fan bases and mostly very large schools in a growing area of the country.

Travel would be very easy in this conference. A lot of built in rivalries with Cincinnati vs. Dayton, USF vs. UCF, App vs. Char, ECU vs App, ODU vs ECU, ODU vs VCU, ODU vs. Liberty, GA ST vs GA SO. The regional conference would allow for more fans in the stands as they would know the team they are playing. Thanksgiving games could consist of:
Liberty vs. Old Dominion
App State vs. ECU
Ga State vs. Georgia Southern
Cincinnati vs. Temple
UCF vs. USF
UAB vs. Charlotte
*Enrollment is probably a few years old as it is off of FBS Wiki Page

Hate to admit it but GS is actually pretty solid at bball.

Dayton's not joining. VCU would be slim.

I feel ya, CLC. But I have a slew of Cincy alumni in my family and that league would be a hard pass for them. As a Liberty alum, it looks awesome.

FAU has an enrollment of around 30K
FIU is at 58K

While a nice looking conference, that group is not the 12 largest G5s along the Eastern Seaboard.

LOL....why not base it on actual attendance? They can have all the students they want, but it doesn't matter if they dont care.

(04-23-2020 02:43 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Dayton's not joining. VCU would be slim.

VCU might if Dayton joins, or if Dayton/St. Louis leave and the A10 is a 1-2 bid league instead of a 2-4 bid one. Cincy/Dayton/Temple would be attractive, ODU's a rival and if one or two of the southern programs develops, it could be workable for them. Dayton might still be holding out hope for the Big East, but if St. Louis takes a theoretical 12th spot, and the AAC is breaking up, this might be workable for them too.

Wonder if Memphis would be in consideration? They're at 22K enrollment and close enough to Cincy, Dayton and UAB to be not an egregious expansion of the footprint.

No thanks.

(04-23-2020 02:09 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Fans actually matter as you need the eyeballs and butts in the seats in the future as streaming is going to actually count who all is watching games. To get the most fans and audience you need regional games with large fan support. So, what about a mid-atlantic/southeastern coast conference with some of the largest and better performing schools in the G5.

BIG ATLANTIC
NORTH (ENROLLMENT*)
Cincinnati 46,000
Temple 40,000
Liberty 50,000
Old Dominion 25,000
Appalachian St 19,100
East Carolina 29,100

SOUTH
Charlotte 29,700
Georgia State 52,800
Georgia Southern 26,400
UAB 21,900
UCF 68,600
South Florida 50,700


This would be a very good basketball conference outside of Georgia Southern, ECU, and App State but you always need cupcakes in the conference. Add VCU and Dayton as non-football schools for 14 total basketball teams and you have a very good regional conference with large fan bases and mostly very large schools in a growing area of the country.

Travel would be very easy in this conference. A lot of built in rivalries with Cincinnati vs. Dayton, USF vs. UCF, App vs. Char, ECU vs App, ODU vs ECU, ODU vs VCU, ODU vs. Liberty, GA ST vs GA SO. The regional conference would allow for more fans in the stands as they would know the team they are playing. Thanksgiving games could consist of:
Liberty vs. Old Dominion
App State vs. ECU
Ga State vs. Georgia Southern
Cincinnati vs. Temple
UCF vs. USF
UAB vs. Charlotte
*Enrollment is probably a few years old as it is off of FBS Wiki Page

No thanks.

Liberty doesn’t have 50,000 students that can attend games. That’s somewhere more like 12,000.

(04-23-2020 02:09 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Fans actually matter as you need the eyeballs and butts in the seats in the future as streaming is going to actually count who all is watching games. To get the most fans and audience you need regional games with large fan support. So, what about a mid-atlantic/southeastern coast conference with some of the largest and better performing schools in the G5.

BIG ATLANTIC
NORTH (ENROLLMENT*)
Cincinnati 46,000
Temple 40,000
Liberty 50,000
Old Dominion 25,000
Appalachian St 19,100
East Carolina 29,100

SOUTH
Charlotte 29,700
Georgia State 52,800
Georgia Southern 26,400
UAB 21,900
UCF 68,600
South Florida 50,700


This would be a very good basketball conference outside of Georgia Southern, ECU, and App State but you always need cupcakes in the conference. Add VCU and Dayton as non-football schools for 14 total basketball teams and you have a very good regional conference with large fan bases and mostly very large schools in a growing area of the country.

Travel would be very easy in this conference. A lot of built in rivalries with Cincinnati vs. Dayton, USF vs. UCF, App vs. Char, ECU vs App, ODU vs ECU, ODU vs VCU, ODU vs. Liberty, GA ST vs GA SO. The regional conference would allow for more fans in the stands as they would know the team they are playing. Thanksgiving games could consist of:
Liberty vs. Old Dominion
App State vs. ECU
Ga State vs. Georgia Southern
Cincinnati vs. Temple
UCF vs. USF
UAB vs. Charlotte
*Enrollment is probably a few years old as it is off of FBS Wiki Page

Cincinnati would NEVER join your proposed conference. In fact none of North teams except Temple would be welcome by the Bearcats. It would be far to much of a step down in status.

I would leave the AAC schools out of it as they are already head and sholders above the rest.

But running with the concept with a slightly different lineup.

Massachusetts 30,593
Buffalo 31,923
Kent St 35,883
Ohio 33,044
ODU 25,000
Charlotte 29,710
Georgia St 52,814
Florida Atlantic 30,808
Florida International 58,757

That would give you 9 in FB. Add to this Dayton and VCU in basketball for 11.

(04-23-2020 04:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 02:09 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Fans actually matter as you need the eyeballs and butts in the seats in the future as streaming is going to actually count who all is watching games. To get the most fans and audience you need regional games with large fan support. So, what about a mid-atlantic/southeastern coast conference with some of the largest and better performing schools in the G5.

BIG ATLANTIC
NORTH (ENROLLMENT*)
Cincinnati 46,000
Temple 40,000
Liberty 50,000
Old Dominion 25,000
Appalachian St 19,100
East Carolina 29,100

SOUTH
Charlotte 29,700
Georgia State 52,800
Georgia Southern 26,400
UAB 21,900
UCF 68,600
South Florida 50,700


This would be a very good basketball conference outside of Georgia Southern, ECU, and App State but you always need cupcakes in the conference. Add VCU and Dayton as non-football schools for 14 total basketball teams and you have a very good regional conference with large fan bases and mostly very large schools in a growing area of the country.

Travel would be very easy in this conference. A lot of built in rivalries with Cincinnati vs. Dayton, USF vs. UCF, App vs. Char, ECU vs App, ODU vs ECU, ODU vs VCU, ODU vs. Liberty, GA ST vs GA SO. The regional conference would allow for more fans in the stands as they would know the team they are playing. Thanksgiving games could consist of:
Liberty vs. Old Dominion
App State vs. ECU
Ga State vs. Georgia Southern
Cincinnati vs. Temple
UCF vs. USF
UAB vs. Charlotte
*Enrollment is probably a few years old as it is off of FBS Wiki Page

No thanks.

Yeah hard pass. This might work for SBC, MAC and CUSA though.

(04-23-2020 06:52 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I would leave the AAC schools out of it as they are already head and sholders above the rest.

But running with the concept with a slightly different lineup.

Massachusetts 30,593
Buffalo 31,923
Kent St 35,883
Ohio 33,044
ODU 25,000
Charlotte 29,710
Georgia St 52,814
Florida Atlantic 30,808
Florida International 58,757

That would give you 9 in FB. Add to this Dayton and VCU in basketball for 11.

I think the Ohio U figure includes all the branch campuses? I think OU has a lot of two year colleges located around Ohio, correct me if I am wrong.

"OU reported its total enrollment was 32,637 students as of the 15th day of the 2019 fall semester this year, compared to 34,443 students as of the same time in fall semester 2019. The Athens campus total (including undergraduate, graduate and medical students) this fall semester is 19,856 students, down from 20,815 students last fall semester. This is the first enrollment number below 20,000 on the Athens campus since the 2005-06 year when it was 19,877. (For the historical record, see this chart on OU's website.)"

https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/o...98596.html

(04-23-2020 06:52 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I would leave the AAC schools out of it as they are already head and sholders above the rest.

But running with the concept with a slightly different lineup.

Massachusetts 30,593
Buffalo 31,923
Kent St 35,883
Ohio 33,044
ODU 25,000
Charlotte 29,710
Georgia St 52,814
Florida Atlantic 30,808
Florida International 58,757

That would give you 9 in FB. Add to this Dayton and VCU in basketball for 11.

Temple (29,484) for Kent, Liberty (50,000) for Ohio and UCONN (32,257 football) George Mason (26,192) & VCU. (All teams eastern time zone).

(04-23-2020 07:05 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 06:52 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I would leave the AAC schools out of it as they are already head and sholders above the rest.

But running with the concept with a slightly different lineup.

Massachusetts 30,593
Buffalo 31,923
Kent St 35,883
Ohio 33,044
ODU 25,000
Charlotte 29,710
Georgia St 52,814
Florida Atlantic 30,808
Florida International 58,757

That would give you 9 in FB. Add to this Dayton and VCU in basketball for 11.

Temple for Kent, Liberty for Ohio and George Mason & VCU.

Any reasons for subbing out the Ohio schools?

Nobody wants anything to do with Liberty. Replace Liberty with either UMass, UConn, Buffalo, Ohio U., Toledo or you can grab an up and coming school in Stony Brook who have been strong in football, men's basketball and baseball. Slide them in somewhere with the FBS schools, you could see them grow stronger by recruiting better players.

(04-23-2020 06:52 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I would leave the AAC schools out of it as they are already head and sholders above the rest.

But running with the concept with a slightly different lineup.

Massachusetts 30,593
Buffalo 31,923
Kent St 35,883
Ohio 33,044
ODU 25,000
Charlotte 29,710
Georgia St 52,814
Florida Atlantic 30,808
Florida International 58,757

That would give you 9 in FB. Add to this Dayton and VCU in basketball for 11.

Dayton and VCU wouldn’t even pick up the phone.

(04-23-2020 07:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Nobody wants anything to do with Liberty. Replace Liberty with either UMass, UConn, Buffalo, Ohio U., Toledo or you can grab an up and coming school in Stony Brook who have been strong in football, men's basketball and baseball. Slide them in somewhere with the FBS schools, you could see them grow stronger by recruiting better players.

Only God knows what everybody wants. And I am somebody and I want them. The only nobody Must be you.

I COMPLETELY understand why people are reticent to associate with Liberty. You may be okay with them, but not everyone is.