(07-23-2021 01:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote: If Fox & ESPN decide there is a plausible way to dissolve the B12 they will because it will save them $$. Of course the remaining B12 schools will resist to maintain the TV contract, the bowl relationships, collect exit fees & GOR payments, etc. But the TV contract expiring in 2025 looms large with an obvious major reduction coming. As I understand it, Fox & ESPN would have to find homes for 3 schools in addition to UT & OU to accomplish dissolving the B12 (leaving them without a 6 school minimum to maintain their contracts). FOX can probably add enough value to the B1G to get KU an invite. ESPN & FOX can likely add enough value to the PAC to get OKST & TTU a home in the PAC or WVU in the ACC. And these moves are cheaper for FOX & ESPN than paying a reconfigured B-12. And what of a reconstituted B-12 that starts with TCU, Baylor, KSt, ISU & TTU or WVU? FOX & ESPN could then reduce the B-12 value to $12-15M/ member school & add BYU, Boise, & 3-4 AAC schools. This would be the new 'tweener' conference, reduce the current value of the the AAC & MW - make FOX & ESPN money at the same time. Cynical but not off-base as to how this will work out. For sure $$ will be the motivation & determining factor. And don't think for a moment the schools will determine their futures in terms of revenues, it's up to ESPN, FOX & NBC.
Understand---FOX wont care a bit. In fact---this is GREAT news for FOX. The Big-12 has a GOR. Now, Texas can pay the 75 milion to leave the conference---but thats just the exit fee. The separate GOR agreement means they also lose their home game rights with the Big12 conference. That means FOX just got prime SEC inventory in the form of UT and OU home games vs SEC opponents. ESPN probably doesnt care either as they get Texas vs LSU rather than Texas vs Iowa St--plus ESPN has all the rights to any AWAY SEC conference games OU and UT play. So---regardless of what happens to the rest of the Big12, ESPN probably has much more high value inventory than they had before with OU and Texas in the Big12.
Now, the best outcome for ESPN is the remains of the Big-12 merging with the AAC under the AAC banner---but I doubt that happens.
If the B-12 dissolves there is no GOR, no exit fees, no penalties - no bowl affiations & no TV contract to negotiate.
They arent dissolving unless every single member finds a home at least as good as its present home. Zero chance thats happening. Members who are leaving have no vote and thus cannot vote to dissolve the conference. Keeping everyone together is the entire point behind the GOR and the 99 year agreement signed in 2012. There is no easy way out.
There's more to it than that. If members leave, like you said they can't vote. But there has to be enough members left to meet voting requirements.
(07-23-2021 01:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote: If Fox & ESPN decide there is a plausible way to dissolve the B12 they will because it will save them $$. Of course the remaining B12 schools will resist to maintain the TV contract, the bowl relationships, collect exit fees & GOR payments, etc. But the TV contract expiring in 2025 looms large with an obvious major reduction coming. As I understand it, Fox & ESPN would have to find homes for 3 schools in addition to UT & OU to accomplish dissolving the B12 (leaving them without a 6 school minimum to maintain their contracts). FOX can probably add enough value to the B1G to get KU an invite. ESPN & FOX can likely add enough value to the PAC to get OKST & TTU a home in the PAC or WVU in the ACC. And these moves are cheaper for FOX & ESPN than paying a reconfigured B-12. And what of a reconstituted B-12 that starts with TCU, Baylor, KSt, ISU & TTU or WVU? FOX & ESPN could then reduce the B-12 value to $12-15M/ member school & add BYU, Boise, & 3-4 AAC schools. This would be the new 'tweener' conference, reduce the current value of the the AAC & MW - make FOX & ESPN money at the same time. Cynical but not off-base as to how this will work out. For sure $$ will be the motivation & determining factor. And don't think for a moment the schools will determine their futures in terms of revenues, it's up to ESPN, FOX & NBC.
Understand---FOX wont care a bit. In fact---this is GREAT news for FOX. The Big-12 has a GOR. Now, Texas can pay the 75 milion to leave the conference---but thats just the exit fee. The separate GOR agreement means they also lose their home game rights with the Big12 conference. That means FOX just got prime SEC inventory in the form of UT and OU home games vs SEC opponents. ESPN probably doesnt care either as they get Texas vs LSU rather than Texas vs Iowa St--plus ESPN has all the rights to any AWAY SEC conference games OU and UT play. So---regardless of what happens to the rest of the Big12, ESPN probably has much more high value inventory than they had before with OU and Texas in the Big12.
Now, the best outcome for ESPN is the remains of the Big-12 merging with the AAC under the AAC banner---but I doubt that happens.
If the B-12 dissolves there is no GOR, no exit fees, no penalties - no bowl affiations & no TV contract to negotiate.
They arent dissolving unless every single member finds a home at least as good as its present home. Zero chance thats happening. Members who are leaving have no vote and thus cannot vote to dissolve the conference. Keeping everyone together is the entire point behind the GOR and the 99 year agreement signed in 2012. There is no easy way out.
There's more to it than that. If members leave, like you said they can't vote. But there has to be enough members left to meet voting requirements.
Ehhh---the quorum is usually expressed as a fraction or percentage. If there is one team left and the quorum requirement is 51% (just an example--I dont know what the B12 quorum requirement is) of the membership---so one team. Remember---everyone else is an "exiting member".
(This post was last modified: 07-23-2021 11:37 PM by Attackcoog.)
(07-23-2021 10:46 PM)pesik Wrote: what does tv analyst brady quinn, who has no ties to the south (ND player, raised in OH) have to do with anything????
who cares about his opinion...
lol also i read the article, its literally just this forum it isnt sourced info its just him throwing stupid realignment rumors....
think cincy is to "g5".. houston is the only one that makes sense..wvu will go to the acc, think all them members will find a place in a different p5.. its just all speculative message board stuff...
Exactly! To dissolve the Big 12, the other 8 have to have somewhere to go.
(07-21-2021 08:57 PM)RaplhTheGreetest! Wrote: No way pac 12 takes Texas tech
Agree
There’s zero interest adding texas tech if BONGhorns aren’t coming.
That said, here hope Houston remains in AAC
Wow you really do love the AAC! Props to you biggie as any other AAC school would love to join the big 8 schools left. If Houston wants to stay let it be:
ECU
Cincinnati
Navy
UCF
Seriously, I’d rather join the Big 12 and play more Texas teams than stay in the AAC.
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In state games are ok but this isn’t the 80’s anymore... I 1000 times much rather Houston remain in the AAC.
Why? There is literally nothing for us in the aac, no rivalries that draw crowds, no money, and no future.
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There’s zero interest adding texas tech if BONGhorns aren’t coming.
That said, here hope Houston remains in AAC
Wow you really do love the AAC! Props to you biggie as any other AAC school would love to join the big 8 schools left. If Houston wants to stay let it be:
ECU
Cincinnati
Navy
UCF
Seriously, I’d rather join the Big 12 and play more Texas teams than stay in the AAC.
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In state games are ok but this isn’t the 80’s anymore... I 1000 times much rather Houston remain in the AAC.
Why? There is literally nothing for us in the aac, no rivalries that draw crowds, no money, and no future.
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Memphis has had an arse whipping for you. It's not been a rivalry I bet you want out.
There’s zero interest adding texas tech if BONGhorns aren’t coming.
That said, here hope Houston remains in AAC
Wow you really do love the AAC! Props to you biggie as any other AAC school would love to join the big 8 schools left. If Houston wants to stay let it be:
ECU
Cincinnati
Navy
UCF
Seriously, I’d rather join the Big 12 and play more Texas teams than stay in the AAC.
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In state games are ok but this isn’t the 80’s anymore... I 1000 times much rather Houston remain in the AAC.
Why? There is literally nothing for us in the aac, no rivalries that draw crowds, no money, and no future.
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Sounds like your program just has trouble drawing crowds. We have way less history with SMU than you and got 60k
(07-22-2021 12:03 AM)billybobby777 Wrote: Wow you really do love the AAC! Props to you biggie as any other AAC school would love to join the big 8 schools left. If Houston wants to stay let it be:
ECU
Cincinnati
Navy
UCF
Seriously, I’d rather join the Big 12 and play more Texas teams than stay in the AAC.
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In state games are ok but this isn’t the 80’s anymore... I 1000 times much rather Houston remain in the AAC.
Why? There is literally nothing for us in the aac, no rivalries that draw crowds, no money, and no future.
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Sounds like your program just has trouble drawing crowds. We have way less history with SMU than you and got 60k
What was so special about that game, was it the dual ranked match?
Here's a question... If the Big 12 raids the AAC and the conference implodes does UConn still have to pay the exit fees? I as this because let's face it the Big 12 will be the aggressor in this not the other way around. Branding means everything.
(This post was last modified: 07-27-2021 01:01 PM by WhalerFan.)
(07-27-2021 01:00 PM)WhalerFan Wrote: Here's a question... If the Big 12 raids the AAC and the conference implodes does UConn still have to pay the exit fees? I as this because let's face it the Big 12 will be the aggressor in this not the other way around. Branding means everything.
Why would the AAC implode... At most projected to only lose 4... And have an insane line of g4 teams that'll easily take a AAC invite
(07-27-2021 01:00 PM)WhalerFan Wrote: Here's a question... If the Big 12 raids the AAC and the conference implodes does UConn still have to pay the exit fees? I as this because let's face it the Big 12 will be the aggressor in this not the other way around. Branding means everything.
The Aac won't implode. They just like the B12 will go on a shopping spree.
(07-27-2021 01:00 PM)WhalerFan Wrote: Here's a question... If the Big 12 raids the AAC and the conference implodes does UConn still have to pay the exit fees? I as this because let's face it the Big 12 will be the aggressor in this not the other way around. Branding means everything.
The Aac won't implode. They just like the B12 will go on a shopping spree.
Ya, but that shopping spree will be in the Dollar General store.
Honestly, if we lose our top 4, I am not even certain I care about this conference anymore. Id rather USF just go indy and see what they can setup.
im surprised this article hasnt been posted yet.. articles been up for 6 hours and i havent seen it any thread ..Heather Dinich clarified her statement from her earlier report on an espn show
247/heather notes the 3 teams the big 12 talked expansion with in their meeting last week was byu, houston and Cincinnati
Quote:“I can tell you, last week, they talked on a shallow surface of, ‘What do we do if Oklahoma and Texas leave?’ And they talked about Cincinnati, Houston, BYU.”
(07-27-2021 04:11 PM)pesik Wrote: im surprised this article hasnt been posted yet.. articles been up for 6 hours and i havent seen it any thread ..Heather Dinich clarified her statement from her earlier report on an espn show
247/heather notes the 3 teams the big 12 talked expansion with in their meeting last week was byu, houston and Cincinnati
Quote:“I can tell you, last week, they talked on a shallow surface of, ‘What do we do if Oklahoma and Texas leave?’ And they talked about Cincinnati, Houston, BYU.”
Talking with and talking about are two very different things
(07-27-2021 04:11 PM)pesik Wrote: im surprised this article hasnt been posted yet.. articles been up for 6 hours and i havent seen it any thread ..Heather Dinich clarified her statement from her earlier report on an espn show
247/heather notes the 3 teams the big 12 talked expansion with in their meeting last week was byu, houston and Cincinnati
Quote:“I can tell you, last week, they talked on a shallow surface of, ‘What do we do if Oklahoma and Texas leave?’ And they talked about Cincinnati, Houston, BYU.”
Talking with and talking about are two very different things
i get that.... but it clarifies a small debate had last week
heather wrote in her article last week that that her sources said the big 12 talked about expansion and schools at the top of the g5 "like houston, ucf, cincy, byu " a few Memphis fans noted that she was just referencing examples of top g5, not that those are the teams the big 12 actually talked about
she clarified that they actually talked about those 3 teams
Matches up with the article in Saturday down south yesterday where the beat reporters were stating UC has been talking to unnamed conferences (winking at you B12) about joining for a week.
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Which AAC schools to the Big 12?
