(08-27-2021 02:31 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  I don’t know about split, but I think you all should definitely do a complete rebranding of the conference.

The Conference USA name and logo is not good. Could use something fresh and different from what it is now. If you did something like the Gulf Atlantic Conference, you could do something similar to the ACC and name the divisions Gulf and Atlantic.

Something different would be great though.

How about All American Athletic Conference? Alphabetically, that lists us first going forward.

(08-27-2021 02:31 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  I don’t know about split, but I think you all should definitely do a complete rebranding of the conference.

The Conference USA name and logo is not good. Could use something fresh and different from what it is now. If you did something like the Gulf Atlantic Conference, you could do something similar to the ACC and name the divisions Gulf and Atlantic.

Something different would be great though.

No thanks. If anything, the AAC needs to rebrand. Nothing copies "CUSA" like "The American." It's completely unoriginal.

(08-27-2021 07:31 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 02:31 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  I don’t know about split, but I think you all should definitely do a complete rebranding of the conference.

The Conference USA name and logo is not good. Could use something fresh and different from what it is now. If you did something like the Gulf Atlantic Conference, you could do something similar to the ACC and name the divisions Gulf and Atlantic.

Something different would be great though.

How about All American Athletic Conference? Alphabetically, that lists us first going forward.

Or Acme Athletic Conference. Anyone who is familiar with Wylie Coyote knows Acme. Great publicity for the conference every time old Wylie appears in a rerun.

(08-27-2021 08:09 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 07:31 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 02:31 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  I don’t know about split, but I think you all should definitely do a complete rebranding of the conference.

The Conference USA name and logo is not good. Could use something fresh and different from what it is now. If you did something like the Gulf Atlantic Conference, you could do something similar to the ACC and name the divisions Gulf and Atlantic.

Something different would be great though.

How about All American Athletic Conference? Alphabetically, that lists us first going forward.

Or Acme Athletic Conference. Anyone who is familiar with Wylie Coyote knows Acme. Great publicity for the conference every time old Wylie appears in a rerun.

(08-27-2021 08:06 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 02:31 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  I don’t know about split, but I think you all should definitely do a complete rebranding of the conference.

The Conference USA name and logo is not good. Could use something fresh and different from what it is now. If you did something like the Gulf Atlantic Conference, you could do something similar to the ACC and name the divisions Gulf and Atlantic.

Something different would be great though.

No thanks. If anything, the AAC needs to rebrand. Nothing copies "CUSA" like "The American." It's completely unoriginal.

They also use CUSA colors, added a "star" to their logo like CUSA, and stole the Block "A" from Arizona's helmets.

(08-26-2021 10:23 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 12:54 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  So all the G-5 or 6 or whatever, forming their own alliance would really be of no benefit, other than perhaps they could choose to vote as a block to try and suspend the rules to allow the formation of a new geographic conferences. I actually think the G-5 need to get their head out of their asses and form the NATO of college football and vote as a block or we are going to get extremely screwed over.

correct. The Big Ten/Pac-12/ACC alliance isn't about conference realignment at all. It's about voting on issues to maintain competitive balance as best they can vs the SEC. They don't want a CFP expansion that allows for 4 SEC teams and 6 of them combined. They don't want academics to completely disappear. They don't want a pay for play model. Etc.

The issue with a G5/G6 alliance is that... it's kind of pointless. By aligning formally to vote the same way, the G5 increases it's power from "none" to "none." They don't need you to pass anything.

Pointless?...I am not sure about that, I am afraid we become an alliance at some point by default. These six conferences are going to be left out, pushed out, divided out or something of that fashion. They can't leave the NCAA on their own right now, they could not afford it, they have to take what they can get right now from the Networks, conferences, and NCAA.

You have the power conferences out there who only want us for warm up games and otherwise we are forgotten about. The SEC is the Man-Child of the Power, They have turned into more of a for profit corporation than a conference. All they need to do is go public, they have adopted so many of the corporate predatory practices that I don't think they resemble much of a conference anymore.

The SEC will collude with the other conferences until they become so powerful that that they will control them if the others are not careful. At some point the Power/SEC conference(s) become powerful enough that they control enough of the NCAA that they can change rules at will.

That will be the point that they either force us into some kind of drastic change and/or they all leave. They are rich enough and will have enough control over networks or possibly their own network to do as they please.

So yea, maybe we do end up in some type of Alliance......

I am in Provo, UT today, and nobody seemed interested in the BIG 12.

(08-27-2021 03:59 PM)Bhaddawgy Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 10:23 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 12:54 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  So all the G-5 or 6 or whatever, forming their own alliance would really be of no benefit, other than perhaps they could choose to vote as a block to try and suspend the rules to allow the formation of a new geographic conferences. I actually think the G-5 need to get their head out of their asses and form the NATO of college football and vote as a block or we are going to get extremely screwed over.

correct. The Big Ten/Pac-12/ACC alliance isn't about conference realignment at all. It's about voting on issues to maintain competitive balance as best they can vs the SEC. They don't want a CFP expansion that allows for 4 SEC teams and 6 of them combined. They don't want academics to completely disappear. They don't want a pay for play model. Etc.

The issue with a G5/G6 alliance is that... it's kind of pointless. By aligning formally to vote the same way, the G5 increases it's power from "none" to "none." They don't need you to pass anything.

Pointless?...I am not sure about that, I am afraid we become an alliance at some point by default. These six conferences are going to be left out, pushed out, divided out or something of that fashion. They can't leave the NCAA on their own right now, they could not afford it, they have to take what they can get right now from the Networks, conferences, and NCAA.

You have the power conferences out there who only want us for warm up games and otherwise we are forgotten about. The SEC is the Man-Child of the Power, They have turned into more of a for profit corporation than a conference. All they need to do is go public, they have adopted so many of the corporate predatory practices that I don't think they resemble much of a conference anymore.

The SEC will collude with the other conferences until they become so powerful that that they will control them if the others are not careful. At some point the Power/SEC conference(s) become powerful enough that they control enough of the NCAA that they can change rules at will.

That will be the point that they either force us into some kind of drastic change and/or they all leave. They are rich enough and will have enough control over networks or possibly their own network to do as they please.

So yea, maybe we do end up in some type of Alliance......

This is what is happening right now, not "at some point". This is it.

(08-27-2021 04:01 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 03:59 PM)Bhaddawgy Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 10:23 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(08-24-2021 12:54 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  So all the G-5 or 6 or whatever, forming their own alliance would really be of no benefit, other than perhaps they could choose to vote as a block to try and suspend the rules to allow the formation of a new geographic conferences. I actually think the G-5 need to get their head out of their asses and form the NATO of college football and vote as a block or we are going to get extremely screwed over.

correct. The Big Ten/Pac-12/ACC alliance isn't about conference realignment at all. It's about voting on issues to maintain competitive balance as best they can vs the SEC. They don't want a CFP expansion that allows for 4 SEC teams and 6 of them combined. They don't want academics to completely disappear. They don't want a pay for play model. Etc.

The issue with a G5/G6 alliance is that... it's kind of pointless. By aligning formally to vote the same way, the G5 increases it's power from "none" to "none." They don't need you to pass anything.

Pointless?...I am not sure about that, I am afraid we become an alliance at some point by default. These six conferences are going to be left out, pushed out, divided out or something of that fashion. They can't leave the NCAA on their own right now, they could not afford it, they have to take what they can get right now from the Networks, conferences, and NCAA.

You have the power conferences out there who only want us for warm up games and otherwise we are forgotten about. The SEC is the Man-Child of the Power, They have turned into more of a for profit corporation than a conference. All they need to do is go public, they have adopted so many of the corporate predatory practices that I don't think they resemble much of a conference anymore.

The SEC will collude with the other conferences until they become so powerful that that they will control them if the others are not careful. At some point the Power/SEC conference(s) become powerful enough that they control enough of the NCAA that they can change rules at will.

That will be the point that they either force us into some kind of drastic change and/or they all leave. They are rich enough and will have enough control over networks or possibly their own network to do as they please.

So yea, maybe we do end up in some type of Alliance......

This is what is happening right now, not "at some point". This is it.

I agree, the groundwork has been laid, only thing that stops this is some political interference. I do not really want to see the government involved at all.

Money now drives the bus, and you add all out greed into it and people loose direction, become power hungry and forget that College athletics was supposed to be amateur sports. It is an arms race that no one wins. Sooner or later the bubble will burst, just like they all do.

(08-27-2021 03:59 PM)Bhaddawgy Wrote:  Pointless?...I am not sure about that, I am afraid we become an alliance at some point by default.

Yes. Pointless.

The direction of the NCAA and FBS football is set by a bunch of NCAA committees. Dating back 30 years, the "power conferences" have had 50% membership of those committees, and the P5 has full autonomy.

It's pointless to form "an alliance" because the G5 conferences basically are an alliance already; are voting the same way on every issue already; and the combined total of G5 votes can't legislate anything.

This isn't a "One School, One Vote" system. It's not even a "one conference, one vote" system. The P5 cannot be outvoted on any issue they agree on.

It sounds crazy, but there's no way college sports would have gotten HERE to this point now if it weren't true:
- The NET system that screws over non-P5 schools? Never would have passed in a one school, one vote.
- In one-school, one-vote, a rule that says you have to be OVER .500 in conference to get an NCAA at-large bid would pass 278-75.
- If every D-I member got one vote and only one vote in each sport they participate in, the P5 would be stripped of most their power. We could just pass REVENUE SHARING saying ALL NCAA TV revenue is split 32-ways to each conference!

(08-27-2021 04:00 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  I am in Provo, UT today, and nobody seemed interested in the BIG 12.

If the Chancellor/President and the AD are interested, few of the other's opinion matters much.

The Alliance isn't pointless. They're looking to offset the SEC and ESPN somehow. They are 41 votes to the SEC's 16, plus the L8's 8. Their number one priority right now is to ensure that TV rights stay split up and competed for. That is particularly true of the playoff. If ESPN/ABC gets to broadcast the entire twelve team playoff they will have many more of the most watched games of the season. Fox needs those for the exposure and the cash flow, and all the teams need two bidders if they want to get maximum return for selling the broadcast rights to the playoff.

Remember also that the NCAA Convention is coming up. Those 41 votes might become very important in setting policy there as well.