(08-06-2021 01:27 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I wouldn't add anyone unless we were to drop to 8 or less. I'd stay at 10 and I'd stay at 9 as well, unless Army changed their mind about joining and then sure add them but I'd advocate adding them tomorrow if they wanted to join so nothing changes. If you drop to 8 it depends on who left. If Houston was one of the teams I'd try to see if Army could be convinced to join if they could be in a division that looked like the old Magnolia conference dream with Rice/SMU/Tulane etc. If Army is a forever no then I'd personally just want USM back just because I miss the rivalry with them and at that point all additions are a net negative from a TV revenue perspective.

your thinking is the exactly the same thinking as the big 12, which is flawed

any new addition not the mwc/army is a net negative..today. that is the entire scope of your reasoning..but we are in it long term

we add umass in which they build a brand new stadium and invest in sports.. they then find some donors (boston has so many billionaires) ..possibility of being an east coast oregon is there

panama has sorta made me dislike georgia state, but if i remove my dislike for that 1 fan.. Ga state in 10years could easily be the next UCF... 55k students, located in major city (atlanta), recruiting hot bed ... the possibility of them doing 50-60k attendance, regularly recruiting 4/5star guys arent unrealistic with some investment

usm in 10 years will still be usm, even if they found a way to win in the conference

get a negative add who will likely stay negative, or add a negative with potential

Ever been to Georgia State's "campus"? Aside from some banners on light poles it's indistinguishable from any other part of downtown Atlanta.

Killing me ....

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Maybe Florida A&M to replace USF and give UCF an instate conference rival.

(08-06-2021 02:00 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Maybe Florida A&M to replace USF and give UCF an instate conference rival.

Has to be a directional Florida school, I suggest University of West Florida + a larger enrolment than Florida A&M.

If I had one vote to give today, it would be UAB.

The dragons have been on a nice trajectory as of late.

The new stadium and its location adds a lot to their appeal.

(08-06-2021 02:11 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:00 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Maybe Florida A&M to replace USF and give UCF an instate conference rival.

Has to be a directional Florida school, I suggest University of West Florida + a larger enrolment than Florida A&M.

Good point. The Argonauts are special.

(08-06-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  we add umass in which they build a brand new stadium and invest in sports.. they then find some donors (boston has so many billionaires) ..possibility of being an east coast oregon is there

(08-06-2021 02:21 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  we add umass in which they build a brand new stadium and invest in sports.. they then find some donors (boston has so many billionaires) ..possibility of being an east coast oregon is there

Agreed. It's ridiculous to think UMass could do it if UConn couldn't.

(08-06-2021 02:11 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:00 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Maybe Florida A&M to replace USF and give UCF an instate conference rival.

Has to be a directional Florida school, I suggest University of West Florida + a larger enrolment than Florida A&M.

Only if West Florida is located somewhere other than West Florida.

(08-06-2021 02:21 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:11 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:00 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Maybe Florida A&M to replace USF and give UCF an instate conference rival.

Has to be a directional Florida school, I suggest University of West Florida + a larger enrolment than Florida A&M.

Good point. The Argonauts are special.

I knew yall would come around

(08-06-2021 02:32 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:21 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:11 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:00 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Maybe Florida A&M to replace USF and give UCF an instate conference rival.

Has to be a directional Florida school, I suggest University of West Florida + a larger enrolment than Florida A&M.

Good point. The Argonauts are special.

I knew yall would come around

Did yall consider how amazingly cool Florida A&M Band is????

Re-vote?

(08-06-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 01:27 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I wouldn't add anyone unless we were to drop to 8 or less. I'd stay at 10 and I'd stay at 9 as well, unless Army changed their mind about joining and then sure add them but I'd advocate adding them tomorrow if they wanted to join so nothing changes. If you drop to 8 it depends on who left. If Houston was one of the teams I'd try to see if Army could be convinced to join if they could be in a division that looked like the old Magnolia conference dream with Rice/SMU/Tulane etc. If Army is a forever no then I'd personally just want USM back just because I miss the rivalry with them and at that point all additions are a net negative from a TV revenue perspective.

your thinking is the exactly the same thinking as the big 12, which is flawed

any new addition not the mwc/army is a net negative..today. that is the entire scope of your reasoning..but we are in it long term

we add umass in which they build a brand new stadium and invest in sports.. they then find some donors (boston has so many billionaires) ..possibility of being an east coast oregon is there

panama has sorta made me dislike georgia state, but if i remove my dislike for that 1 fan.. Ga state in 10years could easily be the next UCF... 55k students, located in major city (atlanta), recruiting hot bed ... the possibility of them doing 50-60k attendance, regularly recruiting 4/5star guys arent unrealistic with some investment

usm in 10 years will still be usm, even if they found a way to win in the conference

get a negative add who will likely stay negative, or add a negative with potential

usm in 10 years would be usm (with money). who knows what usm could do with that paper stuff. we can get 30K+ fans in our stadium win winning and with teams fans want to see. not many g5's have a fanbase like ours but hey you guys already know all this about your daddy.

(08-06-2021 02:32 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:21 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:11 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 02:00 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Maybe Florida A&M to replace USF and give UCF an instate conference rival.

Has to be a directional Florida school, I suggest University of West Florida + a larger enrolment than Florida A&M.

Good point. The Argonauts are special.

I knew yall would come around

Well, it would work great with UCF as a rival. Both mascots are of knight-like qualities. They could start off the game with a round of jousting.

Instead of the War on I4, it could be the Medieval Times Bowl

It really depends on who and how many leave. If it's just Houston, Rice would get my vote. If more then it depends who it is and I would look to add a block of MWC teams if they are interested in full membership. If too many leave and SMU isn't one of them, I would want SMU to seek MWC membership.

(08-06-2021 02:42 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 01:27 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I wouldn't add anyone unless we were to drop to 8 or less. I'd stay at 10 and I'd stay at 9 as well, unless Army changed their mind about joining and then sure add them but I'd advocate adding them tomorrow if they wanted to join so nothing changes. If you drop to 8 it depends on who left. If Houston was one of the teams I'd try to see if Army could be convinced to join if they could be in a division that looked like the old Magnolia conference dream with Rice/SMU/Tulane etc. If Army is a forever no then I'd personally just want USM back just because I miss the rivalry with them and at that point all additions are a net negative from a TV revenue perspective.

your thinking is the exactly the same thinking as the big 12, which is flawed

any new addition not the mwc/army is a net negative..today. that is the entire scope of your reasoning..but we are in it long term

we add umass in which they build a brand new stadium and invest in sports.. they then find some donors (boston has so many billionaires) ..possibility of being an east coast oregon is there

panama has sorta made me dislike georgia state, but if i remove my dislike for that 1 fan.. Ga state in 10years could easily be the next UCF... 55k students, located in major city (atlanta), recruiting hot bed ... the possibility of them doing 50-60k attendance, regularly recruiting 4/5star guys arent unrealistic with some investment

usm in 10 years will still be usm, even if they found a way to win in the conference

get a negative add who will likely stay negative, or add a negative with potential

usm in 10 years would be usm (with money). who knows what usm could do with that paper stuff. we can get 30K+ fans in our stadium win winning and with teams fans want to see. not many g5's have a fanbase like ours but hey you guys already know all this about your daddy.

The only benefit to USM would be that Tulane would have an actual Thanksgiving rival at the end of the year to obsess about.

Most of the AAC lacks that.

UH, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Temple, ECU, Memphis (debatable), and Cincy (debatable) all do not have a true "Thanksgiving" hate-fest.

Those rivalries make CFB worth it - make it interesting.

So---lets say UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cinci leave. Lets be honest---whats left is a decent core---but there really are not enough high value pieces left to add to it in order to create a conference worth the travel. Adding UAB, Rice, or Marshall or anyone else willing to come isnt going to get the TV deal anywhere near 7 million a team. Its probably going to be around 2-4 million---if that. We'd have Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Navy, Temple, ECU, and Wichita. Its a disaster.

So--here is the "break glass in case of emergency" idea I kinda stole (sort of) from another thread here. What if you merge that core with the A-10? Then add the 3 best football schools out there. LaTech, Marshall, and App St. Now your're in a pretty decent round robin football conference (or you can do divisions) with a very solid multi-bid basketball league. That might actually be worth the travel.

(08-06-2021 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So---lets say UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cinci leave. Lets be honest---whats left is a decent core---but there really are not enough high value pieces left to add to it in order to create a conference worth the travel. Adding UAB, Rice, or Marshall or anyone else willing to come isnt going to get the TV deal anywhere near 7 million a team. Its probably going to be around 2-4 million---if that. We'd have Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Navy, Temple, ECU, and Wichita. Its a disaster.

So--here is the "break glass in case of emergency" idea I kinda stole (sort of) from another thread here. What if you merge that core with the A-10? Then add the 3 best football schools out there. LaTech, Marshall, and App St. Now your're in a pretty decent round robin football conference (or you can do divisions) with a very solid multi-bid basketball league. That might actually be worth the travel.

I'd stay out of the south other than Georgia State... Buffalo, UMass, and APP State would replace all but UCF (Georgia State has that potential) initially.

(08-06-2021 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So---lets say UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cinci leave. Lets be honest---whats left is a decent core---but there really are not enough high value pieces left to add to it in order to create a conference worth the travel. Adding UAB, Rice, or Marshall or anyone else willing to come isnt going to get the TV deal anywhere near 7 million a team. Its probably going to be around 2-4 million---if that. We'd have Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Navy, Temple, ECU, and Wichita. Its a disaster.

So--here is the "break glass in case of emergency" idea I kinda stole (sort of) from another thread here. What if you merge that core with the A-10? Then add the 3 best football schools out there. LaTech, Marshall, and App St. Now your're in a pretty decent round robin football conference (or you can do divisions) with a very solid multi-bid basketball league. That might actually be worth the travel.

If you take lose those four, we have ECU, Temple, Navy sitting in a clump together and everyone else is in the west in tight geography. We add UAB, as a bridge, look to offer Umass and UConn, even maybe Liberty as football only to help out the East. Add VCU, St Louis, and Dayton to balance them. If we go to twelve grab Rice. That gives us 4 football only, 4 basketball only, and 8 all sports. Basketball is pretty strong, football is the best we can cobble together, travel is little better with the football only making a tight eastern division with Temple and ECU, west football is trading Memphis for Birmingham. It hurts Navy on the national unless maybe Houston wants to flip with them. Army could replace any of the football only if they wanted and the new AAC is perhaps in the MW football wise.

Cross division travel in football isn't great, but workable, in the olympics we actually get more compact.

(08-06-2021 02:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So---lets say UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cinci leave. Lets be honest---whats left is a decent core---but there really are not enough high value pieces left to add to it in order to create a conference worth the travel. Adding UAB, Rice, or Marshall or anyone else willing to come isnt going to get the TV deal anywhere near 7 million a team. Its probably going to be around 2-4 million---if that. We'd have Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Navy, Temple, ECU, and Wichita. Its a disaster.

So--here is the "break glass in case of emergency" idea I kinda stole (sort of) from another thread here. What if you merge that core with the A-10? Then add the 3 best football schools out there. LaTech, Marshall, and App St. Now your're in a pretty decent round robin football conference (or you can do divisions) with a very solid multi-bid basketball league. That might actually be worth the travel.

That’s a scary scenario. So it’s kind of like the old Big East model before it broke apart? I have always thought about just backfilling with the best of what’s left if we lost a bunch of schools, but this could actually be a better idea.