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The south can’t afford it. Big 12 and SEC will play. Most likely the ACC will as well with ND on board. Take 3 conf champs and 1 At Large, sack the PAC 12 and B1G

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Matt Hayes
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Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

(08-08-2020 05:42 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The south can’t afford it. Big 12 and SEC will play. Most likely the ACC will as well with ND on board. Take 3 conf champs and 1 At Large, sack the PAC 12 and B1G

Southern conferences play, four-team playoff, winner gets one of the Confederate statues from Monument Avenue in Richmond

(08-08-2020 07:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 05:42 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The south can’t afford it. Big 12 and SEC will play. Most likely the ACC will as well with ND on board. Take 3 conf champs and 1 At Large, sack the PAC 12 and B1G

Southern conferences play, four-team playoff, winner gets one of the Confederate statues from Monument Avenue in Richmond

(08-08-2020 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Matt Hayes
@MattHayesCFB
· 1h
Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

Key word is VERY.

(08-08-2020 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Matt Hayes
@MattHayesCFB
· 1h
Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

Key word is VERY.

Let them organize. Let them demand half the revenue.

Now, lets look that the reality. The athletic department with the most revenue (Texas) made about 20 million on 224 million in revenue. The most profitable college athletic department made 44 million (A&M) on 212 million in revenue. Only a handful fo schools made any real money---most were close to break even or were actually losing money. Pretty much all the G5 programs are losing money (some quite a bit of meney).

If we take HALF the revenue and give it to the players, every single program goes into the red. Texas would lose about 85 million a year. A&M would lose about
62 million. The funny thing----The G5 would actually be better off than many P5's if they had to give up 50% of their revenues simply because their budgets are so much smaller. Not only are their total budgets half the size of the P5---thier revenues are MUCH less than half the revenues of the P5 (so losing half their revenue would be a MUCH smaller hit to their budgets).

So---what are the chances that every P5 and G5 school will say--yeah--cool, we'll start losing 100 million or more a year on sports to keep the players happy. Zero chance.

Its FAR more likely this brings about a sea change where college sports goes back to the future. They go back to the original TOTALLY PURE AMATEUR MODEL. You play for fun. You play for love of the school. You play for pride and prestige--but you get no compensation. ZERO. No scholarship. No FCOA. You get nothing. That destroys the basis for all the law suits against the FBS schools. As a bonus---it also eliminates a host of Title-9 issues and expenses. It also allows the schools to keep all the revenue and massively CUT expenses.

If the players and lawsuits continue---if they get no relief from Congress---then the schools basically have no choice but to go back to a purely amateur model. They really have no other option. The basic financial realities leave not other way forward for school athletic departments.

(08-08-2020 08:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Matt Hayes
@MattHayesCFB
· 1h
Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

Key word is VERY.

Let them organize. Let them demand half the revenue.

Now, lets look that the reality. The athletic department with the most revenue (Texas) made about 20 million on 224 million in revenue. The most profitable college athletic department made 44 million (A&M) on 212 million in revenue. Only a handful fo schools made any real money---most were close to break even or were actually losing money. Pretty much all the G5 programs are losing money (some quite a bit of meney).

If we take HALF the revenue and give it to the players, every single program goes into the red. Texas would lose about 85 million a year. A&M would lose about
62 million. The funny thing----The G5 would actually be better off than many P5's if they had to give up 50% of their revenues simply because their budgets are so much smaller. Not only are their total budgets half the size of the P5---thier revenues are MUCH less than half the revenues of the P5 (so losing half their revenue would be a MUCH smaller hit to their budgets).

So---what are the chances that every P5 and G5 school will say--yeah--cool, we'll start losing 100 million or more a year on sports to keep the players happy. Zero chance.

Its FAR more likely this brings about a sea change where college sports goes back to the future. They go back to the original TOTALLY PURE AMATEUR MODEL. You play for fun. You play for love of the school. You play for pride and prestige--but you get no compensation. ZERO. That destroys all the law suits. That eliminates all the Title-9 issues. It also allows the schools to keep all the revenue and massively CUT expenses.

If the players and lawsuits continue---if they get no relief from Congress---then the schools basically have no choice but to go back to a purely amateur model. They really have no other option. The basic financial realities leave not other way forward for school athletic departments.

There isn't a single G5 school that is subsidized less than 25%. You had better deduct that subsidy when figuring profit. In short there would be no G5 programs playing football.

The solution is going back to scholarship only and full amateur status and any who don't want that are free to sign with an agent and let the damned NFL pay for their own development league.

That's your answer!

Oh, and one more thing. All student athletes must first pass admissions standards, no exceptions.

I would like to be the first to propose some options regarding topics we can discuss on this board this fall if the entirety of college football is canceled (my father, who attended New Mexico Highlands University in the 1950s, and I are already displeased that NCAA D-II football has been nixed).

So here we go:

Shemp or Curly?

New York or Chicago?

Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings?

Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")?

Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020?

(08-08-2020 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Matt Hayes
@MattHayesCFB
· 1h
Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

So just shut down college sports for a couple of years. What else are these troglodytes going to do with themselves? They will be forced to leave school and have no options. The schools don't need the players, the players need the schools access to TV.

(08-08-2020 08:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Matt Hayes
@MattHayesCFB
· 1h
Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

Key word is VERY.

Let them organize. Let them demand half the revenue.

Now, lets look that the reality. The athletic department with the most revenue (Texas) made about 20 million on 224 million in revenue. The most profitable college athletic department made 44 million (A&M) on 212 million in revenue. Only a handful fo schools made any real money---most were close to break even or were actually losing money. Pretty much all the G5 programs are losing money (some quite a bit of meney).

If we take HALF the revenue and give it to the players, every single program goes into the red. Texas would lose about 85 million a year. A&M would lose about
62 million. The funny thing----The G5 would actually be better off than many P5's if they had to give up 50% of their revenues simply because their budgets are so much smaller. Not only are their total budgets half the size of the P5---thier revenues are MUCH less than half the revenues of the P5 (so losing half their revenue would be a MUCH smaller hit to their budgets).

So---what are the chances that every P5 and G5 school will say--yeah--cool, we'll start losing 100 million or more a year on sports to keep the players happy. Zero chance.

Its FAR more likely this brings about a sea change where college sports goes back to the future. They go back to the original TOTALLY PURE AMATEUR MODEL. You play for fun. You play for love of the school. You play for pride and prestige--but you get no compensation. ZERO. No scholarship. No FCOA. You get nothing. That destroys the basis for all the law suits against the FBS schools. As a bonus---it also eliminates a host of Title-9 issues and expenses. It also allows the schools to keep all the revenue and massively CUT expenses.

If the players and lawsuits continue---if they get no relief from Congress---then the schools basically have no choice but to go back to a purely amateur model. They really have no other option. The basic financial realities leave not other way forward for school athletic departments.

Please, please be right on this one.

(08-08-2020 08:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its FAR more likely this brings about a sea change where college sports goes back to the future. They go back to the original TOTALLY PURE AMATEUR MODEL. You play for fun. You play for love of the school. You play for pride and prestige--but you get no compensation. ZERO. No scholarship. No FCOA. You get nothing. That destroys the basis for all the law suits against the FBS schools. As a bonus---it also eliminates a host of Title-9 issues and expenses. It also allows the schools to keep all the revenue and massively CUT expenses.

If the players and lawsuits continue---if they get no relief from Congress---then the schools basically have no choice but to go back to a purely amateur model. They really have no other option. The basic financial realities leave not other way forward for school athletic departments.

Setting aside all the real-world reasons the Texases and Alabamas of college football will give the players a cut before they go pay-to-play (good luck selling that idea, btw), pay-to-play doesn't actually solve any of the core issues the players are voicing unless you're also tearing up the broadcast agreements, pulling down the stadiums, and just letting kids play clubs sports and intramurals in their free time (which, to be honest, is actually what the extent of athletics on a campus should be).

(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would like to be the first to propose some options regarding topics we can discuss on this board this fall if the entirety of college football is canceled (my father, who attended New Mexico Highlands University in the 1950s, and I are already displeased that NCAA D-II football has been nixed).

So here we go:

Shemp or Curly?

New York or Chicago?

Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings?

Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")?

Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020?

Curly
Chicago
Cincinnati Chili
ZZ Top
Don Rickles or Sam Kinison - I just changed that. Two greats. I have to go with Sam.

(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would like to be the first to propose some options regarding topics we can discuss on this board this fall if the entirety of college football is canceled (my father, who attended New Mexico Highlands University in the 1950s, and I are already displeased that NCAA D-II football has been nixed).

So here we go:

Shemp or Curly? Curly

New York or Chicago? Screw 'em both. Tel Aviv or Amsterdam

Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings? Pork BBQ cut right off the pit.

Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")? Lynyrd Skynyrd or CCR

Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020? Richard Pryor or Gallagher or Carlin

(08-08-2020 09:31 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Matt Hayes
@MattHayesCFB
· 1h
Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

So just shut down college sports for a couple of years. What else are these troglodytes going to do with themselves? They will be forced to leave school and have no options. The schools don't need the players, the players need the schools access to TV.

Jesus, why don't you just call them ungrateful thugs and be done with it.

If you have that much contempt for college football players, then stop watching. Go follow a D3 school where nobody gets anything. Oh, but you want successful programs with high paid coaches and eight or nine-figure stadiums with all the creature comforts you deserve, you just want the hired help to carry the ball on the field and shut their mouths off it.

I thought people liked college sports more than pro for the pageantry, the fans, the culture, the different styles of play, the intangibles that make it so special. I'm starting to realize that there's more than a few people who like it because unlike the pros, they can tell college players to do as they're told and be thankful for what they've got. Can't really do that with big-contract pros with a union.

(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Shemp or Curly?

Curly. How is this even a question? I don't even hate Shemp, it's not like he's ... ugh ... Joe, but Curly was the soul of the Stooges.

Quote:New York or Chicago?

Never been to Chicago but want to. Been to NYC a few times, wouldn't say no to going again but it's not a priority. So ... toss-up?

Quote:Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings?

Good wings > chili > bad wings. The chili has a lower ceiling of greatness but a higher floor of failure. An order of wings can send you to heaven or the toilet.

Quote:Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")?

ZZ Top. Never got into Rush.

Quote:Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020?

Rickles, though I think the fairer comparison would be to Sam Kinison or Eddie Murphy or Richard Prior or George Carlin. I'm not sure who the hot comic today is, and whoever it is probably is a week away from getting cancelled for getting grabby with a 19-year-old girl after a set in L.A.

(08-08-2020 08:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Matt Hayes
@MattHayesCFB
· 1h
Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

Key word is VERY.

Let them organize. Let them demand half the revenue.

Now, lets look that the reality. The athletic department with the most revenue (Texas) made about 20 million on 224 million in revenue. The most profitable college athletic department made 44 million (A&M) on 212 million in revenue. Only a handful fo schools made any real money---most were close to break even or were actually losing money. Pretty much all the G5 programs are losing money (some quite a bit of meney).

If we take HALF the revenue and give it to the players, every single program goes into the red. Texas would lose about 85 million a year. A&M would lose about
62 million. The funny thing----The G5 would actually be better off than many P5's if they had to give up 50% of their revenues simply because their budgets are so much smaller. Not only are their total budgets half the size of the P5---thier revenues are MUCH less than half the revenues of the P5 (so losing half their revenue would be a MUCH smaller hit to their budgets).

So---what are the chances that every P5 and G5 school will say--yeah--cool, we'll start losing 100 million or more a year on sports to keep the players happy. Zero chance.

Its FAR more likely this brings about a sea change where college sports goes back to the future. They go back to the original TOTALLY PURE AMATEUR MODEL. You play for fun. You play for love of the school. You play for pride and prestige--but you get no compensation. ZERO. No scholarship. No FCOA. You get nothing. That destroys the basis for all the law suits against the FBS schools. As a bonus---it also eliminates a host of Title-9 issues and expenses. It also allows the schools to keep all the revenue and massively CUT expenses.

If the players and lawsuits continue---if they get no relief from Congress---then the schools basically have no choice but to go back to a purely amateur model. They really have no other option. The basic financial realities leave not other way forward for school athletic departments.

No help from Congress? We've talked about the Alston case. Should the plaintiffs win out, the affected schools won't be able to do what you suggest without an antitrust exemption. They can't beat the law by breaking it.

(08-08-2020 11:20 PM)chester Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 08:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Matt Hayes
@MattHayesCFB
· 1h
Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

Key word is VERY.

Let them organize. Let them demand half the revenue.

Now, lets look that the reality. The athletic department with the most revenue (Texas) made about 20 million on 224 million in revenue. The most profitable college athletic department made 44 million (A&M) on 212 million in revenue. Only a handful fo schools made any real money---most were close to break even or were actually losing money. Pretty much all the G5 programs are losing money (some quite a bit of meney).

If we take HALF the revenue and give it to the players, every single program goes into the red. Texas would lose about 85 million a year. A&M would lose about
62 million. The funny thing----The G5 would actually be better off than many P5's if they had to give up 50% of their revenues simply because their budgets are so much smaller. Not only are their total budgets half the size of the P5---thier revenues are MUCH less than half the revenues of the P5 (so losing half their revenue would be a MUCH smaller hit to their budgets).

So---what are the chances that every P5 and G5 school will say--yeah--cool, we'll start losing 100 million or more a year on sports to keep the players happy. Zero chance.

Its FAR more likely this brings about a sea change where college sports goes back to the future. They go back to the original TOTALLY PURE AMATEUR MODEL. You play for fun. You play for love of the school. You play for pride and prestige--but you get no compensation. ZERO. No scholarship. No FCOA. You get nothing. That destroys the basis for all the law suits against the FBS schools. As a bonus---it also eliminates a host of Title-9 issues and expenses. It also allows the schools to keep all the revenue and massively CUT expenses.

If the players and lawsuits continue---if they get no relief from Congress---then the schools basically have no choice but to go back to a purely amateur model. They really have no other option. The basic financial realities leave not other way forward for school athletic departments.

No help from Congress? We've talked about the Alston case. Should the plaintiffs win out, the affected schools won't be able to do what you suggest without an antitrust exemption. They can't beat the law by breaking it.

Bottom line, Congress won't kill Title IX. If scholarships are all they offer that will win out. What will be forced is the NFL's agreement to take High School talent, at least in theory. Then there is no anti-trust. The players are free to pay for play, or free to go to school.

(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would like to be the first to propose some options regarding topics we can discuss on this board this fall if the entirety of college football is canceled (my father, who attended New Mexico Highlands University in the 1950s, and I are already displeased that NCAA D-II football has been nixed).

So here we go:

Shemp or Curly?

New York or Chicago?

Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings?

Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")?

Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020?

There are sharp dressed men but no comics in 2020