(11-11-2020 08:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Let's not forget that a Supreme Court Justice ordered ballots separated and PA ignored the order..

The only ballots to be seperated were those arriving within 3 days election day. Those were separated and are not yet in any counts. The number of late ballots fitting that criteria is about 10,000.

"Republicans in Pennsylvania won an order from the U.S. Supreme Court on Friday evening requiring local officials to separate out late-arriving ballots until the legal controversy over them is resolved.

However, the order from Justice Samuel Alito did not grant a GOP request that those ballots go uncounted. Instead, he said those ballots could be tallied “if counted separately.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/06...ots-434744

(11-11-2020 08:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 07:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 07:22 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  You do realize the provisiinal [sic] ballots are actually ballots of people that showed up on election day and voted but had a mail in ballot sent in also ? Ruh roh.

Everyone knows this.

"Did you know Lincoln was a Republican? Many people don't know that." ~ djt

EDIT: I actually read this a bit closer after I woke up a bit...lol

This is not normally what a provisional ballot is, but rather it's more than likely voter fraud. If you mailed in a ballot, you're not supposed to show up on election day and just vote.

Now if you told them you tried to track your ballot online and it said it was not received, then they would likely allow you to complete a provisional ballot.

Provisional ballots are normally filled out if there is a problem with your registration when you arrive at the polls. For example, if you moved and your address was not updated yet or some other reason that you don't appear on their roles of eligible voters for that precinct. In that case you complete the provisional ballot where they verify your information after all the other votes are counted.

You left out the mail in ballots that were requested and sent in for people that haven't voted in 4+ cycles that showed up on election day to vote. The actual person isn't the one that requested the mail in ballot.

Link?

Take away 10,000 and Biden still wins the state by 38K. Florida in 2000 was a difference of 537 votes.

It's over.

(11-11-2020 08:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Let's not forget that a Supreme Court Justice ordered ballots separated and PA ignored the order..

Fake news. That order from Alito was redundant. The SOS in PA had already ordered this and the ballots were already separated.

Quote:Harrisburg, PA — New guidance from the state means ballots received after 8:00 p.m. on Election Day must be separated from all other ballots, should a future court ruling mean they cannot be counted.

The Office of the Secretary of the Commonwealth issued guidance to the county boards of election directing them to securely segregate all mail-in and civilian absentee ballots received between 8:00 p.m. on Tuesday, November 3, 2020, and 5:00 p.m. on Friday, November 6, 2020, from all other voted ballots, according to a letter sent to the U.S. Supreme Court from the Attorney General's Office.

https://local21news.com/news/local/supre...-on-electi

And FWIW - Those ballots only number around 10k. Sorry.

Quote:Pennsylvania’s chief election officer announced on Tuesday that around 10,000 ballots were received between the close of polls on Election Day and the evening of Nov. 6 — a number far too small to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s margin of victory in a critical battleground state.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10...v-3-435972

In order for the people to have faith in the US election process, now and going forward, all ballots in disputed states should be hand-recounted, with members/representatives from both major parties present and video-recording the Entire procedure at a resolution where each individual ballot can be seen and verified on the screen (totally possible with today's cheap camera technology) for later re-verification by independent analysis and permanently kept on public file for future inquiries...this so as to avoid any impropriety or shenanigans. If a County, City, or State is found to have deleted ballots or added invalid ballots for whatever reason, that City's, County's State's entire ballots should be removed and not counted in the totals. If part of the ballots are deemed invalid, and are easily separable from the valid ballots, those ballots that are invalid should be removed from the results and only valid legal ballots counted.

2018 wasn't hand-counted in Georgia. And when Dems asked for a recount, Republicans here were asking the Dems to stop whining and acting like a baby.

Fairvote has looked at statewide recounts since 2000. The average shift in votes has been a mere 430 votes and 0.02 points. The largest shift in votes was a little less than 2,600 and 0.11 points.

It's over. Your guy doesn't even want to govern anymore. He's just doing this to pay off his campaign debts. And save face and his brand name.

Too late, he's already a bigger loser than Carter. It's over.

(11-11-2020 09:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 08:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Let's not forget that a Supreme Court Justice ordered ballots separated and PA ignored the order..

Fake news. That order from Alito was redundant. The SOS in PA had already ordered this and the ballots were already separated.

Quote:Harrisburg, PA — New guidance from the state means ballots received after 8:00 p.m. on Election Day must be separated from all other ballots, should a future court ruling mean they cannot be counted.

The Office of the Secretary of the Commonwealth issued guidance to the county boards of election directing them to securely segregate all mail-in and civilian absentee ballots received between 8:00 p.m. on Tuesday, November 3, 2020, and 5:00 p.m. on Friday, November 6, 2020, from all other voted ballots, according to a letter sent to the U.S. Supreme Court from the Attorney General's Office.

https://local21news.com/news/local/supre...-on-electi

And FWIW - Those ballots only number around 10k. Sorry.

Quote:Pennsylvania’s chief election officer announced on Tuesday that around 10,000 ballots were received between the close of polls on Election Day and the evening of Nov. 6 — a number far too small to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s margin of victory in a critical battleground state.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10...v-3-435972

Then shut up and let it play out.

(11-11-2020 01:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  2018 wasn't hand-counted in Georgia. And when Dems asked for a recount, Republicans here were asking the Dems to stop whining and acting like a baby.

Fairvote has looked at statewide recounts since 2000. The average shift in votes has been a mere 430 votes and 0.02 points. The largest shift in votes was a little less than 2,600 and 0.11 points.

It's over. Your guy doesn't even want to govern anymore. He's just doing this to pay off his campaign debts. And save face and his brand name.

Too late, he's already a bigger loser than Carter. It's over.

Donations to Trump's election legal fund...

Quote:However, in the fine print lower on the page, it says 60% will go towards "the retirement of general election debt," and the remaining 40% will go towards the Republican National Committee's operating account. It is customary for national party committees, like the RNC, to be involved in election-related legal battles, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Yup, Trump's just trying to get off one last con before he leaves office.

(11-11-2020 02:13 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 01:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  2018 wasn't hand-counted in Georgia. And when Dems asked for a recount, Republicans here were asking the Dems to stop whining and acting like a baby.

Fairvote has looked at statewide recounts since 2000. The average shift in votes has been a mere 430 votes and 0.02 points. The largest shift in votes was a little less than 2,600 and 0.11 points.

It's over. Your guy doesn't even want to govern anymore. He's just doing this to pay off his campaign debts. And save face and his brand name.

Too late, he's already a bigger loser than Carter. It's over.

Donations to Trump's election legal fund...

Quote:However, in the fine print lower on the page, it says 60% will go towards "the retirement of general election debt," and the remaining 40% will go towards the Republican National Committee's operating account. It is customary for national party committees, like the RNC, to be involved in election-related legal battles, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Yup, Trump's just trying to get off one last con before he leaves office.

Maybe Don Jr is trying one last time to get a billion and a half dollar deal from the Chinese....

(11-11-2020 01:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  2018 wasn't hand-counted in Georgia. And when Dems asked for a recount, Republicans here were asking the Dems to stop whining and acting like a baby.

Fairvote has looked at statewide recounts since 2000. The average shift in votes has been a mere 430 votes and 0.02 points. The largest shift in votes was a little less than 2,600 and 0.11 points.

It's over. Your guy doesn't even want to govern anymore. He's just doing this to pay off his campaign debts. And save face and his brand name.

Too late, he's already a bigger loser than Carter. It's over.

I suspect that you are correct--however, this election, which marks the widest use of mail in ballots in history (by a long shot) could be differnt. We dont know. So, dont fight it. Just let it play out. If there is nothing to it, it will all be over in a week or so.

(11-11-2020 01:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  2018 wasn't hand-counted in Georgia. And when Dems asked for a recount, Republicans here were asking the Dems to stop whining and acting like a baby.

Fairvote has looked at statewide recounts since 2000. The average shift in votes has been a mere 430 votes and 0.02 points. The largest shift in votes was a little less than 2,600 and 0.11 points.

It's over. Your guy doesn't even want to govern anymore. He's just doing this to pay off his campaign debts. And save face and his brand name.

Too late, he's already a bigger loser than Carter. It's over.

There has never been an election so prone to fraud with all the mail in balloting and loosening of ballot security measures. There's never been a party so hostile to a candidate from the other party.

(11-11-2020 01:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  2018 wasn't hand-counted in Georgia. And when Dems asked for a recount, Republicans here were asking the Dems to stop whining and acting like a baby.

Fairvote has looked at statewide recounts since 2000. The average shift in votes has been a mere 430 votes and 0.02 points. The largest shift in votes was a little less than 2,600 and 0.11 points.

It's over. Your guy doesn't even want to govern anymore. He's just doing this to pay off his campaign debts. And save face and his brand name.

Too late, he's already a bigger loser than Carter. It's over.

You seem scared this year is different...any recount will be over with in 10 to 14 days and it wont be costing you a penny. Hell you dont even live in GA so why are you so worried about what another state that you did not vote in. Dont pay taxes in, is recounting their votes? Why are you wanting the count stopped? If its as you said then Biden wins the state of GA. and the time it takes to do the recount is not hurting Biden at all.

(11-11-2020 02:13 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 01:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  2018 wasn't hand-counted in Georgia. And when Dems asked for a recount, Republicans here were asking the Dems to stop whining and acting like a baby.

Fairvote has looked at statewide recounts since 2000. The average shift in votes has been a mere 430 votes and 0.02 points. The largest shift in votes was a little less than 2,600 and 0.11 points.

It's over. Your guy doesn't even want to govern anymore. He's just doing this to pay off his campaign debts. And save face and his brand name.

Too late, he's already a bigger loser than Carter. It's over.

Donations to Trump's election legal fund...

Quote:However, in the fine print lower on the page, it says 60% will go towards "the retirement of general election debt," and the remaining 40% will go towards the Republican National Committee's operating account. It is customary for national party committees, like the RNC, to be involved in election-related legal battles, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Yup, Trump's just trying to get off one last con before he leaves office.

One last?

What were the others? Link?

latest election map shows President Trump winning, with more votes still to be counted:



Trump: 232
Biden: 227

(11-11-2020 04:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 02:13 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 01:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  2018 wasn't hand-counted in Georgia. And when Dems asked for a recount, Republicans here were asking the Dems to stop whining and acting like a baby.

Fairvote has looked at statewide recounts since 2000. The average shift in votes has been a mere 430 votes and 0.02 points. The largest shift in votes was a little less than 2,600 and 0.11 points.

It's over. Your guy doesn't even want to govern anymore. He's just doing this to pay off his campaign debts. And save face and his brand name.

Too late, he's already a bigger loser than Carter. It's over.

Donations to Trump's election legal fund...

Quote:However, in the fine print lower on the page, it says 60% will go towards "the retirement of general election debt," and the remaining 40% will go towards the Republican National Committee's operating account. It is customary for national party committees, like the RNC, to be involved in election-related legal battles, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Yup, Trump's just trying to get off one last con before he leaves office.

One last?

What were the others? Link?

There arent any. He's like all these other mopes that compare Trump to Hitler or Stalin.

Stalin and Hitler each ordered the deaths of their political enemies, took over the broadcast and print outlets preventing any criticism of their administrations, and utilized the military to kill an estimated 26 million civilians between them. Trump passed a tax cut, renegotiated some international treaties/trade deals, and sometimes tweeted mean things about his enemies. One of these three men is not like the other two.

(11-11-2020 04:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 01:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  2018 wasn't hand-counted in Georgia. And when Dems asked for a recount, Republicans here were asking the Dems to stop whining and acting like a baby.

Fairvote has looked at statewide recounts since 2000. The average shift in votes has been a mere 430 votes and 0.02 points. The largest shift in votes was a little less than 2,600 and 0.11 points.

It's over. Your guy doesn't even want to govern anymore. He's just doing this to pay off his campaign debts. And save face and his brand name.

Too late, he's already a bigger loser than Carter. It's over.

You seem scared this year is different...any recount will be over with in 10 to 14 days and it wont be costing you a penny. Hell you dont even live in GA so why are you so worried about what another state that you did not vote in. Dont pay taxes in, is recounting their votes? Why are you wanting the count stopped? If its as you said then Biden wins the state of GA. and the time it takes to do the recount is not hurting Biden at all.

Not scared at all - Trump is just wasting time and taxes (although some of it is his own money) to delay the inevitable. I just think it's sad you guys were so outraged when Abrams raised a fuss in 2018 (and Clinton in 2016), and it's even worse this time in 2020 with Trump. There is zero credible evidence there was enough shenanigans to change any single state.

Every single state showed similar results. Trump lost votes in the presidential election compared to the House races. The bottom line is that many people couldn't stand him and want a different person to represent the country. But they voted for certain Senate and House candidates in close races. You should be thankful you'll have the Senate (most likely), gained some House seats and have a 6-3 Supreme Court edge.

You've got a 77-year-old (soon to be 78) President who will have McConnell try to defeat him at every single spot he can. He's almost certainly a 1-term fix.

Just accept the inevitable so this country can move on to better things (like ending the Covid pandemic and getting the country's economy back on target).

(11-15-2020 03:53 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  latest election map shows President Trump winning, with more votes still to be counted:



Trump: 232
Biden: 227

Why isn't North Carolina doing a recount? Their margin is less than Nevada, and pretty much on target with PA and MI.

I thought Georgia is the only state doing a recount currently. There are lawsuits in other states protesting certain aspects of the results, but none seem to be large enough in depth to change any results. I'm pretty sure the recount requests have already been dropped in Nevada so there goes your "win".

BTW, House results in Nevada show Dems with a 35K voting edge there so that's actually one of the few states where the margin in the House races is similar to the Presidential results. Biden got 38K more votes than House candidates in that state, and Trump got 36K more votes than Republican House candidates.

It's over - you're just giving Rice a bad name at this point.

(11-15-2020 06:00 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 03:53 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  latest election map shows President Trump winning, with more votes still to be counted:



Trump: 232
Biden: 227

Why isn't North Carolina doing a recount? Their margin is less than Nevada, and pretty much on target with PA and MI.

I thought Georgia is the only state doing a recount currently. There are lawsuits in other states protesting certain aspects of the results, but none seem to be large enough in depth to change any results. I'm pretty sure the recount requests have already been dropped in Nevada so there goes your "win".

BTW, House results in Nevada show Dems with a 35K voting edge there so that's actually one of the few states where the margin in the House races is similar to the Presidential results. Biden got 38K more votes than House candidates in that state, and Trump got 36K more votes than Republican House candidates.

It's over - you're just giving Rice a bad name at this point.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...5570500608

just turn 3 of 4: wi (20k), ga (14k), az (10k), pa (68k)
any combination ...

IT’S DOABLE

Tulane telling us that Trump is wasting time and taxes but is quick to forget the 40 million spent on that fake Mueller investigation. Man, this Demons are so hypocritical they should be ashamed but that's a word that they haven't looked up in the dictionary. Like how a man's word is worth more than gold, you know I'm talking about the renegers of this world.

(11-15-2020 06:43 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 06:00 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 03:53 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  latest election map shows President Trump winning, with more votes still to be counted:



Trump: 232
Biden: 227

Why isn't North Carolina doing a recount? Their margin is less than Nevada, and pretty much on target with PA and MI.

I thought Georgia is the only state doing a recount currently. There are lawsuits in other states protesting certain aspects of the results, but none seem to be large enough in depth to change any results. I'm pretty sure the recount requests have already been dropped in Nevada so there goes your "win".

BTW, House results in Nevada show Dems with a 35K voting edge there so that's actually one of the few states where the margin in the House races is similar to the Presidential results. Biden got 38K more votes than House candidates in that state, and Trump got 36K more votes than Republican House candidates.

It's over - you're just giving Rice a bad name at this point.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...5570500608

just turn 3 of 4: wi (20k), ga (14k), az (10k), pa (68k)
any combination ...

IT’S DOABLE

Sounds like "Send more money, 60% goes not to lawsuits but to my campaign debts"