OP doesn't make any sense, seemingly picking G5 teams at random. Are the ones left out demoted to FCS?

Hey dude look I get it.you guys deserve better.i root for odu and you guys are clearly better.you can do it anyway you want.i just went by market size.just wanting to have conferences I could have regional rivals.no offense.[/size]

(05-10-2020 12:38 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  OP doesn't make any sense, seemingly picking G5 teams at random. Are the ones left out demoted to FCS?

This is because P5 football doesn't follow the population footprint cleanly.

Florida is P5 poor relative to its population and production of talent. It should probably have 4-5 P5 teams like CA and TX.

The entire Northeast corridor is very P5 poor relative to its population but not its fandom and production of talent. The Arizona Sun Corridor is entirely in one state, and it implies strongly AZ is going to become increasingly "P5 poor".

The value of the exercise isn't in the literal results but in the disconnects it highlights between our economic and population reality and our CFB reality. The fundamentals will push and drag on CFB if the two aren't aligned. Based on the economics of megaregions for instance, it's pretty easy to make a long term case particularly for UNLV and Nevada in the Pac-12.

(05-10-2020 09:07 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 12:38 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  OP doesn't make any sense, seemingly picking G5 teams at random. Are the ones left out demoted to FCS?

This is because P5 football doesn't follow the population footprint cleanly.

Florida is P5 poor relative to its population and production of talent. It should probably have 4-5 P5 teams like CA and TX.

The entire Northeast corridor is very P5 poor relative to its population but not its fandom and production of talent. The Arizona Sun Corridor is entirely in one state, and it implies strongly AZ is going to become increasingly "P5 poor".

The value of the exercise isn't in the literal results but in the disconnects it highlights between our economic and population reality and our CFB reality. The fundamentals will push and drag on CFB if the two aren't aligned. Based on the economics of megaregions for instance, it's pretty easy to make a long term case particularly for UNLV and Nevada in the Pac-12.

Demographics and culture move fast, but never underestimate the economic and political inertia that keeps university evolution slow (in general and athletically). When looking at Florida in 2020 it's obvious that as the third largest state in the US they could support more P5 colleges, but it makes sense that things are the way they are when you consider that Florida was smaller than Kentucky in 1950 with schools like UCF and USF years away from even being chartered. On paper a state like Ohio (with one P5 school for a state of 11.5 million people) should have way more while one could argue that Kansas (which is smaller now than Ohio in 1880 and has two P5 schools for a state of 2.8 million, while larger states like Connecticut have none) shouldn't have any based on numbers alone. I guess you can never write off the power of weird politics and history.

(05-10-2020 11:08 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  Ok,did not know my old English teacher was here.All seriousness do you like the concept?Or are you here for grammar and superiority complexes?

Grammar has zero to due with this. It has to do with my mothafuckin eyes, my mothafuckin eyes... stop screaming at me dammit!!!!!!

(05-09-2020 05:32 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  Ok,I was in a hurry.My bad.I will clean it up.im sorry.Here goes.65 p5 schools,11 AAC schools and 12 mountain west schools get in which make 88,add 2 from MAC,2 from CUSA,2 from sun belt and 2 indys,plus 2 non football schools to make 8 conferences.
BIG EAST
BOSTON COLLEGE
SYRACUSE
ARMY(VILLANOVA*)
BUFFALO
PITT
PENN STATE
TEMPLE
RUTGERS
NAVY(GEORGETOWN*)
MARYLAND
VIRGINIA
WEST VIRGINIA
ST.JOHNS*
CONNECTICUT *

ACC
VIRGINIA TECH
OLD DOMINION
TENNESSEE
CHARLOTTE
APPALACHAIN ST
NORTH CAROLINA
NORTH CAROLINA STATE
DUKE
WAKE FOREST
EAST CAROLINA
CLEMSON
SOUTH CAROLINA
VCU*
DAVIDSON *

SEC
GEORGIA
GEORGIA TECH
FLORIDA
FLORIDA STATE
MIAMI
CENTRAL FLORIDA
SOUTH FLORIDA
ALABAMA
AUBURN
MISSISSIPPI
MISSISSIPPI STATE
MEMPHIS
UAB*
COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON*

BIG TEN
VANDERBILT
KENTUCKY
LOUISVILLE
OHIO STATE
CINCINNATI
INDIANA
PURDUE
NOTRE DAME
MICHIGAN
MICHIGAN STATE
NORTHWESTERN <Wisconson>
%NORTHERN ILLINOIS% <Marshall>
XAVIER*
BUTLER*

BIG TWELVE
ILLINOIS
WISCONSIN <NorthWlwestern>
MINNESOTA
IOWA
IOWA STATE
MISSOURI
NEBRASKA
KANSAS
KANSAS STATE
WYOMING
COLORADO <NDSU>
AIR FORCE
CREIGHTON* <St.Louis*>
MARQUETTE*

SWC
OKLAHOMA
OKLAHOMA STATE
TULSA
ARKANSAS
%ARKANSAS STATE% <TCU>
LSU
TULANE
TEXAS A&M
TEXAS
HOUSTON
BAYLOR
SMU
WICHITA STATE*
ST LOUIS* <Creighton*>

PAC 12 <Mountain West>
TEXAS TECH
TCU <%UTEP%>
NEW MEXICO
COLORADO STATE
BYU
UNLV
ARIZONA <Boise St>
ARIZONA STATE <Washington St>
USC<Nevada>
UCLA<Utah>
SAN DIEGO STATE<Utah St>
%HAWAII(PEPPERDINE*)% <%Colorado%>
ST MARY'S* <Gonzaga*>
NEW MEXICO STATE*

MOUNTAIN WEST <PAC 12>
UTAH <UCLA>
UTAH STATE <SDSU>
NEVADA<USC>
BOISE STATE <Arizona>
WASHINGTON
WASHINGTON STATE<Arizona St>
OREGON
OREGON STATE
STANFORD
CALIFORNIA
FRESNO STATE
SAN JOSE STATE
GONZAGA* <St. Mary's*>
SAN FRANCISCO*

OK,I hope this was better.I like the regions and matchups and great markets.In football,each conference gets a champion and then have a playoff.All FCS schools not in here can join the elite of FCS and have very strong division 2.Now that I cleaned it up,what do you think?

That's not bad. Needs a couple tweaks.

UNI drops out for Marshall and Wisconson and Northwestern flip.

Flip Creighton and St. Louis. Creighton has history with Tulsa and Wichita St., St. Louis fits better with Illonois and Missouri.

Drop Arkansas St, move TCU to that spot which is where they belong and then insert UTEP who has more history in FBS and a national championship in basketball over Arkansas St. UTEP fits even better than TCU does with Texas Tech, New Mexico, New Mexico St, and most of the old WAC, MWC teams like BYU and UNLV.

Some swapping has to go on for the MW and PAC and getting them the right names, then drop Hawaii for Colorado.

There we go. Washington St and Gonzaga are on the opposite side of Cascadia and actually are similar to Boise St in culture and economic relationships
Washington belongs with Oregon, Oregon St. and the Cali group. The Arizonas fit better with the PAC with a recent long history out weighing the old ties to Colorado and the Utah schools. The Nevada schools, BYU, Utah and Utah St end up together to keep the interstate rivalries and geography.

Edit didn't see Colorado so gonna be bold, move NDSU into that spot for Hawaii. They fit the high plains of the big 12 and get the call up because of geography.