(10-28-2020 10:54 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  This is a good proposal. But it would require both the CUSA and the Sunbelt to disband and to create a new conference. The commissioner from CUSA could be over one, and the commissioner from the Sunbelt over the other. Now the Sunbelt has 10 teams and CUSA has 14 teams. Thats 24 teams. Someone would have to be left out to create an 18 team conference. Then where would the remaining 6 go?

I believe I speak for more than just myself when I say "no thank you" to that.

(10-29-2020 02:45 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  Maybe it would be best if the CUSA and SBC just died on their own from lack of funds. Then see what happens. How much($) is membership costing each university versus how much($) they get back? The presidents probably have more important things on their plates, but isn't that the AD's job?

These two conferences will never come to an agreement anyway.

You nailed it right here, and pride is not the only thing standing in the way.

(10-28-2020 11:35 AM)rileylives Wrote:  The problem is, we are just adding more fluff in that scenario.

^ This.

I think we need to cut some dead weight. If we reduce our membership by 2 programs, each of the remaining 12 members would get a larger slice of the CFP money, and save on travel by reducing the number of road contests for all sports. Is it perfect? No, but in my opinion, it would be better than more expansion.

(10-29-2020 09:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:35 AM)rileylives Wrote:  The problem is, we are just adding more fluff in that scenario.

^ This.

I think we need to cut some dead weight. If we reduce our membership by 2 programs, each of the remaining 12 members would get a larger slice of the CFP money, and save on travel by reducing the number of road contests for all sports. Is it perfect? No, but in my opinion, it would be better than more expansion.

This should be good... who?

(10-29-2020 09:32 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:35 AM)rileylives Wrote:  The problem is, we are just adding more fluff in that scenario.

^ This.

I think we need to cut some dead weight. If we reduce our membership by 2 programs, each of the remaining 12 members would get a larger slice of the CFP money, and save on travel by reducing the number of road contests for all sports. Is it perfect? No, but in my opinion, it would be better than more expansion.

This should be good... who?

It is no secret ODU would be first on my list. They complain more than any other program in C-USA, seem to think there is a spot in the AAC for them, and independently ended their football season and left 8 C-USA members scrambling to schedule replacement games.

As for #2, I don't know... whichever programs bring the least to C-USA. The parameters for determining that would have to be figured out (success, attendance, media value, ....).

Oh dear Lord, no more expansion! That is just train smoke and mayonnaise cookoo... I don’t see any grounds for kicking anyone out.

Banowski bungled this whole thing...

(10-29-2020 10:05 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Banowski bungled this whole thing...

Agreed. He never should have expanded beyond 12.

clt says we need to add coastal.

(10-29-2020 10:05 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Banowski bungled this whole thing...

The failure of the merger and the expansion to 14 were catastrophic failures for him. He jumped ship right before our TV contract expired to save himself some embarrassment. He knew he had messed up.

To the topic, CUSA needs to split up and dissolve. The West can add Texas State, Arkansas State, and Louisiana and be done at 9. That makes 4 OOC games possible in football, and no more championship game. In basketball, you get to play each member home - away.

CUSA is a dying conference with no rivalries and expensive travel. Kill it. Create two new conferences that make more sense. There are plenty of good schools in the Sunbelt to help make it happen.

(10-29-2020 10:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  Maybe it would be best if the CUSA and SBC just died on their own from lack of funds. Then see what happens. How much($) is membership costing each university versus how much($) they get back? The presidents probably have more important things on their plates, but isn't that the AD's job?

I think this is the de facto approach. I’d argue that CUSA would be better off if 2 to 4 schools dropped out on their own, even if that meant two strong football programs packed up and left for the Sunbelt. Even better, if some of the programs on both sides decided against the cost of FBS football and dropped out, it would solve the bottom feeder problem in both leagues and remove a stumbling block to reorganization.

I think it is a matter of time for CUSA to either disband or lose some of their schools. I base this on the ineptitude of Judy Mcleod. She has been one of the worse leaders I have seen and yet still keeps her job. Why is that? Are the 28 presidents and AD's as incompetent as her. I think it is none of the above. IMHO, the league is fragmented and there is little Judy or the AD's/Presidents can do about it. Thus the President's and AD's keep her waiting for the day some of the disgruntled schools make a move, which they all probably have a good idea when that is.

(10-29-2020 09:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:35 AM)rileylives Wrote:  The problem is, we are just adding more fluff in that scenario.

^ This.

I think we need to cut some dead weight. If we reduce our membership by 2 programs, each of the remaining 12 members would get a larger slice of the CFP money, and save on travel by reducing the number of road contests for all sports. Is it perfect? No, but in my opinion, it would be better than more expansion.

I'm for helping out CUSA by accepting any 2 of Rice, USM, or UAB into the Sun Belt then we can let go of our 2 of UTA and little rock.

(10-30-2020 08:54 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:35 AM)rileylives Wrote:  The problem is, we are just adding more fluff in that scenario.

^ This.

I think we need to cut some dead weight. If we reduce our membership by 2 programs, each of the remaining 12 members would get a larger slice of the CFP money, and save on travel by reducing the number of road contests for all sports. Is it perfect? No, but in my opinion, it would be better than more expansion.

I'm for helping out CUSA by accepting any 2 of Rice, USM, or UAB into the Sun Belt

We'll trade you all of our Texas schools for Reading Railroad and $200

(10-29-2020 09:59 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:32 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:35 AM)rileylives Wrote:  The problem is, we are just adding more fluff in that scenario.

^ This.

I think we need to cut some dead weight. If we reduce our membership by 2 programs, each of the remaining 12 members would get a larger slice of the CFP money, and save on travel by reducing the number of road contests for all sports. Is it perfect? No, but in my opinion, it would be better than more expansion.

This should be good... who?

It is no secret ODU would be first on my list. They complain more than any other program in C-USA, seem to think there is a spot in the AAC for them, and independently ended their football season and left 8 C-USA members scrambling to schedule replacement games.

As for #2, I don't know... whichever programs bring the least to C-USA. The parameters for determining that would have to be figured out (success, attendance, media value, ....).

How about two half assed programs. UNT and UNT. They bring no value to the conference in any of the sports and don't even have ******* Baseball. Look at the other Texas programs, UTEP has solid BB and have always had pretty good fanbase, Rice has academics and bring that good Baseball with them, UTSA is a young program who has a pretty good potential but UNT has been sucking at pretty much anything and everything ever since well beginning of the time. UNT sucks at FB in the heart of Texas where FB is a big deal i mean how can anyone expect you guys to do any better in any sport. Other than throwing money at that Stadium and some cool aid coaches you guys brought nothing to the table. May be Judy keeps driving her monster jeep on UNT campus and that might be why you guys are still in the conference other than that i don't see any reason to keep UNT in the conference. Look i know you think you are anonymous behind the cyber wall but we have your mug shot literally.

(10-30-2020 08:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 08:54 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:35 AM)rileylives Wrote:  The problem is, we are just adding more fluff in that scenario.

^ This.

I think we need to cut some dead weight. If we reduce our membership by 2 programs, each of the remaining 12 members would get a larger slice of the CFP money, and save on travel by reducing the number of road contests for all sports. Is it perfect? No, but in my opinion, it would be better than more expansion.

I'm for helping out CUSA by accepting any 2 of Rice, USM, or UAB into the Sun Belt

We'll trade you all of our Texas schools for Reading Railroad and $200

Real talk. after listing to most of y'all complaints, it seems if you had 1 or 2 less Texas schools and the conference office was in another location, the perceived Texas bias might go away and most of the league would be happy enough at that point to stay together.

(10-29-2020 10:04 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Oh dear Lord, no more expansion! That is just train smoke and mayonnaise cookoo... I don’t see any grounds for kicking anyone out.

The first criteria for kicking a school out should be that if a school refuses to play a scheduled conference game when neither team has a health problem and protocols are in place to protect them while traveling.

OK, thats one down and one to go.

(10-30-2020 07:43 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:05 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Banowski bungled this whole thing...

The failure of the merger and the expansion to 14 were catastrophic failures for him. He jumped ship right before our TV contract expired to save himself some embarrassment. He knew he had messed up.

To the topic, CUSA needs to split up and dissolve. The West can add Texas State, Arkansas State, and Louisiana and be done at 9. That makes 4 OOC games possible in football, and no more championship game. In basketball, you get to play each member home - away.

CUSA is a dying conference with no rivalries and expensive travel. Kill it. Create two new conferences that make more sense. There are plenty of good schools in the Sunbelt to help make it happen.

No rivalries? Tech/USM, WKU/MTSU, F_U/the other F_U?

And again, exactly how many cross-divisional games do you think we're playing? It's really not that many.

(10-29-2020 09:59 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:32 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:35 AM)rileylives Wrote:  The problem is, we are just adding more fluff in that scenario.

^ This.

I think we need to cut some dead weight. If we reduce our membership by 2 programs, each of the remaining 12 members would get a larger slice of the CFP money, and save on travel by reducing the number of road contests for all sports. Is it perfect? No, but in my opinion, it would be better than more expansion.

This should be good... who?

It is no secret ODU would be first on my list. They complain more than any other program in C-USA, seem to think there is a spot in the AAC for them, and independently ended their football season and left 8 C-USA members scrambling to schedule replacement games.

As for #2, I don't know... whichever programs bring the least to C-USA. The parameters for determining that would have to be figured out (success, attendance, media value, ....).

You do realize that ODU posters =/= ODU administration, right?

ODU made a decision about football that they believed was in their best interests, with the consent and approval of the conference. They didn't cancel the season and then send the front office a copy of the news release. Maybe by "independently ended their football season" you really mean "didn't ask me for permission."

I do think our posters shouldn't complain about the costs of traveling to North Texas, though, since ODU obviously has permanent rent-free lodging in your head.

(10-30-2020 09:10 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 08:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 08:54 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:35 AM)rileylives Wrote:  The problem is, we are just adding more fluff in that scenario.

^ This.

I think we need to cut some dead weight. If we reduce our membership by 2 programs, each of the remaining 12 members would get a larger slice of the CFP money, and save on travel by reducing the number of road contests for all sports. Is it perfect? No, but in my opinion, it would be better than more expansion.

I'm for helping out CUSA by accepting any 2 of Rice, USM, or UAB into the Sun Belt

We'll trade you all of our Texas schools for Reading Railroad and $200

Real talk. after listing to most of y'all complaints, it seems if you had 1 or 2 less Texas schools and the conference office was in another location, the perceived Texas bias might go away and most of the league would be happy enough at that point to stay together.

I have no real issue with Texas schools, or even the conference footprint as a whole. The AAC takes up almost as much real estate even after UConn left, and I think we'd all jump on the first thing smoking to get there. But a big conference has to be good to make its size worth it, and right now CUSA is a one-bid league that's much closer to the bottom of the G5 (when they're not right there) than the top.

If ODU/Charlotte were consistently better in the big sports, the Texas schools would be happier to make the trip. If the Texas schools were consistently better and invested in their tennis facilities, ODU/Charlotte would be happier. It's an easy answer but a difficult solution.