[quote="ArmyEagle"] There aren't any viruses or spyware for MACs because it's a waste of time to write them.

[quote="SouthGAEagle"] [quote="ArmyEagle"] There aren't any viruses or spyware for MACs because it's a waste of time to write them.

[quote="ArmyEagle"]For people who have no hope of ever understanding the basic internal workings of a computer, a Mac is fine.

ArmyEagle Wrote:For people who have no hope of ever understanding the basic internal workings of a computer, a Mac is fine.

Yeah, because Unix is sooooooo easy. :laugh:

From the sound of your post it looks like YOU have no hope of ever understanding the basic internal workings of a computer.

Ge a Clue!
<a href='http://www.apple.com/macosx/architecture/' target='_blank'>http://www.apple.com/macosx/architecture/</a>

GreenBison Wrote:

Tulsaman Wrote:i like Cheese.

Cheese is good.

But now it's time for me to argue with Muther that Fender is better than Gibson.

Bring it on Muther.... Flying V my arse! (it's all in good fun).

Oh you said you were done responding so I didn't bother rebutting your clearly mistaken assumptions in your last post. :)

BTW I use a Fender right now. I am too busy buliding computers to invest the time in playing a REAL guitar. That and the "V" is a little difficult to just it on your lap and play into the computer you just built which features the latest sound technology and fully integrates guitar software and web-based music.

Don't even try to tell me that you prefer the sound of single pick-ups to the double humbuckers. There is no comparison in the quality of the tone and overall sound accuracy.

PS you going to the game tonight? We should meet down there. I will likely be with murox and I know many of the other posting fans.

SouthGAEagle Wrote:

ArmyEagle Wrote:For people who have no hope of ever understanding the basic internal workings of a computer, a Mac is fine.&nbsp; But if you want more flexibility and compatibility, PCs are your only choice.

Well, guess what... some of us do hope to understand the inner workings of a computer and still want a Mac. I've owned computers since I was 7 years old in 1985. I've taken them apart and put them back together. I know how they work inside and out. Just because I know how to put a PC together doesn't mean I want to. My Mac does everything I need it to and works so much better than any Windoze PC. I can count on one hand the number of times my computer has crashed since I installed Mac OS X. I leave it running for days on end and have no trouble whatsoever. I don't want everything in my life to be a challenge. Sometimes I just want something that works.

I wonder... if Macs are so bad, why do PCs keep copying them? Adding the 3.5" floppy, using a GUI, using a mouse, finger holes around the floppy drive, getting rid of the floppy, multiple monitors, long file names, 802.11 wireless networking, FireWire, cases that open by the side coming down like a door, translucent plastics, colored cases, the genie effect on opening and closing windows (see newest Windows), the list ges on and on.... If you want to know what the PC of a year from now will look like, check out the Mac of today.

The first computer owned in 1983 was a TI POS (piece o' shite)
THe second? In 1985 I built an Apple IIe emulation from components. THis included soldering the motherboard together. After seeing how little work went into those computers and the price they charged for absolutely nothing, I have never gone back. Never will. Not even criminals want to inflitrate MAC's. Don't kid yourself and believe it's cause they can't. It's cause they know where the money is and it is not in the MAC owners. THere aren't enough of them to make it worth the effort. Does this make them elite? No. It makes them an endangered species. Even some of you mentioned that you have to use both because while you prefer the MAC at home, your company is smarter and owns PC's. CUL8R

Well... I'm done with this thread. When a moderator calls me dumb, I figure it's betst to cut my losses.

SouthGAEagle Wrote:Well... I'm done with this thread. When a moderator calls me dumb, I figure it's betst to cut my losses.

lol...I wasn't calling you dumb. There are degrees of smart. That was pretty darn funny though....I was just gigging you guys like Greenbitchin does me.

MUther Wrote:

GreenBison Wrote:

Tulsaman Wrote:i like Cheese.

Cheese is good.

But now it's time for me to argue with Muther that Fender is better than Gibson.

Bring it on Muther.... Flying V my arse! (it's all in good fun).

Oh you said you were done responding so I didn't bother rebutting your clearly mistaken assumptions in your last post. :)

BTW I use a Fender right now. I am too busy buliding computers to invest the time in playing a REAL guitar. That and the "V" is a little difficult to just it on your lap and play into the computer you just built which features the latest sound technology and fully integrates guitar software and web-based music.

Don't even try to tell me that you prefer the sound of single pick-ups to the double humbuckers. There is no comparison in the quality of the tone and overall sound accuracy.

PS you going to the game tonight? We should meet down there. I will likely be with murox and I know many of the other posting fans.

Crap, I just now read this (10:53 Saturday Night). I did go to the game, and a good game it was. Marvin had 20 or 22 points didn't he. If you are going to the OU game let me know. I have tickets with my Dad, so maybe we can meet at half time.

Humbuckers? Single coil all the way baby! :laugh:

MUther Wrote:That&nbsp; and the "V" is a little difficult to just it on your lap and play into the computer you just built which features the latest sound technology and fully integrates guitar software and web-based music.

If you're recording... post something, I'd like to hear it.

Jeez - got hit up with 3 tests and a half dozen chapters first few days back on campus. Now that I'm not drowning... time to catch up.

Quote:But what the hell can an average user do with Linux? NOTHING... no Photoshop, no Illustrator, no Flash, no Final Cut, no Logic, no FreeHand, nothing..... there's Gimp (a designer will laugh their ****** off when they find out it doesn't support CMYK).

ROFL. My Linux distro comes with over 5,000 free software packages. You name what you are wanting to run, I'll show you the Linux software / equivalent / port for it. And I have Flash (plugin and development version) on my Linux box. So I dunno where in the hell the "no flash" came from.

Quote:Linux is a cheap windows copy.

That's absurd and laughable. Completely different philosophy. Completely different approach. Completely different implementation. Completely different performance levels and results.

Quote:Instead of changing things Linux chose to replicate to make free.

Once again laughable. I dunno how you derive this conclusion.

Quote:Your custom built p4 ****** box might (and that's just taking your word for it) be faster than a 64bit G5

Oh, it is faster. Don't forget ALOT cheaper, either.

Quote:but you still have to make 5 mouse clicks to every 1 mouse click a Mac user makes because your UI is hideous.

There is nothing more annoying or horrible then finding your mouse only has one button, and you must use a completely menu driven GUI. The Mandrake Linux interface is clean, crisp, easy to use, efficient, reliable, and effective. In fact, here's a screenshot of my box:
<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/temp/gts-screenshot.gif' target='_blank'>http://www.ncaabbs.com/temp/gts-screenshot.gif</a>

Quote:The only thing you can do is compile code, play some games (which Mac users don't do anyway), type in open office, and run some high end 3d rendering software that costs about $20,000. Enjoy your linux box, I'll enjoy never having to configure or install drivers or never having to spend 12 hours on Linux message boards finding out why I can't import Firewire video from my new sony camcorder.

If you have driver troubles, then you are choosing to use a distro where all but the most essential drivers have been taken out to make the most efficient and powerful kernel for server use. I have NEVER HAD ANY DRIVER TROUBLE WHATSOEVER IN MANDRAKE LINUX. Installing nVidia drivers to get full-on 3d support for gaming etc took 20 seconds, and I didn't even have to reboot the computer. I also have a Firewire Printer, USB QuickCam, Wireless USB mouse, Plug and Play gamepad, and box frontend ports that were ALL seamlessly recognized and supported at installation. To say you can't do much of anything in Linux is laughable. I have programming environments, development environments, calculus environments much better than the Maple I am forced to use in college, graphics development programs, video development programs. You name it, and I have it or can install it easily. Where are you getting this stuff? What was your futile attempt at Linux... did you dive right into something like Slackware and drown?

Quote:Your living in a dream world, while you're at it why don't you build your own custom car and tell everyone on here how your linux car is better and faster than everyone elses. And leave out the fact that 95% of all car owners want and need a warranty and that you can't get one with the Linux car.

How does a car relate to a computer? You're suffering from a logical fallacy. Might I add that under this hypothetical fallacy you've created, Linux would be the car that lasted and didn't fall to crap after 100,000 miles with intentional design flaws to force you to upgrade, buy more, and fall deeper into rabbit hole.

Quote:****** man, don't you see the differences between the "build it yourself" hobbyists and the "buy it yourself" pros that don't want to worry about all the ****** that you think is great. Guys like you get off on man pages and compiling code and wallowing waist deep in Linux User Groups troubleshooting your system. Everyone else in the world DOESN'T, we just want to get our work done without all the headaches. My Mac doesn't crash, my Mac has all the software that I need, my Mac works with all the peripherals that I buy without any 3rd party downloads or installs. That's what I value, your values are obviously different.

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't draw erroneous assumptions about me thanks. Once again, I dunno what if any experience you've had in Linux, but evidently if you even bothered to try it, it must have been a disto designed for server use. Mandrake Linux has never crashed on me. It has all the software I need pre-installed or waiting in packages to be easily installed in 10 seconds with one mouse click. Oh, and guess what.... I didn't have to pay an outrageous sum to get that. Not only does it work BETTER AND FASTER than your Macintosh, but it was free. I value open source, its values, its efficiency, and its ease of use, and its effectiveness. You evidently desire paying a few thousand dollars for an inferior computer just to have an Apple on it. Premium on inferior hardware and software. Nothing more. I also find it funny your holy grail that is Macintosh had to give up on its own OS and instead resort to whoring UNIX code w/o supporting open source, while providing a GUI frontend to make the ignorant average user thing its the same thing.

Quote:Oh and talking about prices.... on that list of super computers where the G5 cluster is the third fastest, it's also the cheapest on the entire list. The third fastest computer in the world (G5 Cluster )cost $5.1 mil while the #1 fastest cost $300 mil and the #2 machine cost $270 mil.

Yawn. I checked on that... that's a best guess. Many supercomputers are funded by the government, and their specs and cost are not fully released. However, IBM has their "next-generation" supercomputer in the works. IBM hasn't put out a serious supercomputer in sometime, but the word is it would be cheaper than the Macintosh (surprise, surprise) and also faster (surprise, surprise). Most of the supercomputers on the Top 500 were built between 1998 and early 2003... BEFORE computer prices took their plummet. Apple's laugher is the newest of the bunch, so they have an advantage in this area due to the market conditions at time of release.

Bottom line:
Linux is faster than Macintosh.
Linux is cheaper than Macintosh.
Linux is rapidly becoming more widely used than Macintosh.
Linux is on its way to ousting Winblowz NT and Server 2003 in the server market.
Linux, when using the right distro, is more power, effective, efficient, and user friendly than Macintosh.
You show me a Macintosh, I'll show you a SIGNIFICANTLY faster and cheaper Linux box.

The end. Thanks for playing, here is a copy of our home game.

GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY!

ArmyEagle Wrote:As I said before, why would a virus writer waste his time writing a virus that would only affect, what, 5% of computer users?

For people who have no hope of ever understanding the basic internal workings of a computer, a Mac is fine. But if you want more flexibility and compatibility, PCs are your only choice.

Due to the setup of Linux (UNIX), viruses have extreme minimal effect -- if any. My penguin laughs at virus threats.

And yes, a PC is the way to go if you want to learn more. Mandrake Linux even has something called "Mandrake School" where they have free online "classes" you can take at your leisure to learn more about Linux and how it works.

Mandrake Linux and a few other distros (RH, to an extent Gentoo, SuSE) make Linux a solution for the average computer user. ESPECIALLY Mandrake. I somewhat bought into the whole "Linux is for hardcore experts" conception. Then I tried out Mandrake Linux.... omg... it was so easy. Didn't give me any trouble. Configured everything for me. No crashes. No hassle. No paying $3,500 for an inferior product.

wow, how did i miss this thread? haha

umm are apple products horrendously overpriced? YES!

is it worth it? well, that depends on what you know and like. for me, yes.

overall is the g5 slower than the best intel and amd have to offer? yep

did apple make a giant leap in the right direction by switching to ibm as their main chip provider, HECK YEAH!! moto has held apple back imho. from what i've seen so far moving to ibm is a going to be great for apple

all the *nix users and apple users should get together and fight against a common enemy, not bicker amongst each other! let us unite to poop on bill gates!



:D

Quote:But what the hell can an average user do with Linux? NOTHING... no Photoshop, no Illustrator, no Flash, no Final Cut, no Logic, no FreeHand, nothing..... there's Gimp (a designer will laugh their ****** off when they find out it doesn't support CMYK).

Quote:ROFL. My Linux distro comes with over 5,000 free software packages. You name what you are wanting to run, I'll show you the Linux software / equivalent / port for it. And I have Flash (plugin and development version) on my Linux box. So I dunno where in the hell the "no flash" came from.

I meant Flash the development software not the free player. Where's the equivalent/port for Photoshop (has to have CMYK support) where's the equivalent for Illustrator and FreeHand, Final Cut Pro, Logic? Need I go on?

Quote:Linux is a cheap windows copy.

[quote]That's absurd and laughable.

GreenBison Wrote:1) Doesn't Linux have a similar UI.... startmenu and such?

2) Linux just copied Windoze and made a free version. Instead of taking the opportunity to change everthhing.

3) Prove it.

4) My mouse has 3 buttons and a scroll wheel... and I didn't have to install a driver for it either

5) Driver? What's a driver? I've never installed one

6) OOPS! You can't fix it yourself, unless you spend 4 months reading manuals.

7) Whoring? Here's your free OS from Apple...
<a href='http://developer.apple.com/darwin/' target='_blank'>http://developer.apple.com/darwin/</a>

8)&nbsp; You do realize that IBM makes the G5 for Apple don't you?

1) You are showing you don't know as much about Linux as one might infer. Linux has many GUI frontends, among which is the WindowMaker setup, which is nothing more than tiny boxes you can add/remove and customize.

2) That's such a joke. Kernels? Independent development? Open source? What planet are you from? Did Gates himself give you that theory?

3) Pony up a G5 and a smoke it in benchmarks and DC work unit time. Oh yea, and be around 33% to 75% cheaper.

4) Had to go out and buy a non-apple mouse huh? And congrats, I didn't do drivers either. Call us Linux folks crazy, but we like the distro to take care of all that when we install it.

5) Way to tip toe around my point and avoid it all-together.

6) For you to fix it would be to assume it would need fixing. :) On the off chance you're on a server-oriented distro... that's why there are forums with linux experts and Google... to help people like you who are picking distros at random.

7) Yes whoring. They do NOTHING for open source. They are showing the code because they are REQUIRED TO by GNU Public Free Liscense Policy. And once again... if Apple is so good... why do they have to abandon their own OS to whore Unix? To quote that website..

Quote: Beneath the appealing, easy-to-use interface of Mac OS X is a rock-solid foundation that is engineered for stability, reliability, and performance.

They need a footnote: ... that WASN'T DESIGNED AT ALL BY APPLE and is being taken by us to make profit without contributing back to the open source community unless it serves to directly fulfill our own needs.

8) You do realize that more IBM resources go toward SuSe Linux and open source development, don't you?

I see you couldn't refute the bottom line, other than a poor attempt at a wrong stereotype, so I consider this a case closed.

[quote="ArmyEagle"] [QUOTE=ArmyEagle,Jan 16 2004, 06:50 PM] There aren't any viruses or spyware for MACs because it's a waste of time to write them.

GreenBison Wrote:

ArmyEagle,Jan 16 2004, 08:11 PM Wrote:[QUOTE=ArmyEagle,Jan 16 2004, 06:50 PM] There aren't any viruses or spyware for MACs because it's a waste of time to write them. Not many MACs to infect.

That would be because Windows has the tendancey to leave "holes" open in their OS by default. It has nothing to do with market share.

Check out the Netcraft Top 10 Hosting OS article.... 7 were BSD, 1 was Linux, & 1 was Windows.

<a href='http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/01/11/inetu_most_reliable_hosting_company_site_during_h2_2003.html' target='_blank'>http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/01/...ng_h2_2003.html</a>

Why do you think that is? Maybe it's because of security reasons and that BSD is considered the most sercure OS in the world.

Did you know that the Mac OS is based off of BSD?

What was that you were saying about viruses and marketshare?

FreeBSD / OpenBSD is nothing more than a security optimized version of UNIX. Linux shares a fair amount in common with FreeBSD and OpenBSD it's just setup so that the user can use it for any number of applications, including server use and personal use. For a desktop user to run FreeBSD or OpenBSD would be very boring for the end user, seeing as how he'd be able to do almost nothing for secruity setup reasons.

Also notice how there are ZERO Macintosh computers. Hmmmm. Wonder why.

[quote="georgia_tech_swagger"] [quote="GreenBison"] 1) Doesn't Linux have a similar UI.... startmenu and such?

2) Linux just copied Windoze and made a free version. Instead of taking the opportunity to change everthhing.

3) Prove it.

4) My mouse has 3 buttons and a scroll wheel... and I didn't have to install a driver for it either

5) Driver? What's a driver? I've never installed one

6) OOPS! You can't fix it yourself, unless you spend 4 months reading manuals.

7) Whoring? Here's your free OS from Apple...
<a href='http://developer.apple.com/darwin/' target='_blank'>http://developer.apple.com/darwin/</a>

8)

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

GreenBison,Jan 18 2004, 02:23 AM Wrote:

ArmyEagle,Jan 16 2004, 08:11 PM Wrote:[QUOTE=ArmyEagle,Jan 16 2004, 06:50 PM] There aren't any viruses or spyware for MACs because it's a waste of time to write them. Not many MACs to infect.

That would be because Windows has the tendancey to leave "holes" open in their OS by default. It has nothing to do with market share.

Check out the Netcraft Top 10 Hosting OS article.... 7 were BSD, 1 was Linux, & 1 was Windows.

<a href='http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/01/11/inetu_most_reliable_hosting_company_site_during_h2_2003.html' target='_blank'>http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/01/...ng_h2_2003.html</a>

Why do you think that is? Maybe it's because of security reasons and that BSD is considered the most sercure OS in the world.

Did you know that the Mac OS is based off of BSD?

What was that you were saying about viruses and marketshare?

FreeBSD / OpenBSD is nothing more than a security optimized version of UNIX. Linux shares a fair amount in common with FreeBSD and OpenBSD it's just setup so that the user can use it for any number of applications, including server use and personal use. For a desktop user to run FreeBSD or OpenBSD would be very boring for the end user, seeing as how he'd be able to do almost nothing for secruity setup reasons.

Also notice how there are ZERO Macintosh computers. Hmmmm. Wonder why.

BSD! Einstein!