(07-05-2020 05:17 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  White supremacy is the follow up to playing race card. If you play your race card and it doesn’t get you what you want, you use the white supremacy excuse that’s used then followed closely with accusations that you’re a racist for not giving someone their way.

Before I retired I was accused of being a racist by a guy that I wrote up, after warning him, for sexually harassing women. In over 35 years of manufacturing management the only time I was ever accused of be racist.

The guy I wrote up was Hispanic.

He said “Jim you don’t like me because I’m a Mexican American.“ I replied to him, “No Ray I don’t like you because you’re a F’kn azzhole.” He quit that afternoon.

I have never acknowledged race as an excuse or an impairment to getting the job done. I see playing the race card / white supremacy BS as a tool of the weak mind.

That's a solid explanation at the micro level of experiencing it. I tried to give the macro level which says don't blame the middle class, they don't have that much power and little more privilege than the poor.

Clearly the poor and weak minded are being manipulated by corporate elites threatened by the fact that Trump considers the country before their interests. So they try to terrify the middle class by using the militant among the poor.

https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-white-supremacy/

This site puts it a lot better than I could. It's a little wordy, but it's closer to what I'm seeing on the ground. Keep in mind these people never follow dictionary definitions of things, they instead try to redefine words and phrases so they can attach the feelings they invoke to the point they're trying to get across. It's a truly devious tactic, basically the inverse of what Orwell warned about in 1984.

This quote sticks out:

Quote:White supremacy, in common parlance, refers to the belief that there is something about being white that renders people intrinsically superior to those of other races (and, in the extreme, that this is necessarily actionable). Under Theory, especially critical race Theory, white supremacy typically means something entirely different. In Social Justice, then, “white supremacy” is the name given to the “racist” system, an attitude of “support” for that system, being comfortable in that system (see also, white comfort, white equilibrium, white innocence, and white ignorance), or witting or unwitting complicity with that system (see also, white complicity). Complicity in this sense is usually taken to mean anything short of actively fighting against systemic racism as prescribed by critical race Theory. Thus, a white supremacist is anyone who is not actively antiracist, according to the critical definition of antiracism, which is to say anyone who is not sufficiently woke with respect to race (especially if that person is also white).

Being white, of course. You can dive deeper looking for explanations and detailed descriptions but at it's core it comes to just two words; being white. But you gotta be 100% white or very close to it. Being only half white disqualifies you as in the case of good old Barry Sortero and Colin Caperdick.

(07-05-2020 04:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-05-2020 04:12 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Interesting too that only blacks talk about it.

Not surprising at all. It goes by another name among whites. Class Supremacy.

For the middle class there is no real avenue to becoming a billionaire. The tax system is against it, it's damned tough to defend you patents against multi-billion dollar corporations who can simply steal them and tie you up in court until you are broke.

From the vantage point of a retired white person (though I truly have Native American heritage) what African Americans see as white privilege was not what was created by the middle class, but rather what the ultra wealthy permitted the middle class to have in order to stave off our revolution against them.

If I was going to offer a suggestion to African Americans it's that they are aiming at the wrong whites. Those Corporations that sponsor this mess, who have CEO's who live in gated and guarded compounds, and who have mansions all over the world with similar arrangements, those are the designers of what is called White Supremacy which is really a dummy target set up to keep the true poor from turning on them.

I wonder if every poor person was given a middle class home and middle class property if they would really feel free. We don't! Pay off your house and the government can still take it if you can't afford the property taxes that they raise every year. Try to get you kid, smart as they may be, into a posh Ivy League school and see how rigid the class prejudice really is, and if like a close relative of mine they actually get in they are treated like the kitchen help because by clothing, transportation, and clubs they can access everyone knows them to just be bright pretenders merely sampling what the others will own.

There is very little distance between poverty and the middle class and those who apply their education and bust their butts can cross that barrier. But crossing from the middle class into the truly upper class is nearly impossible. That my friend is by divine right. That means if you are born into it you can't lose it no matter how stupid you are and if you aren't born into it and even approximate their wealth you'll still never be in the club.

And that sir is what minorities think of as "White Privilege" not realizing that the Middle Class whites are just as shut out as they are. If you can earn a position its not Privilege. If you are gifted one it is. No working class people are privileged. When you live above the law, or can buy the law, and can escape prosecution for crimes, and travel the world with your own entourage to protect you then you know what Privilege is, but it's not "White" as wealthy Arabs, Chinese, Russians, and Africans know. It's Rich Privilege and it knows no race. To attach race to it is stupid. This struggle that is going on is just over who's going to be the least advantaged. It's not about "Privilege" because those who have it aren't hurt by toppled statues, looted stores, burned businesses, and burned homes.

It was always the super wealthy who had slaves by the virtue of whatever the culture called wealth. It was always the super wealthy who stole your sons for combat, turned your daughters into their whores, raped your wife, and killed you for your land. And the faces of those victims were white in Europe, black and brown in Africa, different hues of brown in Asia and America and South America. But it was never the working class in another country that enslaved you. It is only the 5% that control 95% of the worlds wealth and use every means and trick to get the rest of us to kill each other. But until we unite and refuse to take their bait they will continue to manipulate us all.

Now does that answer your question. Whites don't call it "White" privilege because we only see the privilege of the "Super Rich". It is they who oppress us. Every victim tends to put a different face to his bogeyman, but there is only one in reality and Lord Acton described it so well when he said "Power Corrupts, but Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely!"

Now I ask you this question, does not the spirts of envy, jealously, hatred, malice, and murder exist in us all? You bet it does. Therefore none of us have a moral imperative over another. But to allow 5% to control 95% of the resources is quite another matter.

Agreed. I view idea of white privilege as a means to negate comparative analysis between poor whites and blacks as doing so would show the actual struggle is more about class than melanin content.

(07-06-2020 07:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-05-2020 04:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-05-2020 04:12 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Interesting too that only blacks talk about it.

Not surprising at all. It goes by another name among whites. Class Supremacy.

For the middle class there is no real avenue to becoming a billionaire. The tax system is against it, it's damned tough to defend you patents against multi-billion dollar corporations who can simply steal them and tie you up in court until you are broke.

From the vantage point of a retired white person (though I truly have Native American heritage) what African Americans see as white privilege was not what was created by the middle class, but rather what the ultra wealthy permitted the middle class to have in order to stave off our revolution against them.

If I was going to offer a suggestion to African Americans it's that they are aiming at the wrong whites. Those Corporations that sponsor this mess, who have CEO's who live in gated and guarded compounds, and who have mansions all over the world with similar arrangements, those are the designers of what is called White Supremacy which is really a dummy target set up to keep the true poor from turning on them.

I wonder if every poor person was given a middle class home and middle class property if they would really feel free. We don't! Pay off your house and the government can still take it if you can't afford the property taxes that they raise every year. Try to get you kid, smart as they may be, into a posh Ivy League school and see how rigid the class prejudice really is, and if like a close relative of mine they actually get in they are treated like the kitchen help because by clothing, transportation, and clubs they can access everyone knows them to just be bright pretenders merely sampling what the others will own.

There is very little distance between poverty and the middle class and those who apply their education and bust their butts can cross that barrier. But crossing from the middle class into the truly upper class is nearly impossible. That my friend is by divine right. That means if you are born into it you can't lose it no matter how stupid you are and if you aren't born into it and even approximate their wealth you'll still never be in the club.

And that sir is what minorities think of as "White Privilege" not realizing that the Middle Class whites are just as shut out as they are. If you can earn a position its not Privilege. If you are gifted one it is. No working class people are privileged. When you live above the law, or can buy the law, and can escape prosecution for crimes, and travel the world with your own entourage to protect you then you know what Privilege is, but it's not "White" as wealthy Arabs, Chinese, Russians, and Africans know. It's Rich Privilege and it knows no race. To attach race to it is stupid. This struggle that is going on is just over who's going to be the least advantaged. It's not about "Privilege" because those who have it aren't hurt by toppled statues, looted stores, burned businesses, and burned homes.

It was always the super wealthy who had slaves by the virtue of whatever the culture called wealth. It was always the super wealthy who stole your sons for combat, turned your daughters into their whores, raped your wife, and killed you for your land. And the faces of those victims were white in Europe, black and brown in Africa, different hues of brown in Asia and America and South America. But it was never the working class in another country that enslaved you. It is only the 5% that control 95% of the worlds wealth and use every means and trick to get the rest of us to kill each other. But until we unite and refuse to take their bait they will continue to manipulate us all.

Now does that answer your question. Whites don't call it "White" privilege because we only see the privilege of the "Super Rich". It is they who oppress us. Every victim tends to put a different face to his bogeyman, but there is only one in reality and Lord Acton described it so well when he said "Power Corrupts, but Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely!"

Now I ask you this question, does not the spirts of envy, jealously, hatred, malice, and murder exist in us all? You bet it does. Therefore none of us have a moral imperative over another. But to allow 5% to control 95% of the resources is quite another matter.

Agreed. I view idea of white privilege as a means to negate comparative analysis between poor whites and blacks as doing so would show the actual struggle is more about class than melanin content.

I never thought of it this way. If the dems quit dividing the poor by race they would have a lot more support. Poor whites got no where to go other than Trump.

"Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you'll keep 'em voting democrat." It is very unlikely that LBJ every actually said that. It is, however, very likely that he believed precisely that.