(09-21-2021 03:41 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 01:29 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 10:10 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 09:34 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 09:27 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Yeah, I thought the Sun Belt could rebrand as the Southwest conference.

If UNT leaves for either the MWC or AAC, than y'all can do what you want, but until then, I vote "No".

Also, C-USA is headquartered in Texas. And with Rice, UTEP, and Southern Miss, the western group would have a better claim to the C-USA name.

Yep. The Mountain West absolutely has their eyes on North Texas. Should CSU-Fort Collins and Air Force go AAC, and I can practically assure you that they will, North Texas will be invited.

And correct on the conference names. Riley's Texas-centric division would likely carry the Conference USA name since it's headquartered in Dallas, while Sun Belt Conference, which is headquartered in New Orleans, would hold on to the Sun Belt Conference name.

Funny thing is, I've heard Air Force and CSU are almost certainly NOT going to the MWC.

Aren't they already there?

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They sure are.

(09-21-2021 08:39 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 11:21 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The problem with this split is the West gets more deadweight teams. The East just has FIU that seems stuck down.

Not our problem. Just "Step it Up" on the field.

If you need our votes to make it happen, it is.

(09-18-2021 09:22 AM)rileylives Wrote:  What do you say? Vote yes or no.

New Sun Belt:
UTEP
UTSA
Rice
UNT
Texas State
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana Monroe
Southern Miss
Troy
stAte
USA

New CUSA:
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
Charlotte
ODU
FIU
Liberty
JMU
App State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina

Wow, I LOVE the New Conference USA. It's like a dream conference as a Liberty fan.

(09-21-2021 08:30 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  No to Arkansas State. They are the most delusional, hateful, evil fans. Y'all have never been conference mates with that nutty bunch. 2 generations ago (back when my granddaddy was still a-livin'), we were conference mates with them, and i'm a-tellin ya, we have LONNNNNNNG memories at La Tech. Why, I remember back in 1971, an Arkansas State fan whistled at my cousin's girlfriend at a game up in Jonesboro. Yep, it was an ARKANSAS STATE FAN. And no Tech fan can ever forget that beench-clearin' brawl in 1983. They were so mean and hateful to our glorious boys in Blue and Red...no sir, I'll never forget. Yep, them memories run lonnnnnng at LaTech.

And if that isn't enough, they'll be over here in about 3,2,1 to remind us of that beatin' we gave 'em in the NOLA bowl. These people are the spawn of satan. NO. TO. ARKANSAS STATE.

4-EVER. AMEN.

I give you plus 2 because you managed to make someone think it was real.

Despite how amused I get with BB&B on a daily basis, I don't really have major issues with Tech outside of the way they treat the other Louisiana schools. But that's more of a position of having seen the way Arkansas treats us, and concern that you guys might do the same thing if we ended up in a league together.

I don't think we'll end up together because I don't believe we'd agree to move unless you guys agreed to take ULL as well, but that's about it.

(09-21-2021 04:45 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:39 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 11:21 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The problem with this split is the West gets more deadweight teams. The East just has FIU that seems stuck down.

Not our problem. Just "Step it Up" on the field.

If you need our votes to make it happen, it is.

And ultimately this is why geographic realignment is a non starter. The West schools are far more divided and aren't likely to agree to give up Eastern opponents for other Western ones.

Except maybe the Texas schools. That's a special case.

(09-21-2021 10:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 04:45 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:39 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 11:21 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The problem with this split is the West gets more deadweight teams. The East just has FIU that seems stuck down.

Not our problem. Just "Step it Up" on the field.

If you need our votes to make it happen, it is.

And ultimately this is why geographic realignment is a non starter. The West schools are far more divided and aren't likely to agree to give up Eastern opponents for other Western ones.

Except maybe the Texas schools. That's a special case.

I think the school's out west fail to recognize the level of motivation that the eastern based teams have in a realignment.

I don't think it's going to matter how you feel or how you vote one way or the other western teams, if it's going to happen it's going to happen. You're either going to get left in the wake, or you can get on the bus. It seems like since we started this conversation, more western teams could be added to the Mountain West, so that pool could get closed.

No matter what we think, dramatic change is going to happen, I don't think it's going to be as simple as one or two teams joining from one conference to the other. I think a massive shift is about to happen.

CUSA could lose the following teams

AAC (add Colorado State, Air Force, UAB and Army)
UAB

Mountain West (with Boise State and San Diego State to Big 12)
Rice
UTEP
North Texas
UTSA

That leaves the following pool of schools in CUSA
Marshall
FAU
FIU
ODU
Charlotte
WKU
MTSU
La Tech
Southern Miss

If Army says "no thanks" to the AAC, I think they go with FAU. That leaves...

Marshall
FIU
ODU
Charlotte
WKU
MTSU
La Tech
Southern Miss

I think at that point, the most boring scenario occurs where we just add Liberty and JMU, creating this 10 team conference and moving along....

Marshall
FIU
ODU
Charlotte
WKU
MTSU
La Tech
Southern Miss
Liberty
JMU

(09-22-2021 07:05 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 10:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 04:45 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:39 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 11:21 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The problem with this split is the West gets more deadweight teams. The East just has FIU that seems stuck down.

Not our problem. Just "Step it Up" on the field.

If you need our votes to make it happen, it is.

And ultimately this is why geographic realignment is a non starter. The West schools are far more divided and aren't likely to agree to give up Eastern opponents for other Western ones.

Except maybe the Texas schools. That's a special case.

I think the school's out west fail to recognize the level of motivation that the eastern based teams have in a realignment.

I don't think it's going to matter how you feel or how you vote one way or the other western teams, if it's going to happen it's going to happen. You're either going to get left in the wake, or you can get on the bus. It seems like since we started this conversation, more western teams could be added to the Mountain West, so that pool could get closed.

No matter what we think, dramatic change is going to happen, I don't think it's going to be as simple as one or two teams joining from one conference to the other. I think a massive shift is about to happen.

If it isn't mutual, then the Sunbelt and C-USA schools that don't leave get your Exit fees. Then we could either vote to disband and reform into a new conference (leaving out those we don't want) or one side could add a few from the other. I like most teams in both sides, but the West is too far flung (UTEP is further from USM and UAB than any school in the East is from us) and has some teams that don't fit or don't compete at all.

(09-21-2021 10:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 04:45 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:39 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 11:21 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The problem with this split is the West gets more deadweight teams. The East just has FIU that seems stuck down.

Not our problem. Just "Step it Up" on the field.

If you need our votes to make it happen, it is.

And ultimately this is why geographic realignment is a non starter. The West schools are far more divided and aren't likely to agree to give up Eastern opponents for other Western ones.

Except maybe the Texas schools. That's a special case.

SoMiss used to be in the Eastern Division and I know Marshall fans wish they still were.

(09-22-2021 07:05 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 10:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 04:45 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:39 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 11:21 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The problem with this split is the West gets more deadweight teams. The East just has FIU that seems stuck down.

Not our problem. Just "Step it Up" on the field.

If you need our votes to make it happen, it is.

And ultimately this is why geographic realignment is a non starter. The West schools are far more divided and aren't likely to agree to give up Eastern opponents for other Western ones.

Except maybe the Texas schools. That's a special case.

I think the school's out west fail to recognize the level of motivation that the eastern based teams have in a realignment.

I don't think it's going to matter how you feel or how you vote one way or the other western teams, if it's going to happen it's going to happen. You're either going to get left in the wake, or you can get on the bus. It seems like since we started this conversation, more western teams could be added to the Mountain West, so that pool could get closed.

No matter what we think, dramatic change is going to happen, I don't think it's going to be as simple as one or two teams joining from one conference to the other. I think a massive shift is about to happen.

Marshall and App have the power to push this if we really want to. I hope we both want to. A combined Eastern based G5 would easily compete for the best G5 conference.

Marshall joining the SBC is no where near as good as us all just forming a new conference with CUSA East, Sun Belt East (minus Troy) and maybe a few others.

(09-22-2021 07:05 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 10:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 04:45 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:39 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 11:21 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The problem with this split is the West gets more deadweight teams. The East just has FIU that seems stuck down.

Not our problem. Just "Step it Up" on the field.

If you need our votes to make it happen, it is.

And ultimately this is why geographic realignment is a non starter. The West schools are far more divided and aren't likely to agree to give up Eastern opponents for other Western ones.

Except maybe the Texas schools. That's a special case.

I think the school's out west fail to recognize the level of motivation that the eastern based teams have in a realignment.

I don't think it's going to matter how you feel or how you vote one way or the other western teams, if it's going to happen it's going to happen. You're either going to get left in the wake, or you can get on the bus. It seems like since we started this conversation, more western teams could be added to the Mountain West, so that pool could get closed.

No matter what we think, dramatic change is going to happen, I don't think it's going to be as simple as one or two teams joining from one conference to the other. I think a massive shift is about to happen.

Right, but what those of us out West know is that you can't create a new conference from scratch to get accepted into the FBS Playoff deal. You have to create a conference that has at least 7 current members from an original FBS conference. So for it to work, Marshall would need to have the entire CUSA East agree to move as well, and then pick up 5 SBC East schools. Considering UAB is AAC Bound, you'd have to grab at least one CUSA school. But doing that, you'd still be locked into the CUSA's awful media deal until the contract expired.

Unless you get that to happen, then you must have an agreement from the Western schools to do it. And even if that happened, its likely that the SBC West plus Troy proceeds separately from the CUSA West outside of maybe picking up USM and Tech if they want it. Which forces the Texas schools onto an island by themselves.

(09-23-2021 08:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:05 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 10:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 04:45 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:39 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  Not our problem. Just "Step it Up" on the field.

If you need our votes to make it happen, it is.

And ultimately this is why geographic realignment is a non starter. The West schools are far more divided and aren't likely to agree to give up Eastern opponents for other Western ones.

Except maybe the Texas schools. That's a special case.

I think the school's out west fail to recognize the level of motivation that the eastern based teams have in a realignment.

I don't think it's going to matter how you feel or how you vote one way or the other western teams, if it's going to happen it's going to happen. You're either going to get left in the wake, or you can get on the bus. It seems like since we started this conversation, more western teams could be added to the Mountain West, so that pool could get closed.

No matter what we think, dramatic change is going to happen, I don't think it's going to be as simple as one or two teams joining from one conference to the other. I think a massive shift is about to happen.

Right, but what those of us out West know is that you can't create a new conference from scratch to get accepted into the FBS Playoff deal. You have to create a conference that has at least 7 current members from an original FBS conference. So for it to work, Marshall would need to have the entire CUSA East agree to move as well, and then pick up 5 SBC East schools. Considering UAB is AAC Bound, you'd have to grab at least one CUSA school. But doing that, you'd still be locked into the CUSA's awful media deal until the contract expired.

Unless you get that to happen, then you must have an agreement from the Western schools to do it. And even if that happened, its likely that the SBC West plus Troy proceeds separately from the CUSA West outside of maybe picking up USM and Tech if they want it. Which forces the Texas schools onto an island by themselves.

The other problem is, with the new SEC deal, i'm not sure ESPN has enough time slots available to offer another conference a TV deal that isn't streaming only. I actually like ESPN+ as long as the school puts in minimal investment in making a decent product (looking at GA State), but I don't think a streaming only deal would be a lot of $$$ at this time. This is why they are just trying to pick off the valuable properties from MWC and CUSA IMO.

(09-23-2021 09:02 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:05 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 10:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 04:45 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  If you need our votes to make it happen, it is.

And ultimately this is why geographic realignment is a non starter. The West schools are far more divided and aren't likely to agree to give up Eastern opponents for other Western ones.

Except maybe the Texas schools. That's a special case.

I think the school's out west fail to recognize the level of motivation that the eastern based teams have in a realignment.

I don't think it's going to matter how you feel or how you vote one way or the other western teams, if it's going to happen it's going to happen. You're either going to get left in the wake, or you can get on the bus. It seems like since we started this conversation, more western teams could be added to the Mountain West, so that pool could get closed.

No matter what we think, dramatic change is going to happen, I don't think it's going to be as simple as one or two teams joining from one conference to the other. I think a massive shift is about to happen.

Right, but what those of us out West know is that you can't create a new conference from scratch to get accepted into the FBS Playoff deal. You have to create a conference that has at least 7 current members from an original FBS conference. So for it to work, Marshall would need to have the entire CUSA East agree to move as well, and then pick up 5 SBC East schools. Considering UAB is AAC Bound, you'd have to grab at least one CUSA school. But doing that, you'd still be locked into the CUSA's awful media deal until the contract expired.

Unless you get that to happen, then you must have an agreement from the Western schools to do it. And even if that happened, its likely that the SBC West plus Troy proceeds separately from the CUSA West outside of maybe picking up USM and Tech if they want it. Which forces the Texas schools onto an island by themselves.

The other problem is, with the new SEC deal, i'm not sure ESPN has enough time slots available to offer another conference a TV deal that isn't streaming only. I actually like ESPN+ as long as the school puts in minimal investment in making a decent product (looking at GA State), but I don't think a streaming only deal would be a lot of $$$ at this time. This is why they are just trying to pick off the valuable properties from MWC and CUSA IMO.

This is a big 3rd factor that gets missed. We have a better TV deal than the MAC by far, and their deal is almost entirely ESPN Plus except for Midweek November MACtion, where a few schools actually play on ESPN Plus on a Wednesday Night.

Its not just about creating a league, its about TV inventory so there are legitimate TV slots for that league outside of Saturday's on Stadium.

I'm sure the new conference could just take over the time slots of the current SBC deal considering the most valuable SBC programs would be in the new conference.

(09-23-2021 10:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I'm sure the new conference could just take over the time slots of the current SBC deal considering the most valuable SBC programs would be in the new conference.

i'm sure the SBC West teams would just give up their valueable ESPN contract because you said so.

(09-23-2021 10:43 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 10:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I'm sure the new conference could just take over the time slots of the current SBC deal considering the most valuable SBC programs would be in the new conference.

i'm sure the SBC West teams would just give up their valueable ESPN contract because you said so.

Exactly. And that’s just one of the issues.

I mean there is nothing more that I would like than a total shakeup of the entire G5, including the AAC, to form a totally new ‘best of’ conference. But since that is extremely unlikely at this point, the next best option (assuming UAB is going to the AAC) would be for Marshall and USM to join the SBC (better rivals/travel partners, better media deal, better leadership, etc.). Win win for all involved.

And while I know Marshall is the undisputed football ‘flagship’ of cusa that still does not give them enough clout to start a new east/west conf with just SBC & Cusa, so to think otherwise is pure folly.

clt learned a new word today "valueable"

(09-23-2021 10:43 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 10:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I'm sure the new conference could just take over the time slots of the current SBC deal considering the most valuable SBC programs would be in the new conference.

i'm sure the SBC West teams would just give up their valueable ESPN contract because you said so.

They don't have a say so in whether the Eastern teams form a new conference or not. You can play peace maker and PRETEND you would rather play ULM and Texas State but we all know you would rather be in a conference with Marshall/ODU/WKU/Charlotte etc.

(09-23-2021 12:24 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt learned a new word today "valueable"

We will see how VALUABLE that creek is after I take a leak in it on our next trip down there.