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https://bboc.sounder.fm/episode/sourceswk52021

still wild; not trying to discredit either programs but it seems like such a rash/random grab ("like hey we can't get boise and SDSU, lets go wiiiiittttthhhhh.....CSU and AF-Why not?"

Good adds. Not great but good, I like both.

The context I get from the show would make this more of a McMurphy "hot take" than a actual news story---but it is note worthy he thinks that.

(09-28-2021 11:02 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  still wild; not trying to discredit either programs but it seems like such a rash/random grab ("like hey we can't get boise and SDSU, lets go wiiiiittttthhhhh.....CSU and AF-Why not?"

Isn’t the assumption that the AAC can go get Boise and another school if and when Big XII formally nixes any further expansion, post-Texas and OU? I don’t see why Boise would jump to the AAC now, and pay the attendant exit fees, if it’s goal is still to try and move to the Big XII in a few years. If the AAC just adds AFA, CSU, Rice and UAB now, and the Big XII does expand again and it loses Memphis, they can just grab UTSA.

West: AFA, CSU, Tulsa, SMU, UTSA, Navy
East: Rice, Tulane, UAB, USF, ECU, Temple

Very casual. This one is strange. We are not getting any local chatter, it's all from guys like Dodd and McMurphy. Normally you have some local reporters connected with the athletic department putting out the case for the move, or leaking it. But it's dead quiet in Colorado. And what I can find is only commentaries against such a move by Colorado State (not much interest either way for Air Force). There is no chatter from other conferences either, which strongly points to an all sports invite for both.

CSU is having it's regular regents meeting today and tomorrow; the agenda has nothing on it about athletics. That would be a good place for a reporter to pick up some gossip, or at least a strategically worded "no comment," or if it's not true a "nothing is going on" remark. Maybe in one of the closed executive sessions tomorrow they make the decision to proceed or not. Perhaps that is what McMurphy's source is referring to.

This is very different from the leaks out of CUSA about the negotiations with UAB, and the reports of FAU being a strong candidate and UTSA people thinking they are going to get the call (when you think you are getting the call it sometimes means you aren't, that you are the back up).

The smoke is building for CSU, AF plus two from UAB, FAU, UTSA.

(09-28-2021 11:02 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  still wild; not trying to discredit either programs but it seems like such a rash/random grab ("like hey we can't get boise and SDSU, lets go wiiiiittttthhhhh.....CSU and AF-Why not?"

I think CSU and AF are looking a couple moves ahead. What happens to the MWC if it loses SDSU and Boise St? Is what's left a league they want to be in?

I think it is inevitable that the PAC loses it's top schools to the B1G. SDSU and Boise St. are natural replacements in their footprint. Would the PAC want 3 Colorado teams? I'd say no.

I would describe AF and CSU to the AAC as Getting While the Getting's Good.

(09-28-2021 11:02 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  still wild; not trying to discredit either programs but it seems like such a rash/random grab ("like hey we can't get boise and SDSU, lets go wiiiiittttthhhhh.....CSU and AF-Why not?"

I'd still say it's in the "if" and not yet "when" stage, but as for why...

AAC wouldn't get Boise State, but they would win the media spin just by taking any teams out of the MWC. That seems to be their motivation, along with the AAC schools thinking the available teams in eastern conferences are not worthy of the AAC.

CSU would be doing something completely different to try and get sports fans in Colorado to care about their teams, and who knows, maybe they think it would help recruit students from eastern states.

AFA would get to be in the same conference as Navy. Maybe they feel like that would raise their profile, given that AFA has always been the third wheel in the rivalry between service academies.

(09-28-2021 11:19 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Very casual. This one is strange. We are not getting any local chatter, it's all from guys like Dodd and McMurphy. Normally you have some local reporters connected with the athletic department putting out the case for the move, or leaking it. But it's dead quiet in Colorado. And what I can find is only commentaries against such a move by Colorado State (not much interest either way for Air Force). There is no chatter from other conferences either, which strongly points to an all sports invite for both.

CSU is having it's regular regents meeting today and tomorrow; the agenda has nothing on it about athletics. That would be a good place for a reporter to pick up some gossip, or at least a strategically worded "no comment," or if it's not true a "nothing is going on" remark. Maybe in one of the closed executive sessions tomorrow they make the decision to proceed or not. Perhaps that is what McMurphy's source is referring to.

This is very different from the leaks out of CUSA about the negotiations with UAB, and the reports of FAU being a strong candidate and UTSA people thinking they are going to get the call (when you think you are getting the call it sometimes means you aren't, that you are the back up).

The smoke is building for CSU, AF plus two from UAB, FAU, UTSA.

Denver paper had an article a couple days ago on the speculation and whether it would be a good idea or not for CSU and AF to move.

(09-28-2021 11:22 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:02 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  still wild; not trying to discredit either programs but it seems like such a rash/random grab ("like hey we can't get boise and SDSU, lets go wiiiiittttthhhhh.....CSU and AF-Why not?"

I think CSU and AF are looking a couple moves ahead. What happens to the MWC if it loses SDSU and Boise St? Is what's left a league they want to be in?

I think it is inevitable that the PAC loses it's top schools to the B1G. SDSU and Boise St. are natural replacements in their footprint. Would the PAC want 3 Colorado teams? I'd say no.

I would describe AF and CSU to the AAC as Getting While the Getting's Good.

I disagree that it is inevitable that the Pac loses schools to the B1G.

And CSU and AFA aren't good fits for the AAC.

And the Big 12 going Coast-to-Coast with Boise, SDSU, UCF and Temple would be nuts, imho.

(09-28-2021 11:23 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:02 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  still wild; not trying to discredit either programs but it seems like such a rash/random grab ("like hey we can't get boise and SDSU, lets go wiiiiittttthhhhh.....CSU and AF-Why not?"

I'd still say it's in the "if" and not yet "when" stage, but as for why...

AAC wouldn't get Boise State, but they would win the media spin just by taking any teams out of the MWC. That seems to be their motivation, along with the AAC schools thinking the available teams in eastern conferences are not worthy of the AAC.

CSU would be doing something completely different to try and get sports fans in Colorado to care about their teams, and who knows, maybe they think it would help recruit students from eastern states.

AFA would get to be in the same conference as Navy. Maybe they feel like that would raise their profile, given that AFA has always been the third wheel in the rivalry between service academies.

I think this seems to be moving a lot closer to when then if. You got Aresco saying additions will happen in weeks and not months, multiple national reporters with legit connections saying it, and not a single source coming out and saying there's nothing to this. Even Thompson during his hit piece wasn't saying no one would leave, he was trying to argue no one should leave while admitting they are looking at plans if they drop to 10.

To me why not go for Air Force and UAB only, I am not getting why two other team are a must. 10 seems more money and I don't see the CSU and another CUSA team helping with the espn contract.

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  To me why not go for Air Force and UAB only, I am not getting why two other team are a must. 10 seems more money and I don't see the CSU and another CUSA team helping with the espn contract.

I think AF and CSU are tied together, with the exception of a P5 invite. AF and CSU like to keep the rivalry.

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  To me why not go for Air Force and UAB only, I am not getting why two other team are a must. 10 seems more money and I don't see the CSU and another CUSA team helping with the espn contract.

Nothing says upgrade like a perennial 300+ RPI basketball team

(09-28-2021 11:36 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  To me why not go for Air Force and UAB only, I am not getting why two other team are a must. 10 seems more money and I don't see the CSU and another CUSA team helping with the espn contract.

Nothing says upgrade like a perennial 300+ RPI basketball team

Nothing says AAC derangement syndrome like insisting the AAC could never add any MWC teams and then when they can switching the argument to 1 of them being awful at hoops. Don't worry the MWC still has multiple recent 300+ RPI teams in SJSU and Wyoming to continue pulling up the rear (and not that I expect them to remain this bad but New Mexico says hi with a 302 NET and 307 RPI last year).

(09-28-2021 11:02 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  still wild; not trying to discredit either programs but it seems like such a rash/random grab ("like hey we can't get boise and SDSU, lets go wiiiiittttthhhhh.....CSU and AF-Why not?"

Actually CSU and AF are better travel wise than most of MWC. I think it is a great get for AAC if true. I have to think TV is telling them we will make it work for you.. IE 5.5 mil or more per year. If Boise isn't coming, I think they have already been told by B12 to just hang on. SD state I don't know about, I think with 2 or 3 others out the door, they would be running for the exit, if that exit is open. Who knows, they may be.

(09-28-2021 11:03 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Good adds. Not great but good, I like both.

This will help the MWC, both programs have won only 40% of their games since being in the MW

(09-28-2021 11:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:36 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  To me why not go for Air Force and UAB only, I am not getting why two other team are a must. 10 seems more money and I don't see the CSU and another CUSA team helping with the espn contract.

Nothing says upgrade like a perennial 300+ RPI basketball team

Nothing says AAC derangement syndrome like insisting the AAC could never add any MWC teams and then when they can switching the argument to 1 of them being awful at hoops. Don't worry the MWC still has multiple recent 300+ RPI teams in SJSU and Wyoming to continue pulling up the rear (and not that I expect them to remain this bad but New Mexico says hi with a 302 NET and 307 RPI last year).

I will believe it when I see it. If they do it, stupid on their part and they will regret it.

SJSU, UNM and Wyoming have had good teams in the recent past - AFA, because of the recruiting limitations (height) is always bad.

As far as AAC derangement, lol. AAC is a fine conference - one of the top two G5. But the only AAC Derangement is those that use P6/G4.

(09-28-2021 11:32 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:23 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:02 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  still wild; not trying to discredit either programs but it seems like such a rash/random grab ("like hey we can't get boise and SDSU, lets go wiiiiittttthhhhh.....CSU and AF-Why not?"

I'd still say it's in the "if" and not yet "when" stage, but as for why...

AAC wouldn't get Boise State, but they would win the media spin just by taking any teams out of the MWC. That seems to be their motivation, along with the AAC schools thinking the available teams in eastern conferences are not worthy of the AAC.

CSU would be doing something completely different to try and get sports fans in Colorado to care about their teams, and who knows, maybe they think it would help recruit students from eastern states.

AFA would get to be in the same conference as Navy. Maybe they feel like that would raise their profile, given that AFA has always been the third wheel in the rivalry between service academies.

I think this seems to be moving a lot closer to when then if. You got Aresco saying additions will happen in weeks and not months, multiple national reporters with legit connections saying it, and not a single source coming out and saying there's nothing to this. Even Thompson during his hit piece wasn't saying no one would leave, he was trying to argue no one should leave while admitting they are looking at plans if they drop to 10.

There's been no "new news" since that, though. If something new becomes public, then we can move from if closer to when.

(09-28-2021 11:02 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  still wild; not trying to discredit either programs but it seems like such a rash/random grab ("like hey we can't get boise and SDSU, lets go wiiiiittttthhhhh.....CSU and AF-Why not?"

Yes, I said I would bow down to Aresco if he was able to get Boise and SDSU - and I will.

But AFA and Colorado State seem like leftovers by comparison.

Would much rather the AAC go east, with schools like App State/Marshall and Georgia State/UAB. Even FAU.

But maybe the move to Dallas HQ has the conference leaders addled by more western schools.