“I think it is on life support now,” Gee said. “I have one of the votes and I think it nearly needs to be unanimous and I’m not voting for it. I think the Big Ten will not vote for it and the Pac 12 will probably not vote for it either.”

“It’s one of those ideas that I think was very good when there was stability. When there's instability, the idea becomes less appropriate.”

https://www.thedaonline.com/sports/footb...8c945.html

(08-26-2021 03:27 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  “I think it is on life support now,” Gee said. “I have one of the votes and I think it nearly needs to be unanimous and I’m not voting for it. I think the Big Ten will not vote for it and the Pac 12 will probably not vote for it either.”

“It’s one of those ideas that I think was very good when there was stability. When there's instability, the idea becomes less appropriate.”

https://www.thedaonline.com/sports/footb...8c945.html

Less appropriate? GTFOH!

(08-26-2021 03:27 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  “I think it is on life support now,” Gee said. “I have one of the votes and I think it nearly needs to be unanimous and I’m not voting for it. I think the Big Ten will not vote for it and the Pac 12 will probably not vote for it either.”

“It’s one of those ideas that I think was very good when there was stability. When there's instability, the idea becomes less appropriate.”

https://www.thedaonline.com/sports/footb...8c945.html

Interesting. If he is representative (a big if) is this part of the SEC Master Plan?

The SEC, more than anyone, seems happy with the status quo.

I guess he missed the announcement the PAC is not expanding.

(08-26-2021 03:27 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  “I think it is on life support now,” Gee said. “I have one of the votes and I think it nearly needs to be unanimous and I’m not voting for it. I think the Big Ten will not vote for it and the Pac 12 will probably not vote for it either.”

“It’s one of those ideas that I think was very good when there was stability. When there's instability, the idea becomes less appropriate.”

https://www.thedaonline.com/sports/footb...8c945.html

Nope, there's stability and WVU will be staying in the Big 12 for the foreseeable future. Big East + Indy isn't happening, ACC isn't happening.

A little more meat to the bone

It would be best for the Big XII if CFP expansion was delayed. Gives them time to build a new conference with smart additions and gives those times to hopefully earn some "P5" credibility before expansion.

Just as I suspected, the alliance was partly to kill the playoff and protect the Bowls. It has less to do with the Big 12 surviving as an entity, and more to do with the schedules just not being conducive for student athletes, coaches, and fans.

The PAC, B1G, and ACC didn't even have representation when Swofford, Sankey, and Bowlsby pulled that 12-team format out of their asses. It was going to run into serious opposition from the "alliance" conferences. I know it sucks for Go5 teams, but it should NOT be surprising, for all the reasons I've previously discussed.

Thank you presidents.

The bowls are unironically better than this circus.

(08-26-2021 04:22 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Just as I suspected, the alliance was partly to kill the playoff and protect the Bowls. It has less to do with the Big 12 surviving as an entity, and more to do with the schedules just not being conducive for student athletes, coaches, and fans.

The PAC, B1G, and ACC didn't even have representation when Swofford, Sankey, and Bowlsby pulled that 12-team format out of their asses. It was going to run into serious opposition from the "alliance" conferences. I know it sucks for Go5 teams, but it should NOT be surprising, for all the reasons I've previously discussed.

This makes Sankey a genius. Actually, he had a lot of help by ESPiN.

(08-26-2021 04:55 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 04:22 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Just as I suspected, the alliance was partly to kill the playoff and protect the Bowls. It has less to do with the Big 12 surviving as an entity, and more to do with the schedules just not being conducive for student athletes, coaches, and fans.

The PAC, B1G, and ACC didn't even have representation when Swofford, Sankey, and Bowlsby pulled that 12-team format out of their asses. It was going to run into serious opposition from the "alliance" conferences. I know it sucks for Go5 teams, but it should NOT be surprising, for all the reasons I've previously discussed.

This makes Sankey a genius. Actually, he had a lot of help by ESPiN.

Sankey a genius for pulling off OU/UT… no sure how he’s a genius for drawing up what will be a failed playoff proposal. I mean he killed his own proposal by expanding with OU/UT.

Honestly, let “status quo” get to the market, ala the first extension to the BCS that was in secret. Schools got paid by networks but ratings tumbled. Maybe lightning strikes twice for the same playoff product and there’s a dumb buyer out there who will drop mad money on it. Ratings will expose how much the networks overpaid for something people just quit on.

The overarching market forces driving FBS football toward an expanded playoff haven’t changed just because UT and OU are going to the SEC. The timing may change but the outcome probably won’t.

(08-26-2021 05:24 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The overarching market forces driving FBS football toward an expanded playoff haven’t changed just because UT and OU are going to the SEC. The timing may change but the outcome probably won’t.

^^^^
This!!…

The post-UT/OU Big 12 is going to struggle to put a team in the top 4. Wouldn’t the expanded playoff be better for WVU?

It’s surprising that the B12 would want to be in the lead for this CFP expansion discussion. Bowlsby was involved in creating the proposal. Gee has lots of experience and is a wild-card.

(08-26-2021 04:22 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Just as I suspected, the alliance was partly to kill the playoff and protect the Bowls. It has less to do with the Big 12 surviving as an entity, and more to do with the schedules just not being conducive for student athletes, coaches, and fans.

The PAC, B1G, and ACC didn't even have representation when Swofford, Sankey, and Bowlsby pulled that 12-team format out of their asses. It was going to run into serious opposition from the "alliance" conferences. I know it sucks for Go5 teams, but it should NOT be surprising, for all the reasons I've previously discussed.

Why protect the bowls when they are money losers for the schools? The B1G would be getting multiple teams into the CFP every year, the Pac would actually make the playoff and the ACC would guarantee cClemson gets in even if they lose the CCG. This seems more like a stall tactic to go to the open market than to protect the bowls.

(08-26-2021 05:40 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  It’s surprising that the B12 would want to be in the lead for this CFP expansion discussion. Bowlsby was involved in creating the proposal. Gee has lots of experience and is a wild-card.

Well well look to the other P5 conferences, the big 12 is in a position where they have the least to lose.
I'm reminded of a monologue from the Drew Carey show where he agrees to get into a fist fight. "I've been in the same dead end job for 20 years. I'm not fighting for the honor of a wife or a girlfriend but of my cross-dressing brother. And I'm wearing a bathing suit cuz I'm out of cleanunderwear. You want to go let's go"

In other words, push the big 12 too hard and they might be perfectly willing to blow up your nice profitable playoff expansion

(08-26-2021 05:24 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The overarching market forces driving FBS football toward an expanded playoff haven’t changed just because UT and OU are going to the SEC. The timing may change but the outcome probably won’t.

I don’t disagree, but, years have been wasted and potential money lost incalculable. Like, with the popularity of the sport already declining, especially at this level, what’s driving this one? Because bitter old politics, tradition, and control have not helped it all. Irrelevancy and desparation practically are.

I mean, you can’t make everyone happy…but at this level, nothing over the last 30+ years has really made anyone elated. And that’s just awful stewardship.

(08-26-2021 05:13 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 04:55 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 04:22 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Just as I suspected, the alliance was partly to kill the playoff and protect the Bowls. It has less to do with the Big 12 surviving as an entity, and more to do with the schedules just not being conducive for student athletes, coaches, and fans.

The PAC, B1G, and ACC didn't even have representation when Swofford, Sankey, and Bowlsby pulled that 12-team format out of their asses. It was going to run into serious opposition from the "alliance" conferences. I know it sucks for Go5 teams, but it should NOT be surprising, for all the reasons I've previously discussed.

This makes Sankey a genius. Actually, he had a lot of help by ESPiN.

Sankey a genius for pulling off OU/UT… no sure how he’s a genius for drawing up what will be a failed playoff proposal. I mean he killed his own proposal by expanding with OU/UT.

Was he supposed to say no to UT/OU?