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The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

I have always thought that the exit fee assessed by the AAC was unreasonable and onerous. A $10MM exit fee when your annual income is $7MM? Why doesn't the conference just pull a Dr. Evil and go for "One Billion Dollars"? After all, the "majority" of the Conference isn't likely to depart... If you're going to be draconian about it, just go all out and get it over with.

That being said, it would be worth it just to be done with the deal. $17MM to get out the next season (like UConn) would be worth it so that everyone could just move on.

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

I know this sounds awful, but if the AAC Presidents were smart, they would negotiate together to join the Big 12... but only 8 of us. (ya, I know)

If 8 AAC teams were to merge with the Big 12, then they can dissolve the conference, retain the NCAA credits per school and it can be done quickly without delay.

Also by working as a team, to a degree we can assure each others inclusions since nobody is an absolute 100% shoe in. Its kind of like mutually assured success.

(07-27-2021 02:47 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

I know this sounds awful, but if the AAC Presidents were smart, they would negotiate together to join the Big 12... but only 8 of us. (ya, I know)

If 8 AAC teams were to merge with the Big 12, then they can dissolve the conference, retain the NCAA credits per school and it can be done quickly without delay.

Also by working as a team, to a degree we can assure each others inclusions since nobody is an absolute 100% shoe in. Its kind of like mutually assured success.

Works except for the 3 schools that get screwed out.

(07-27-2021 02:47 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

I know this sounds awful, but if the AAC Presidents were smart, they would negotiate together to join the Big 12... but only 8 of us. (ya, I know)

If 8 AAC teams were to merge with the Big 12, then they can dissolve the conference, retain the NCAA credits per school and it can be done quickly without delay.

Also by working as a team, to a degree we can assure each others inclusions since nobody is an absolute 100% shoe in. Its kind of like mutually assured success.

That would require a "lifeboat" discussion...who lives, who dies? Which are the anointed and blessed eight? I suspect we could agree on four or five of them, but after that...well...someone's getting left in the water to drown. Who's going to make that choice?

Not only that, the Conference has a fiduciary duty to ALL it's members. Maybe even ESPECIALLY the weakest of members. The AAC should, for example, be looking out for the welfare of Tulsa and Wichita State. So any joint-negotiations would HAVE to be done outside of the Conference's purview and the Conference should and would have to use any legal means to quash such discussions.

Not to mention, we have no idea at this point who will be "left" in the B12 and what "they" will want to do going forward. Do they want AAC teams, or MW teams, or some mixture of the two?

Sorry, but this is going to have to be done by individual institutions and likely will involve perceived betrayals and wounding. Just as it always is. USF will have to look out for their own interests...as it should be...and need to make their own peace.

(07-27-2021 02:48 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:47 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

I know this sounds awful, but if the AAC Presidents were smart, they would negotiate together to join the Big 12... but only 8 of us. (ya, I know)

If 8 AAC teams were to merge with the Big 12, then they can dissolve the conference, retain the NCAA credits per school and it can be done quickly without delay.

Also by working as a team, to a degree we can assure each others inclusions since nobody is an absolute 100% shoe in. Its kind of like mutually assured success.

Works except for the 3 schools that get screwed out.

Ya, thats the part I hate but lets be real honest about what would probably happen. Overlap will be eliminated along with a smaller market.

It sucks but if it preserves at least 8 of us, and puts us in a better position then its a win.

(07-27-2021 02:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:47 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

I know this sounds awful, but if the AAC Presidents were smart, they would negotiate together to join the Big 12... but only 8 of us. (ya, I know)

If 8 AAC teams were to merge with the Big 12, then they can dissolve the conference, retain the NCAA credits per school and it can be done quickly without delay.

Also by working as a team, to a degree we can assure each others inclusions since nobody is an absolute 100% shoe in. Its kind of like mutually assured success.

That would require a "lifeboat" discussion...who lives, who dies? Which are the anointed and blessed eight? I suspect we could agree on four or five of them, but after that...well...someone's getting left in the water to drown. Who's going to make that choice?

Not only that, the Conference has a fiduciary duty to ALL it's members. Maybe even ESPECIALLY the weakest of members. The AAC should, for example, be looking out for the welfare of Tulsa and Wichita State. So any joint-negotiations would HAVE to be done outside of the Conference's purview and the Conference should and would have to use any legal means to quash such discussions.

Not to mention, we have no idea at this point who will be "left" in the B12 and what "they" will want to do going forward. Do they want AAC teams, or MW teams, or some mixture of the two?

Sorry, but this is going to have to be done by individual institutions and likely will involve perceived betrayals and wounding. Just as it always is. USF will have to look out for their own interests...as it should be...and need to make their own peace.

Absolutely agree, thats why I said Presidents and not the AAC. 8 schools would have to immediately start working together to pitch the idea. They need for the Big 12 members to see this is a possibility and to limit other schools from sneaking in.

8 Schools working together could squeeze out any chance of Boise St or maybe even BYU, since many B12 schools have an issue with some of their religious stances (especially gay rights). Though, I suspect that if the Leftover 8 dont immediately find a new home, then BYU will be one of their first calls.

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

It’s worth it. If offered, we will all scratch the checks.

I know football drives the bus but that would be a crazy good basketball conference to be a part of. The leftover B12 teams are also names that casual fans will pay to watch. No offense, but a good sized handful in the AAC aren’t.

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

It’s a lateral move at best. As long as the 12 team playoff is still coming (which Heather Dinich w ESPN is reporting it will) the AAC will be just fine.

Even if a few schools jump and we add a few. The AAC champ will most likely be in the playoff every year.

Another note- if you don’t think Kansas, WVU, Ok St, and all the others aren’t looking for the next train out of the B12 you are crazy. What happens if your school jumps into the B12 and in 6 months Kansas goes to the B10, Ok st, TTech, TCU go to the Pac12. Then how good would the move be?

(07-27-2021 03:08 PM)Sea Pirate Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

It’s a lateral move at best. As long as the 12 team playoff is still coming (which Heather Dinich w ESPN is reporting it will) the AAC will be just fine.

Even if a few schools jump and we add a few. The AAC champ will most likely be in the playoff every year.

Another note- if you don’t think Kansas, WVU, Ok St, and all the others aren’t looking for the next train out of the B12 you are crazy. What happens if your school jumps into the B12 and in 6 months Kansas goes to the B10, Ok st, TTech, TCU go to the Pac12. Then how good would the move be?

Unless the P5 conferences decide to dump the G5 and go alone... I would rather team up with the B12. Even if its just perception, the chances of being left behind are higher in the AAC.

If the conference dissolves, UConn saves $10M and we all know who the 3 are. Just sayin.

(07-27-2021 03:13 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 03:08 PM)Sea Pirate Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

It’s a lateral move at best. As long as the 12 team playoff is still coming (which Heather Dinich w ESPN is reporting it will) the AAC will be just fine.

Even if a few schools jump and we add a few. The AAC champ will most likely be in the playoff every year.

Another note- if you don’t think Kansas, WVU, Ok St, and all the others aren’t looking for the next train out of the B12 you are crazy. What happens if your school jumps into the B12 and in 6 months Kansas goes to the B10, Ok st, TTech, TCU go to the Pac12. Then how good would the move be?

Unless the P5 conferences decide to dump the G5 and go alone... I would rather team up with the B12. Even if its just perception, the chances of being left behind are higher in the AAC.

I get it. But I see the AAC and whatever is left of the B12 being very similar in terms of tv payout and perception moving forward. No matter who jumps in and out.

(07-27-2021 03:08 PM)Sea Pirate Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Forgotten in this discussion

The AAC has 10 million 27 month exit fee. UConn paid 17 million to leave earlier. So anyone living will have to pay 17 million probably to leave early.

So let’s say the Big12 left over gets you 10 million in tv revenues instead the 7 you get now. Plus the around 1 million you get from basketball tournament and you will get none of the B12 exit fees.

Is it financially worth it? When you know each of those left overs has an eye on leaving at first chance.

It’s a lateral move at best. As long as the 12 team playoff is still coming (which Heather Dinich w ESPN is reporting it will) the AAC will be just fine.

Even if a few schools jump and we add a few. The AAC champ will most likely be in the playoff every year.

Another note- if you don’t think Kansas, WVU, Ok St, and all the others aren’t looking for the next train out of the B12 you are crazy. What happens if your school jumps into the B12 and in 6 months Kansas goes to the B10, Ok st, TTech, TCU go to the Pac12. Then how good would the move be?

That's how it always seems to work. Remembering the BE invites, they too were staggered as first 2 schools left & two were added, then several more left with several more invites then it fell apart.

(07-27-2021 03:17 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  If the conference dissolves, UConn saves $10M and we all know who the 3 are. Just sayin.

So, umm, wanna start a conference or something?

(07-27-2021 03:17 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  If the conference dissolves, UConn saves $10M and we all know who the 3 are. Just sayin.

Uconn must be feeling pretty stupid about now. Yall are fricked into oblivion. Enjoy womens basketball.