(05-04-2021 11:01 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote: Or there will be the people that got the vaccine who will chose not to attend large events until the vaccine rate reaches herd immunity. If the unvaccinated want to risk it, have at it.
What's the purpose of getting the vaccine if you don't intend to to return to prior normalcy, like attending events? And don't forget those who actually have had Covid-19, the studies I've seen indicate they generally have a more robust antibody immunity than provided by the vaccine?
A study released just yesterday says mRNA Covid vaccines produce more robust antibodies than natural infection. Much higher is how they describe it and confer cross-reactivity effective on new variants. They have always said natural infected people can be re-infected with the same strain and are particularly vulnerable with new variants.
"MRNA vaccine induced antibodies levels are spectacular and appear rapidly in days after vaccination" PhD Philip Feigner, director of Vaccine R&D Center at Univ of California, Irvine. The vaccination results have far exceeded any dream we had.
And there are a significant number of break through cases associated with those who have been vaccinated. What is that study that was released yesterday that says vaccination confers better antibody protection? And BTW, I'm not anti-vac at all but I am skeptical of studies by anyone associated with vaccines who are pushing vaccination benefits over natural immunity.
There will be "break through" cases for sure. The efficacy is estimated at 95% (Moderna & Pfizer). So 5% is a real number. I'm not sure why this seems to surprise the media so much that they have a story on each one they stumble across.
(05-04-2021 11:11 AM)Atlanta Wrote: What's the purpose of getting the vaccine if you don't intend to to return to prior normalcy, like attending events? And don't forget those who actually have had Covid-19, the studies I've seen indicate they generally have a more robust antibody immunity than provided by the vaccine?
A study released just yesterday says mRNA Covid vaccines produce more robust antibodies than natural infection. Much higher is how they describe it and confer cross-reactivity effective on new variants. They have always said natural infected people can be re-infected with the same strain and are particularly vulnerable with new variants.
"MRNA vaccine induced antibodies levels are spectacular and appear rapidly in days after vaccination" PhD Philip Feigner, director of Vaccine R&D Center at Univ of California, Irvine. The vaccination results have far exceeded any dream we had.
And there are a significant number of break through cases associated with those who have been vaccinated. What is that study that was released yesterday that says vaccination confers better antibody protection? And BTW, I'm not anti-vac at all but I am skeptical of studies by anyone associated with vaccines who are pushing vaccination benefits over natural immunity.
There will be "break through" cases for sure. The efficacy is estimated at 95% (Moderna & Pfizer). So 5% is a real number. I'm not sure why this seems to surprise the media so much that they have a story on each one they stumble across.
It's the media, whipping up emotion sells.
There is a small number of breakthrough cases recorded , nationwide. As of late April, California has about 1400. Not too bad.
Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have identified 5,800 cases of breakthrough infections among vaccinated people, agency spokeswoman Jasmine Reed said in an email. They represent a tiny fraction of the 75 million people in the United States who are fully vaccinated, Reed said. The agency is not currently providing a state-by-state breakdown of the cases.
“All of the available vaccines have been proven effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalizations, and deaths,” Reed wrote in an email. “However, like is seen with other vaccines, we expect thousands of vaccine breakthrough cases will occur even though the vaccine is working as expected.”
The breakthrough cases were found among people of all ages eligible for vaccination, Reed said. Nearly two-thirds of the identified cases were in women, 29% of the cases were asymptomatic, and just 7% were known to be hospitalized. Seventy-four of the people died, representing about 1% of the breakthrough cases, according to the CDC data.
(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote: At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.
Those of us who don't take the vaccine understand the situation.
Just don't expect a lot of compassion if they find out the vaccine causes a myriad of other issues, in 5 years from now.
What kind of issues?
Hormonal issues. They are being documented now.
I didn't stumble on this information online, women who were vaccinated several months ago came into my store with problems. So I researched the correlation between vaccines and bleeding and found new evidence just now coming to light.
Women's Doctors are seeing more and more patients with heavy bleeding-- bleeding disorders are worsening in young and old women alike. it all boils down to this: Inflammatory cells triggered by the vaccine could affect hormones.
More info than men would ever want to know is here:
Women might be the canaries in the coal mine, but men's hormones will also be affected.
This vaccine is apparently changing basic human hormone production. Estrogen levels are up in some already. And they already know sperm count drops after the vaccination. How long the drop lasts and what effects this might have in men on their testosterone production in the long run...welp who knows..... lol
Come to think of it less testosterone in the long run might be a good thing for some men.
And people will learn the true meaning of survival of the fittest. Hint: it has nothing to do with fitness
(05-04-2021 04:27 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote: CA just reported that Shelby County is dropping the mask mandate and business restrictions next week
From the article:
Quote:“I’m slowly coming over to the side of the governor who says this has now transitioned away from a public health emergency where we have to mandate all sorts of things for the public health and is now becoming a matter of public health concern where we should be giving recommendations and guidance, but letting individuals make choices for themselves,” said Jon McCullers, the senior associate dean for clinical affairs within the College of Medicine at UTHSC.
(05-04-2021 12:39 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: standing by January
Dave Champion has been discussing Covid since it began.
He's a very intelligent guy who has been keeping up with it in the news...and he talks about it here.
He's a PhD, and he is a former Army Ranger, with a background as a weapons instructor? I believe.
He has written books about taxes and personal health.
What creds does this guy have to speak on herd immunity?
what creds does Bill Gates have?
This guy at least has a PhD.
You are looking at his outward appearance, and not listening to what he has to say.
Appearances as they say... can be deceiving.
He has written a book about body health called "Body Science"... so he has some medical knowledge.
His PhD is in political philosophy. I am a veteran and I have my own ink so no I am not “judging the cover”. I stopped listening at 2 mins in not for his appearance but his argument. He states herd immunity was reached in January without providing any details and then launches into the COVID neurosis network (CNN) bashing. He is putting his doctorate to use, just not in the way you think.
details provided in an earlier video made this year
(05-04-2021 10:27 AM)dcg141 Wrote: Some MLB teams are wanting to require a vaccine card to attend games and the states are telling them they can't. Buffalo's professional teams sent out a statement and Cuomo shot back that they can't. Texas and FL has or is going to pass legislation that you can't. Lawyers are saying they can. There is a supreme court case from the polio vaccine they ruled in favor of public safety. Just wonder how far this will go and be played out in court.
(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote: At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.
Those of us who don't take the vaccine understand the situation.
Just don't expect a lot of compassion if they find out the vaccine causes a myriad of other issues, in 5 years from now.
What kind of issues?
I don't know. The vaccine just came out a couple of months ago, after being tested for a couple of months.
(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote: At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.
Those of us who don't take the vaccine understand the situation.
Just don't expect a lot of compassion if they find out the vaccine causes a myriad of other issues, in 5 years from now.
What kind of issues?
Hormonal issues. They are being documented now.
I didn't stumble on this information online, women who were vaccinated several months ago came into my store with problems. So I researched the correlation between vaccines and bleeding and found new evidence just now coming to light.
Women's Doctors are seeing more and more patients with heavy bleeding-- bleeding disorders are worsening in young and old women alike. it all boils down to this: Inflammatory cells triggered by the vaccine could affect hormones.
More info than men would ever want to know is here:
Women might be the canaries in the coal mine, but men's hormones will also be affected.
This vaccine is apparently changing basic human hormone production. Estrogen levels are up in some already. And they already know sperm count drops after the vaccination. How long the drop lasts and what effects this might have in men on their testosterone production in the long run...welp who knows..... lol
Come to think of it less testosterone in the long run might be a good thing for some men.
(05-04-2021 02:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:
(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote: At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work.
The simple truth is vaccines take YEARS of study to discover all the long term effects.
They just created these in the last 12 months, and have had far less time than that for robust clinical trials and have NOT had sufficient time to fully study long term side effects.
There ARE unknown risks for healthy young people who really do not need a vaccine at all. There are fertility questions, questions of birth defects and other factors we do not fully know about yet.
The "shut up and get the shot" people are totally out of line. If you feel comfortable taking one then do so, but stop trying to bully others into it.
There are completely legit questions and concerns about rushed, unknown vaccines that have not yet gone through the full range of study and test. These have been rush and push out in record time.
As time passes and more study on these brand new rushed vaccines become available, more people will be willing to take them. But trying to bully everyone into taking them right out of the gate and threatening to take away their freedoms is as unamerican as it gets.
Its a disturbing and growing trend in our culture.
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2021 04:37 AM by thagr82008.)
(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote: At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do not expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.
(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote: At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do not expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.
I got my Covid shots, but I never gave two shiats if someone got the flu shot or not?
Does that weigh on you heavily every year? How do you feel about those that get Pertussis? Do you blame them as well for their choices? You must have a ton of time to worry about diseases and sickly people.
I don't care if you vaccine or not, but I'm not going to be "I told you so" if you get sick.
(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote: At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do not expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.
I got my Covid shots, but I never gave two shiats if someone got the flu shot or not?
Does that weigh on you heavily every year? How do you feel about those that get Pertussis? Do you blame them as well for their choices? You must have a ton of time to worry about diseases and sickly people.
I don't care if you vaccine or not, but I'm not going to be "I told you so" if you get sic
I will pray for you.
1. I don't care if one gets a flu shot every year or not. Nor does it bother me in the least if someone gets the flu. VERY FEW WHO WHO GET THE FLU WILL DIE FROM IT, AND IT DOES SPREAD AS RAPIDLY AS COVID-19'
2. No, it does not weigh heavily every year. I do not worry about diseases and sickly people. I do offer sincere prayers for those whom I know that are ill. I will continue to do so (including those who suffer from Covid).
3. Where did I even insinuate I would tell anyone "I told you so"? I have many of my friends who will not take the vaccine. That is their decision to make. I am good with anyone who is opposed to getting the vaccine, as long as they have studied the issue and made an informed decision.
If your praying for me is sincere, thank you. But if not, please do not denigrate the acts of prayer for others.
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2021 04:46 PM by bbqtiger.)
(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote: At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work.
The simple truth is vaccines take YEARS of study to discover all the long term effects.
They just created these in the last 12 months, and have had far less time than that for robust clinical trials and have NOT had sufficient time to fully study long term side effects.
There ARE unknown risks for healthy young people who really do not need a vaccine at all. There are fertility questions, questions of birth defects and other factors we do not fully know about yet.
The "shut up and get the shot" people are totally out of line. If you feel comfortable taking one then do so, but stop trying to bully others into it.
There are completely legit questions and concerns about rushed, unknown vaccines that have not yet gone through the full range of study and test. These have been rush and push out in record time.
As time passes and more study on these brand new rushed vaccines become available, more people will be willing to take them. But trying to bully everyone into taking them right out of the gate and threatening to take away their freedoms is as unamerican as it gets.
Its a disturbing and growing trend in our culture.
Where in the world am I bullying anyone in my post? Where am I threatening to take away anyone's freedoms? That is really a sensationalism of my post.
(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote: At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do not expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.
I got my Covid shots, but I never gave two shiats if someone got the flu shot or not?
Does that weigh on you heavily every year? How do you feel about those that get Pertussis? Do you blame them as well for their choices? You must have a ton of time to worry about diseases and sickly people.
I don't care if you vaccine or not, but I'm not going to be "I told you so" if you get sic
I will pray for you.
1. I don't care if one gets a flu shot every year or not. Nor does it bother me in the least if someone gets the flu. VERY FEW WHO WHO GET THE FLU WILL DIE FROM IT, AND IT DOES SPREAD AS RAPIDLY AS COVID-19'
2. No, it does not weigh heavily every year. I do not worry about diseases and sickly people. I do offer sincere prayers for those whom I know that are ill. I will continue to do so (including those who suffer from Covid).
3. Where did I even insinuate I would tell anyone "I told you so"? I have many of my friends who will not take the vaccine. That is their decision to make. I am good with anyone who is opposed to getting the vaccine, as long as they have studied the issue and made an informed decision.
If your praying for me is sincere, thank you. But if not, please do not denigrate the acts of prayer for others.
Dear Lord, help this person. And help them get educated. They probably like bad bbq as well.
(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote: At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do not expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.
I got my Covid shots, but I never gave two shiats if someone got the flu shot or not?
Does that weigh on you heavily every year? How do you feel about those that get Pertussis? Do you blame them as well for their choices? You must have a ton of time to worry about diseases and sickly people.
I don't care if you vaccine or not, but I'm not going to be "I told you so" if you get sic
I will pray for you.
1. I don't care if one gets a flu shot every year or not. Nor does it bother me in the least if someone gets the flu. VERY FEW WHO WHO GET THE FLU WILL DIE FROM IT, AND IT DOES SPREAD AS RAPIDLY AS COVID-19'
2. No, it does not weigh heavily every year. I do not worry about diseases and sickly people. I do offer sincere prayers for those whom I know that are ill. I will continue to do so (including those who suffer from Covid).
3. Where did I even insinuate I would tell anyone "I told you so"? I have many of my friends who will not take the vaccine. That is their decision to make. I am good with anyone who is opposed to getting the vaccine, as long as they have studied the issue and made an informed decision.
If your praying for me is sincere, thank you. But if not, please do not denigrate the acts of prayer for others.
Dear Lord, help this person. And help them get educated.
And teach them how to use bullet points effectively.
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Vaccine and sporting events
let T levels keep dropping in the young men.
