I like the hire. Great to see.


ACC is staring down the barrel of a $40 million revenue gap and the big ideas are division changes/schedule changes.

Next up.....bake sales.

For all the years of calling out the revenue gap, I STILL don't think folks get the situation. Swofford definitely didn't (and didn't care).....but I think ACC is forced to think much bigger. I don't know what that looks like, but minor tweaks are laughable at this point.

(12-14-2020 09:26 PM)nole Wrote:  I like the hire. Great to see.


ACC is staring down the barrel of a $40 million revenue gap and the big ideas are division changes/schedule changes.

Next up.....bake sales.

For all the years of calling out the revenue gap, I STILL don't think folks get the situation. Swofford definitely didn't (and didn't care).....but I think ACC is forced to think much bigger. I don't know what that looks like, but mirror tweaks are laughable at this point.

I am thinking more a Catalina Wine Mixer event to boast revenue.


I agree that something drastic needs to happen otherwise the divide between the ACC and SEC will be vast( already is). The ACC is undervalued now but really handcuffed it seems. I have no grand ideas to bridge the problem.

(12-14-2020 09:32 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 09:26 PM)nole Wrote:  I like the hire. Great to see.


ACC is staring down the barrel of a $40 million revenue gap and the big ideas are division changes/schedule changes.

Next up.....bake sales.

For all the years of calling out the revenue gap, I STILL don't think folks get the situation. Swofford definitely didn't (and didn't care).....but I think ACC is forced to think much bigger. I don't know what that looks like, but mirror tweaks are laughable at this point.

I am thinking more a Catalina Wine Mixer event to boast revenue.


I agree that something drastic needs to happen otherwise the divide between the ACC and SEC will be vast( already is). The ACC is undervalued now but really handcuffed it seems. I have no grand ideas to bridge the problem.

lol. Like it.

My ideas are more like hail mary's. Maybe shoot for a merger with BIG! 10.

They want UNC, UVA, etc already. But try to roll into their TV contract and give them games in the Southeast with southern talent inroads.

Not likely. Basically the P2 are too smart to take on dead weight, so it won't happen. But some kind of merger is all I got.

I don't see how ACC, Big 12, or the Pac 12 survive beyond just being alive, but cut off at the knees competitively.

Penn State, Texas, and Michigan make a lot of money. How are they doing athletically?

(12-14-2020 09:48 PM)nole Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 09:32 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(12-14-2020 09:26 PM)nole Wrote:  I like the hire. Great to see.


ACC is staring down the barrel of a $40 million revenue gap and the big ideas are division changes/schedule changes.

Next up.....bake sales.

For all the years of calling out the revenue gap, I STILL don't think folks get the situation. Swofford definitely didn't (and didn't care).....but I think ACC is forced to think much bigger. I don't know what that looks like, but mirror tweaks are laughable at this point.

I am thinking more a Catalina Wine Mixer event to boast revenue.


I agree that something drastic needs to happen otherwise the divide between the ACC and SEC will be vast( already is). The ACC is undervalued now but really handcuffed it seems. I have no grand ideas to bridge the problem.

lol. Like it.

My ideas are more like hail mary's. Maybe shoot for a merger with BIG! 10.

They want UNC, UVA, etc already. But try to roll into their TV contract and give them games in the Southeast with southern talent inroads.

Not likely. Basically the P2 are too smart to take on dead weight, so it won't happen. But some kind of merger is all I got.

I don't see how ACC, Big 12, or the Pac 12 survive beyond just being alive, but cut off at the knees competitively.

In my opinion what is needed is ND in full and Texas and friends. That is the definition of a hail mary but it would close the gap big time. But that is a incredible longshot.


Being alive ain't bad though, just as long as you're not just existing to exist.

Expansion has always been about tv market money. Of course ND and Texas would be top of the list. I don’t think ND will ever become FT, therefore I think Texas will want the same deal. The Big 12 schools will be key for expansion for the ACC if it comes to that. I think there is more money to be had within our current setup. The current schools need to capitalize on premium games. If it does come to expansion the only tv markets in the Big 12 that bring revenue are Texas and Texas Tech after that Houston brings more tv money than any other Big 12 school then Oklahoma. UCF is higher than Oklahoma but the ACC already has that market.

Meh. The ship has already hit the iceberg and is taking on water. How fast can the new captain bail is the question.

The best thing is it's not another in-bred NC country club hire.

The only way the ACC can prosper is to expand. When the Big12 contract ends, the ACC invites in 6 more schools from:. The Big12, Notre Dame, Cincy and Houston.

It would be best to have a clean 20 FT members. The ACC should build 4 Pods of 5 teams. It would get messy with part-time ND and UT thrown in with 18-20 FT members.

If either UT or OU are not part of this....it won't work as well...but we could still look to grab the best of the rest at a slight bump. ESPN would pay to grab some schools from FOX.

There are a lot of good suggestions as to what the ACC should do to increase dollar inflow. Since we know the folks that are now making more money aren't going to sit around idly, what are they going to do. More specifically, where does the B1G go to find expansion candidates should the ACC and SEC try to increase their numbers?
Is Texas too far? Colorado taken from the PAC? A raid of the ACC? Can they wrestle Missouri away from the SEC?
Keep in mind that for at least the next three years, the B1G is out earning the SEC by a wide margin too.

(12-15-2020 01:21 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The only way the ACC can prosper is to expand. When the Big12 contract ends, the ACC invites in 6 more schools from:. The Big12, Notre Dame, Cincy and Houston.

It would be best to have a clean 20 FT members. The ACC should build 4 Pods of 5 teams. It would get messy with part-time ND and UT thrown in with 18-20 FT members.

If either UT or OU are not part of this....it won't work as well...but we could still look to grab the best of the rest at a slight bump. ESPN would pay to grab some schools from FOX.

I think this is the right answer, except a hard no to non P5 schools. Take 5 big12 plus ND or take 6 big12. Texas, OU, T. Boone Pickens U, Kansas, Iowa State, and either WVU or ND.

(12-15-2020 01:21 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The only way the ACC can prosper is to expand. When the Big12 contract ends, the ACC invites in 6 more schools from:. The Big12, Notre Dame, Cincy and Houston.

It would be best to have a clean 20 FT members. The ACC should build 4 Pods of 5 teams. It would get messy with part-time ND and UT thrown in with 18-20 FT members.

If either UT or OU are not part of this....it won't work as well...but we could still look to grab the best of the rest at a slight bump. ESPN would pay to grab some schools from FOX.

do I hear 24 ...
30 ...
48 ...

GOING GOING GONE

Expansion got the ACC the lowest payout.

Most schools don't carry their own weight. They have allowed the ACC to renegotiate, but the ACC sucks at that and then they are stuck with more dead weight.

Unless it's Texas and/or ND, nobody puts a dent in the revenue gap. I don't even think ND alone would save the ACC in this area.

(12-15-2020 09:29 AM)nole Wrote:  Expansion got the ACC the lowest payout.

Most schools don't carry their own weight. They have allowed the ACC to renegotiate, but the ACC sucks at that and then they are stuck with more dead weight.

Unless it's Texas and/or ND, nobody puts a dent in the revenue gap. I don't even think ND alone would save the ACC in this area.

One thing ND added was more interesting games. The ratings for the games were great and delivered some incredible value for ESPN. If we joined it would solidify the ACC as 3rd in the pecking order.

I stole these numbers off another site. But the numbers are stark when comparing year to year. The
2019

CONFERENCE TOTAL Viewing
470.99 - SEC (109)
404.90 - Big Ten (120)
232.02 - Big 12 (101)
198.53 - ACC (76)
189.93 - Pac 12 (97)
87.64 - AAC (65)
32.76 - MWC (43)
20.84 - MAC (30)
19.19 - CUSA (17)
11.64 - Sun Belt (17)

PER GAME AVERAGE
4.32 - SEC
3.37 - Big Ten
2.61 - ACC
2.30 - Big 12
1.96 - Pac 12
1.35 - AAC
1.13 - CUSA
0.76 - MWC
0.69 - MAC
0.68 - Sun Belt

2020
CONFERENCE TOTAL viewing
201.84 - SEC (56)
174.44 - ACC (56)
144.80 - Big Ten (52)
141.11 - Big 12 (87)
54.72 - Pac 12 (44)
41.24 - AAC (52)
23.89 - Sun Belt (39)
8.40 - MWC (21)
7.80 - MAC (14)
7.07 - CUSA (15)

PER GAME AVERAGE
3.60 - SEC
3.12 - ACC
2.78 - Big Ten
1.62 - Big 12
1.24 - Pac 12
0.79 - AAC
0.61 - Sun Belt
0.56 - MAC
0.47 - CUSA
0.40 - MWC

The ACC could be number two. But the dang contract though hurts.

The ACC has to get their better brands playing more often. To hell with old rivalries. Nobody cares that Dook and GT have played every year since the 20s. FSU/UNC, Clem/VT, Clem/Miami, VT/FSU.....all need to play more often.

The only real rivalries in this conferences that need to be played annually are NCSU/UNC, Va/VT and FSU/Miami and of those only the FSU/Miami game means anything to TV. To hell with these artificial "forced" rivalries that are played at the expense of games people outside of the ACC's footprint will actually watch.

The divisional setup is beyond stupid and is a prime example of the ACC's old way of thinking that needs to change.

(12-15-2020 09:56 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  The ACC has to get their better brands playing more often. To hell with old rivalries. Nobody cares that Dook and GT have played every year since the 20s. FSU/UNC, Clem/VT, Clem/Miami, VT/FSU.....all need to play more often.

The only real rivalries in this conferences that need to be played annually are NCSU/UNC, Va/VT and FSU/Miami and of those only the FSU/Miami game means anything to TV. To hell with these artificial "forced" rivalries that are played at the expense of games people outside of the ACC's footprint will actually watch.

The divisional setup is beyond stupid and is a prime example of the ACC's old way of thinking that needs to change.

And yet you left the best conference football rivalry of the last 20 years off that list.

(12-15-2020 10:01 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 09:56 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  The ACC has to get their better brands playing more often. To hell with old rivalries. Nobody cares that Dook and GT have played every year since the 20s. FSU/UNC, Clem/VT, Clem/Miami, VT/FSU.....all need to play more often.

The only real rivalries in this conferences that need to be played annually are NCSU/UNC, Va/VT and FSU/Miami and of those only the FSU/Miami game means anything to TV. To hell with these artificial "forced" rivalries that are played at the expense of games people outside of the ACC's footprint will actually watch.

The divisional setup is beyond stupid and is a prime example of the ACC's old way of thinking that needs to change.

And yet you left the best conference football rivalry of the last 20 years off that list.

Which one is that? GT vs Clemson? Fine...keep that one too.

(12-15-2020 10:02 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 10:01 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 09:56 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  The ACC has to get their better brands playing more often. To hell with old rivalries. Nobody cares that Dook and GT have played every year since the 20s. FSU/UNC, Clem/VT, Clem/Miami, VT/FSU.....all need to play more often.

The only real rivalries in this conferences that need to be played annually are NCSU/UNC, Va/VT and FSU/Miami and of those only the FSU/Miami game means anything to TV. To hell with these artificial "forced" rivalries that are played at the expense of games people outside of the ACC's footprint will actually watch.

The divisional setup is beyond stupid and is a prime example of the ACC's old way of thinking that needs to change.

And yet you left the best conference football rivalry of the last 20 years off that list.

Which one is that? GT vs Clemson? Fine...keep that one too.

I think he means UNC/Miami


......or perhaps Clemson/FSU.

I’m fine with the hire, and I’m hoping our guy can convince the Big Ten to help rid this landscape of the division requirement. That would be a huge boon for TV games. I am also in favor of an unbalanced schedule, as in I don’t care if BC plays Georgia Tech or Louisville plays Duke on a perfect rotation. The schedule should be modeled after the schedules of the olden days, the golden days of yore. In those days, only the games that mattered were scheduled, or made sense travel-wise. In this case, it can be based around TV and regions.

Finally, WE DON’T NEED SIX MORE SCHOOLS!!!! The ingredients are here, let’s maximize them.

(12-15-2020 07:41 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 01:21 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The only way the ACC can prosper is to expand. When the Big12 contract ends, the ACC invites in 6 more schools from:. The Big12, Notre Dame, Cincy and Houston.

It would be best to have a clean 20 FT members. The ACC should build 4 Pods of 5 teams. It would get messy with part-time ND and UT thrown in with 18-20 FT members.

If either UT or OU are not part of this....it won't work as well...but we could still look to grab the best of the rest at a slight bump. ESPN would pay to grab some schools from FOX.

I think this is the right answer, except a hard no to non P5 schools. Take 5 big12 plus ND or take 6 big12. Texas, OU, T. Boone Pickens U, Kansas, Iowa State, and either WVU or ND.

Both Cincy and Houston have spent time in big conferences. I wouldn't dismiss them summarily out of hand, who knows the future in 3-5 years.

I kinda like:
Notre Dame
Texas
OU
Kansas
And 2 more from:
TCU, Baylor
OSU, Texas Tech
WVU, Cincy, Houston

If TX and OU come in (absolute dream scenario). I'd give them carte blanche to build their 5 team Pod.

(12-15-2020 11:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 07:41 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 01:21 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The only way the ACC can prosper is to expand. When the Big12 contract ends, the ACC invites in 6 more schools from:. The Big12, Notre Dame, Cincy and Houston.

It would be best to have a clean 20 FT members. The ACC should build 4 Pods of 5 teams. It would get messy with part-time ND and UT thrown in with 18-20 FT members.

If either UT or OU are not part of this....it won't work as well...but we could still look to grab the best of the rest at a slight bump. ESPN would pay to grab some schools from FOX.

I think this is the right answer, except a hard no to non P5 schools. Take 5 big12 plus ND or take 6 big12. Texas, OU, T. Boone Pickens U, Kansas, Iowa State, and either WVU or ND.

Both Cincy and Houston have spent time in big conferences. I wouldn't dismiss them summarily out of hand, who knows the future in 3-5 years.

I kinda like:
Notre Dame
Texas
OU
Kansas
And 2 more from:
TCU, Baylor
OSU, Texas Tech
WVU, Cincy, Houston

If TX and OU come in (absolute dream scenario). I'd give them carte blanche to build their 5 team Pod.

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