(09-22-2021 01:31 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  MWC teams already decided once (during a meeting at the airport) they didn't want to be in a conference with Rice or UTEP. Maybe something has changed but I doubt it (at least WRT Rice).

sort of true, sort of not-true.

The teams that broke away after the Airport Meeting:

BYU
UTAH
COLORADO STATE
AIR FORCE
UNLV
NEW MEXICO
SAN DIEGO STATE
WYOMING

The teams that would be looking at Texas-based expansion if the AAC lures AFA and CSU to jump:

HAWAII
FRESNO STATE
SAN JOSE STATE
NEVADA
BOISE STATE
UTAH STATE
UNLV
NEW MEXICO
SAN DIEGO STATE
WYOMING

So yeah there is some overlap. But it’s not the same group overall. And besides, UNLV and New Mexico were not steering the ship in the first place. They were along for the ride and thankful to be included. It was UU/BYU/AFA that mainly made the decisions.

Did a quick check of raw number for 2013 and 2014 (put time played for Boise)
Boise vs G5

vs Air Force 2 million espn
vs Fresno State 2.1 million espn
vs S. Miss 329K espnu
vs BYU 1.97 million espn
vs Wyoming 603k espn2
vs New Mexico 4536k espn2

Marshall
vs Ohio 86k espnnews
vs Middle 91k FS1
VS Tulsa 150K FS1
VS Rice 449K espn2 cusa championship game

2014
Marshall
vs FAU 137K FSI
VS Western 463k fsi
vs Tech 725k espn2 cusa championship

Boise
vs Fresno St 1.5 million cbs MW championship
vs Utah State 427k espn2 (10pm)
vs Wyoming 556k espn2 (10 pm)
vs SDSU 443k espnu (11pm)
vs BYU 1.02 million espn (10 pm)
vs Fresno St 1.62 million espn (8pm)
vs Colorado St 686k espn2 (10pm)
vs

(09-22-2021 11:21 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  While CBSSN TV is clearly tier 1 and the most important paying partner of CUSA. Do you have a link that shows the picking order after that? Maybe they also get to choose their FB games before anyone else but maybe not. That's the link I'm asking for...

common sense would say TV games (Stadium)would get 2nd pick before any facebook streams. But then again common sense and money dont go hand in hand.

You're not going to find exactly what you're looking for, but the press release for the television partners that says CBS Sports is the primary rightsholder also says:
"CBS Sports also has reached an innovative deal with Facebook to sublicense and produce select C-USA football and basketball games that will broadcast exclusively on Facebook. The agreement allows for three football games and six basketball games per year to air on Facebook. The games will be a CBS Sports production, with CBS Sports announcers, graphics and branding."

sublicense
: a license granted to a third party by a licensee, extending some rights or privileges that the licensee enjoys.

This would mean Facebook, as the third party, would enjoy any residual privileges of CBS Sports as the primary rightsholder.

Thus the order would be:
CBS Sports
CBS Sports on Facebook
Stadium
Stadium on Facebook
ESPN+

No idea what it looked like when we had NFL Network, beIN, etc. but that is what it should look like now. I hope this helps.

(09-22-2021 02:23 PM)owlumni Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:21 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  While CBSSN TV is clearly tier 1 and the most important paying partner of CUSA. Do you have a link that shows the picking order after that? Maybe they also get to choose their FB games before anyone else but maybe not. That's the link I'm asking for...

common sense would say TV games (Stadium)would get 2nd pick before any facebook streams. But then again common sense and money dont go hand in hand.

You're not going to find exactly what you're looking for, but the press release for the television partners that says CBS Sports is the primary rightsholder also says:
"CBS Sports also has reached an innovative deal with Facebook to sublicense and produce select C-USA football and basketball games that will broadcast exclusively on Facebook. The agreement allows for three football games and six basketball games per year to air on Facebook. The games will be a CBS Sports production, with CBS Sports announcers, graphics and branding."

sublicense
: a license granted to a third party by a licensee, extending some rights or privileges that the licensee enjoys.

This would mean Facebook, as the third party, would enjoy any residual privileges of CBS Sports as the primary rightsholder.

Thus the order would be:
CBS Sports
CBS Sports on Facebook
Stadium
Stadium on Facebook
ESPN+

No idea what it looked like when we had NFL Network, beIN, etc. but that is what it should look like now. I hope this helps.

Thanks and thanks again for typing it out (no copy and paste on that doc) I take the easier route ...capture . Lot easier when people put links into the topic and it takes the post into fact rather than opinion.

(09-22-2021 01:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 12:57 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:21 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 10:41 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:48 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  And we don't have a Boise St in this conference, only a school or two that delude themselves into thinking they are.

Yeah, you can think that if you want, but when you look at the amount of games selected by the media outlets then you will see the truth.

Do you honestly think Marshall is even close to that level in CUSA? Lets not forget CBSSN also carries CUSA basketball. I know over the past few years CBSSN picks for TV, no one in this conference is close to Western in the number of basketball games.

While CBSSN TV is clearly tier 1 and the most important paying partner of CUSA. Do you have a link that shows the picking order after that? Maybe they also get to choose their FB games before anyone else but maybe not. That's the link I'm asking for...

common sense would say TV games (Stadium)would get 2nd pick before any facebook streams. But then again common sense and money dont go hand in hand.

In my opinion its really not the "Brand" its the fact Marshall has been picked 1st in most pre-seasons and the same goes for Western's basketball. That's usually the case for Boise St also but they are also usually ranked which carries the name nationally and that adds DOLLARS to their name. Not the case for Marshall or Western.

Yeah...and WKU is by far the most valuable basketball brand in the conference. That is not debatable and once again proven by exactly what you have stated above.

CBS Sports gets first picks period. Facebook games are chosen before Stadium just as Stadium games are chosen before ESPN+.

Yes, I do believe Marshall is by far the most valuable football brand and that is proven the same way it's proven that WKU is the most valuable basketball brand. We can all sit here and try to debate, but the tv executives who actually make their money based off of the selections tell us all we need to know.

As for Boise, Marshall has better TV ratings than Boise so if you think so highly of their brand value then I will take that as a compliment as a Marshall fan.

Once again I'm going to ask you for the link? I'm not saying that's not correct but I havent searched for the contract that states that. I assume (from repeatedly said on this board) you or another Marshall fan has and can link it.

Rating can be viewed in different ways. A game being played in the western time zone can have lower number of viewers and still be more valuable than a game shown in the east.

Its one reason espn got behind Zags in basketball and helped to build them into what they are today. If they played in the east espn would not have had the need to do just that. But the west has a lot less "names" and at that time those "names" were sucking it up. So espn needed to fill that void and they did that by paying the Zags for made for TV games.

Without cherry picking games do you care to list the ratings for in season games and their ratings. Comparably on the same network and time. Other words bowl games ratings are subject when they are played. If you day on a day when that bowl game is the only one played and its at a time most fans are off work. The ratings will be higher than if 2 or 3 games are shown that day. Or if the game was mid week and played at 2pm in the afternoon.

Factors being the same matters because if team A is playing on on espn and team B is playing on espn2. The game shown on espn will usually have double the rating and the same goes for espn2 compared to the U. You can carry that over to Fox compared to FS1 and FS2 is their U.

That's what I want to see...data and linked. As many times as this has been repeated surely a Marshall fan has this info and broke it down. I did look over the ratings going back to 2012 https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

The highest rated Marshall in season football game was 463K and that was 2014 Western vs Marshall. Without checking and I havent I believe I could find 10+ Boise St in season games that would double that number.

Weird...off the top of my head we had 980k viewers for our FCS game against EKU last year so your numbers are....well....completely wrong.

(09-22-2021 02:23 PM)owlumni Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:21 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  While CBSSN TV is clearly tier 1 and the most important paying partner of CUSA. Do you have a link that shows the picking order after that? Maybe they also get to choose their FB games before anyone else but maybe not. That's the link I'm asking for...

common sense would say TV games (Stadium)would get 2nd pick before any facebook streams. But then again common sense and money dont go hand in hand.

You're not going to find exactly what you're looking for, but the press release for the television partners that says CBS Sports is the primary rightsholder also says:
"CBS Sports also has reached an innovative deal with Facebook to sublicense and produce select C-USA football and basketball games that will broadcast exclusively on Facebook. The agreement allows for three football games and six basketball games per year to air on Facebook. The games will be a CBS Sports production, with CBS Sports announcers, graphics and branding."

sublicense
: a license granted to a third party by a licensee, extending some rights or privileges that the licensee enjoys.

This would mean Facebook, as the third party, would enjoy any residual privileges of CBS Sports as the primary rightsholder.

Thus the order would be:
CBS Sports
CBS Sports on Facebook
Stadium
Stadium on Facebook
ESPN+

No idea what it looked like when we had NFL Network, beIN, etc. but that is what it should look like now. I hope this helps.

Thank you for this info. My original point stands...Marshall is by far the most valuable football brand. You don't have to like it, but you can't dispute it.

(09-22-2021 01:51 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 01:31 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  MWC teams already decided once (during a meeting at the airport) they didn't want to be in a conference with Rice or UTEP. Maybe something has changed but I doubt it (at least WRT Rice).

sort of true, sort of not-true.

The teams that broke away after the Airport Meeting:

BYU
UTAH
COLORADO STATE
AIR FORCE
UNLV
NEW MEXICO
SAN DIEGO STATE
WYOMING

The teams that would be looking at Texas-based expansion if the AAC lures AFA and CSU to jump:

HAWAII
FRESNO STATE
SAN JOSE STATE
NEVADA
BOISE STATE
UTAH STATE
UNLV
NEW MEXICO
SAN DIEGO STATE
WYOMING

So yeah there is some overlap. But it’s not the same group overall. And besides, UNLV and New Mexico were not steering the ship in the first place. They were along for the ride and thankful to be included. It was UU/BYU/AFA that mainly made the decisions.

Yeah- that's true. I have a feeling it was led heavily back then by BYU, Utah, and Air Force. Thanks for the correction. I have more hope than before

I hope all the West schools find western homes. No kidding. No put-downs. It is just what would be best for everyone.

https://twitter.com/CFBHeather/status/14...3861746696

Heather Dinich
@CFBHeather

AAC commish Mike Aresco told me there are still a lot of issues they have to work though, but he still thinks they can wind up at 12. "There clearly are questions being asked and you have to resolve them," he said. The commissioners will meet again next week in Chicago.

https://twitter.com/CFBHeather/status/14...8412032007
Heather Dinich
@CFBHeather

I'm told a vote on expansion will NOT take place next week.

(09-22-2021 05:17 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  https://twitter.com/CFBHeather/status/14...3861746696

Heather Dinich
@CFBHeather

AAC commish Mike Aresco told me there are still a lot of issues they have to work though, but he still thinks they can wind up at 12. "There clearly are questions being asked and you have to resolve them," he said. The commissioners will meet again next week in Chicago.

https://twitter.com/CFBHeather/status/14...8412032007
Heather Dinich
@CFBHeather

I'm told a vote on expansion will NOT take place next week.

Is this in regards to playoff expansion?

(09-22-2021 05:47 PM)XYZ Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 05:17 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  https://twitter.com/CFBHeather/status/14...3861746696

Heather Dinich
@CFBHeather

AAC commish Mike Aresco told me there are still a lot of issues they have to work though, but he still thinks they can wind up at 12. "There clearly are questions being asked and you have to resolve them," he said. The commissioners will meet again next week in Chicago.

https://twitter.com/CFBHeather/status/14...8412032007
Heather Dinich
@CFBHeather

I'm told a vote on expansion will NOT take place next week.

Is this in regards to playoff expansion?

Yes, this is the CFP Committee meeting in Chicago to discuss expanding the current format to 12 teams.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eam-format

clt says Judy better leave soon in her little jeep

HiddenDragon Wrote:I'm revisiting this idea. Just play along for a minute. If the MWC loses AFA and CSU and for some mysterious reason the AAC decides to stay put at 10 teams then I would think the MWC has to get pretty creative to counter the AAC move. Soooooo................

Pacific Division
UNLV
San Jose St
Frenso St
SDSU
Nevada

Mountain Division
Boise St
Wyoming
Utah St.
UTSA
UTEP/UNT

East Division
App St
UAB
Marshall
Liberty
Coastal Carolina

Feel free to interject, replace, or move teams around.

If the AAC takes Air Force and Colorado State, then the Mountain West would very likely take North Texas and Texas-San Antonio from Conference USA....

UNLESS, in the AAC's expansion they also add UAB and UTSA, which is incredibly likely.

In this case the Mountain West would very likely take North Texas and Texas-El Paso.

This leaves Rice as the only CUSA school in Texas, which isn't horrible. Rice could get to Western Kentucky in the same amount of time it would take them to get to UTEP.

Best outcome for CUSA is that the AAC somehow snags four from the Mountain West. Losing also Wyoming and Utah State or New Mexico would be a devastating blow to the Mountain West even with keeping Boise, San Diego State, and Fresno. The geographical map of the MWC becomes uglier than CUSA. In this scenario the Mountain West could take all four CUSA Texas schools, but the more likely outcome would be the three western-most Texas schools (leaving Rice in CUSA) and picking up New Mexico State.

In this scenario UAB remains in Conference USA and travel to west Texas is gone meaning Southern Miss and Marshall will likely stay in the conference so long as a better TV deal can be accomplished that eclipses the Sun Belt's.

Taking a page out of the Sun Belt's book, Conference USA could stay at 10 and allow larger media distributions to go to what they have left or they could add Liberty and James Madison as long as the value those schools bring can justify their additions.